The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Rocketman]

• Base Bojack can beat any version of SS Goten.
• SS Gogeta can beat even SS3 Gotenks.

SS3 Gotenks >>> SS Gogeta

The kids aren't over 8x weaker than their fathers

SS Vegetto effortlessly crushes SS3 Gotenks, tho.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SS Vegetto effortlessly crushes SS3 Gotenks, tho.

Yeah I know, SS Gogeta doesn't tho.

[CatouttaHell]

base Vegetto > SSj3 Gogeta > SSj3 Gotenks > SSj2 Gogeta

Gohan-Boo and Son Goku both agree that the only way for Son and Vegeta to defeat Gohan-Boo is by using Potara. Gogeta was no match for Gohan-Boo.

[Hugo Boss]

The daiz also mentions Gohan didn't lose any power over the 7 years, only no Ssjin 2 rage boosts. So Ssjin Goten = Ssjin CG Kid Gohan in terms of power

Evil Buu punching Trunks was gag... unless you actually think Trunks is now Ssjin 3 Gotenks tier...

Vegeta punching Trunks was gag too, to make Trunks cry and Vegeta promissing a park visit. I don't interpret Daizenshuu's quote that way, so no evidence whatsoever. The manga pretty much depicts Gohan as a shell of his former self, but you could say he has a lot of hidden potential.

It literally says Goten's power isn't the least bit inferior to Gohan's. So saying you don't interpret that way and saying there's no evidence doesn't help your argument.

Vegeta punching Trunks wasn't gag, nothing funny about that scene.

There's really nothing going for Goten and Trunks being weak besides "oh well they're young and didn't train a lot so they're over 10 weaker than goku and vegata"

But there is Goten forcing Gohan into the air and making him sweat. Even if Gohan was a little rusty I doubt it would make him so weak that he struggles with someone multifolds below him.

Unless you have an argument based on statements/feats explaining how Goten and Trunks are over 8x weaker than Goku and Vegeta besides "they're young" than I see no reason to assume they're so weak.

Strangely, if I read Daizenshuu's quotes in their literal meaning I could end up with an equation "No.18 = SS Goten/SS Trunks = SS2 Kid Gohan", which is.. weird.

The point I'm trying to make is that the way you interpret those instances doesn't have to be called evidence, ok? It is up to one recognizing it as being so, maybe I could. My argument is as random/arbitrary/assumptious as yours. Though, I don't see the reason to suggest a versus you already has all evidences to build up your idea. When I suggest so I'm particularly doubtful, as I think you are.

Off topic, I found the scene where Vegeta punchs Trunks specially funny, because Vegeta is not the kind of father who goes to Disney just to redeem himself with his kid, even if that kid is a Super Saiyan. No problem if you don't think that wasn't funny. Also no problem if your numbers don't share the same logic as mine.

Edit: Not to mention SS Gohan was rusty enough to initially have trouble dodging rocks throwed by Base Goten in a 10(?)-meter range.

[Rocketman]

Son Goku ... that the only way for Son and Vegeta to defeat Gohan-Boo is by using Potara.

Because there was no time to teach Vegeta the fusion dance.

[CatouttaHell]

Because there was no time to teach Vegeta the fusion dance.

He could've asked Vegeta if he saw the dance considering Vegeta said he saw SSj3. Or he could've teleported away and taught him on Kaioshinkai. Those are all possibilities.

Him saying Potara is the only way discredits that IMO. Not to mention Gohan-Boo himself saying Gogeta would be no match for him.

[singsing]

Because there was no time to teach Vegeta the fusion dance.

He could've asked Vegeta if he saw the dance considering Vegeta said he saw SSj3. Or he could've teleported away and taught him on Kaioshinkai. Those are all possibilities.

Him saying Potara is the only way discredits that IMO. Not to mention Gohan-Boo himself saying Gogeta would be no match for him.

*Disclaimer* Gogeta literally does not exist, so please stop bringing up the "no contradiction argument" when I bring up other instances of villains saying a hero was no match even while getting rekt. *Disclaimer ends*

Gogeta literally does not exist, no one knows if it would have been true. There have been plenty of other instances in the series where a villain is so drunk in his power and confident and cocky they just say they can beat everyone.

Also, just "seeing" how to do it does not equate to knowing how to do it with a certain other person. You'd still have to practice with said person so you know exactly how to sync up your movements.

[Rocketman]

Because there was no time to teach Vegeta the fusion dance.

He could've asked Vegeta if he saw the dance considering Vegeta said he saw SSj3. Or he could've teleported away and taught him on Kaioshinkai. Those are all possibilities.

A lot of effort, and if you fuck it up at all you're stuck as Veku (and taking Vegeta to the afterlife could be bad), compared to "put the earring on".

Not to mention Gohan-Boo himself saying Gogeta would be no match for him.

He also says Vegetto would never be a match for him.

[CatouttaHell]

A lot of effort, and if you fuck it up at all you're stuck as Veku (and taking Vegeta to the afterlife could be bad), compared to "put the earring on".

Just because there was a chance of failure doesn't mean it wasn't an option. Goten and Trunks could've done some little thing wrong while fusing and fused into Fat Gotenks against Evil Boo.

Son made it clear that Potara was the only option of defeating Gohan-Boo.

He also says Vegetto would never be a match for him.

Oh come the hell on already. We've been over this. One statement Boo made being contradicted doesn't mean they're all false.

Do you think Cyborg 18 > Cyborg 17 because 17 was wrong about being above 16? Do you think Kaioshin is below Freeza because all the proof that he could beat Freeza is him claiming to, since Kaioshin is an idiot?

[Kaboom]

He also says Vegetto would never be a match for him.

Oh come the hell on already. We've been over this. One statement Boo made being contradicted doesn't mean they're all false.

Nobody's claiming they are. But clearly there's enough reason to believe that he's wrong in this case.

Plus, please try not to address people like you're a college professor fed up with trying to explain something to preschoolers, m'kay? If someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're closed-minded or stupid.

[Angelus]

Here's some matches for the evening:

Bido, Bujin, Transformed Zangya, and Kogu VS End of Z SSJ Trunks and Goten
[Two situations: one with Bojack's gang using their thread binding and another without it]

Yakon VS Western Supreme Kai

SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation) VS 5th Form Cooler

King Cold VS Base Goku with Kaioken x20 (Post-healing tank zenkai)
[Kaioken has no strain though. Goku will be wearing Cell Games Armor]

1 former versus:

Spoiler:

22nd WMAT Goku (wearing Saiyan Armor) VS Drum

[RandomGuy96]

Bido, Bujin, Zangya, and Kogu VS End of Z SSJ Trunks and Goten

Yakon VS Western Supreme Kai

SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation) VS 5th Form Cooler

King Cold VS Base Goku with Kaioken x20 (Post-healing tank zenkai)
[Kaioken has no strain though. Goku will be wearing Cell Games Armor]

The Bojack gang. They're in the same general league of strength as the kids, outnumber them two to one, and have those paralysis webs.

West Kaioshin > East Kaioshin > Piccolo [Buu arc] > Piccolo [Cell Games] > Piccolo [Android arc] = Android 17 > 100% Freeza > Yakon >= base Goku [Buu arc]. West Kaioshin murders.

Cooler eviscerates even Mecha arc SS Trunks.

With Kaio-ken, Goku can manage to get to a power level of 60 million. Without strain, he can manage to keep up that power level indefinitely. However, it won't help at all against Cold, who is stated in Daizenshuu 7 to only be moderately weaker than Freeza, which would put him at 100 million or so.

[CatouttaHell]

Nobody's claiming they are. But clearly there's enough reason to believe that he's wrong in this case.

Plus, please try not to address people like you're a college professor fed up with trying to explain something to preschoolers, m'kay? If someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're closed-minded or stupid.

My apologies. I'll try to watch my tone in future posts.

Here's some matches for the evening:

Bido, Bujin, Transformed Zangya, and Kogu VS End of Z SSJ Trunks and Goten
[Two situations: one with Bojack's gang using their thread binding and another without it]

Yakon VS Western Supreme Kai

SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation) VS 5th Form Cooler

King Cold VS Base Goku with Kaioken x20 (Post-healing tank zenkai)
[Kaioken has no strain though. Goku will be wearing Cell Games Armor]

1 former versus:

Spoiler:

22nd WMAT Goku (wearing Saiyan Armor) VS Drum

1. Well Zangya's probably the strongest and a bit above Cell Games SSj Trunks judging by her performance against him. Bido and Bujin had to cover their faces when Cell Games Vegeta flared his aura so I doubt they'd do well against someone of his caliber.

It was never stated that the boys got weaker over the 10 year gap so it's safe to assume they improved. Considering they were on par with SSj Teen Gohan in the Boo arc and then trained in the RoSaT, 10 more years of even light training should make them more than powerful enough to win this IMO.

2. I would assume she's worlds above East Kaioshin... who I currently believe to be >>> Yakon so she'd win easily IMO.

3. No clue.

4. I'd say Cold wins. Never subscribed to King Cold being 50% Freeza level or anywhere near that low personally.

5. Drum unfortunately wins. The 22nd Ten/Drum gap is absolutely colossal so Son won't fare much better even with Saiya-jin Armour on.

[GogesusSSG]

Here's some matches for the evening:

Bido, Bujin, Transformed Zangya, and Kogu VS End of Z SSJ Trunks and Goten
[Two situations: one with Bojack's gang using their thread binding and another without it]

Yakon VS Western Supreme Kai

SSJ Future Trunks (TV Special, first transformation) VS 5th Form Cooler

King Cold VS Base Goku with Kaioken x20 (Post-healing tank zenkai)
[Kaioken has no strain though. Goku will be wearing Cell Games Armor]

1 former versus:

Spoiler:

22nd WMAT Goku (wearing Saiyan Armor) VS Drum

I'd say the Bojack gang win with the thread and lose without it.

I'd say West Kaioshin based East kaioshin stating that they can defeat Freeza in one blow and I doubt Yakon would be capable of the same.

I'd say Cooler I think it's implied Goku got a zenkai from the senzu bean and if that's the case maybe even he would have lost if they fought upon meeting each other instead.

I'd say King Cold based on Freeza think he'd be useful against Goku before arriving on Earth which must put him at least above 50% Freeza.

I'd say Drum what this changes is that he won't put his claws through his chest to kill him but he is still above Goku in every way given how easily he beat Tenshinhan.

As for my own match-ups:

Piccolo vs. Super Saiyan Trunks and Goten (in the Mighty Mask costume) pre ROSAT and post ROSAT.

Majin Vegeta vs. Gohan post Zeta Sword training.

Base Bojack vs. Pre Majin Dabra.

[CatouttaHell]

Piccolo vs. Super Saiyan Trunks and Goten (in the Mighty Mask costume) pre ROSAT and post ROSAT.

Majin Vegeta vs. Gohan post Zeta Sword training.

Base Bojack vs. Pre Majin Dabra.

1. Mighty Mask godstomps. SSj Trunks is about equal to SSj Teen Gohan, who is multi-food Piccolo IMO. The Namekseijin isn't doing anything here.

2. Another godstomp. Even SSj Gohan is implied to be capable of defeating Dai Kaioshin Boo after his Z Sword training. SSj3 Vegeta (Pre-Demon Prince) vs. SSj Gohan (Post) would be a better match IMO.

3. No idea. There's no information on where Dabra was before Babidi possessed him, except that he was the strongest in the Makaioshin Realm or wherever. Just going to assume Dabra would win based on that.....

[Kakacarrottop]

Great Ape Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz vs Tullece (post-fruit)

Mutchy (true form) vs Yakon

Spopovich and Yamu vs King Piccolo and Tambourine

Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga) vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho

Tullece Crusher Corps (minus Tullece) vs Zarbon and Dodoria

Super Buu vs Teenage Bebi (in an absorption battle, not an actual fight since Buu would stomp)

Yamcha (Cell Games Saga) vs Dr. Wheelo

[CatouttaHell]

Great Ape Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz vs Tullece (post-fruit)

Mutchy (true form) vs Yakon

Spopovich and Yamu vs King Piccolo and Tambourine

Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga) vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho

Tullece Crusher Corps (minus Tullece) vs Zarbon and Dodoria

Super Buu vs Teenage Bebi (in an absorption battle, not an actual fight since Buu would stomp)

Yamcha (Cell Games Saga) vs Dr. Wheelo

Winners are bolded. No offence but these are all pretty bad match-ups IMO. All of them are godstomps the way I personally see it.

[Kakacarrottop]

Great Ape Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz vs Tullece (post-fruit)

Mutchy (true form) vs Yakon

Spopovich and Yamu vs King Piccolo and Tambourine

Krillin, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Saga) vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho

Tullece Crusher Corps (minus Tullece) vs Zarbon and Dodoria

Super Buu vs Teenage Bebi (in an absorption battle, not an actual fight since Buu would stomp)

Yamcha (Cell Games Saga) vs Dr. Wheelo

Winners are bolded. No offence but these are all pretty bad match-ups IMO. All of them are godstomps the way I personally see it.

Well i wasn't sure about some of the exact power levels (only very rough estimations) but i am certain Tullece Crusher Corps (not counting Tullece himself) had a combined power level (taken from official sources) of around 40k, while Zarbon and Dodoria both had a power level of around 20k each, so i think that fight wouldn't have been too much of a stomp.

[Cursed Lemon]

Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga

Kid Gohan >= Teen Gohan >= Kid Trunks ~ Goten

Kid Gohan >> CG Goku >> CG Vegeta >= CG F. Trunks

Kid Trunks wins, unless Future Trunks uses 2nd Grade Super Saiyan, then he might win.