"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[KentalSSJ6]

I think that the lower score just means his "arc" will be far shorter. If he's coming after Demigra I don't doubt that they'll hype his power a lot, they have in every other DIMPs game he's appeared in.

A single fight, with some pre-fight dialogue about how he's oh so strong would still fit a 15 point achievement.

To be fair we have no idea how strong Towa, Mira, and Demigra are. We know they are playable but the majority of their strength seems to come from magic and if Demigra is anything like his silhouette hes gonna be a lot like Whis in terms of playstyle.

[Saiga]

I think that the lower score just means his "arc" will be far shorter. If he's coming after Demigra I don't doubt that they'll hype his power a lot, they have in every other DIMPs game he's appeared in.

A single fight, with some pre-fight dialogue about how he's oh so strong would still fit a 15 point achievement.

To be fair we have no idea how strong Towa, Mira, and Demigra are. We know they are playable but the majority of their strength seems to come from magic and if Demigra is anything like his silhouette hes gonna be a lot like Whis in terms of playstyle.

Which isn't really relevant at all here.

I'm just saying that if they're using Broli as a bonus boss, it's probably coming with the usual Broli wank. "He's even stronger than that guy we just beat!" is basically a stock line when Broli's involved with the games.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think that the lower score just means his "arc" will be far shorter. If he's coming after Demigra I don't doubt that they'll hype his power a lot, they have in every other DIMPs game he's appeared in.

A single fight, with some pre-fight dialogue about how he's oh so strong would still fit a 15 point achievement.

To be fair we have no idea how strong Towa, Mira, and Demigra are. We know they are playable but the majority of their strength seems to come from magic and if Demigra is anything like his silhouette hes gonna be a lot like Whis in terms of playstyle.

Which isn't really relevant at all here.

I'm just saying that if they're using Broli as a bonus boss, it's probably coming with the usual Broli wank. "He's even stronger than that guy we just beat!" is basically a stock line when Broli's involved with the games.

And I'm saying even if hes stronger than Demigra and company, it may not be all that impressive if they arent that strong to begin with.

[Saiga]

And I'm saying even if hes stronger than Demigra and company, it may not be all that impressive if they arent that strong to begin with.

You fight Beerus before Demigra. If Broli's going to get hyped after hat, it is going to be impressive.

[BlazingBarrrager]

And I'm saying even if hes stronger than Demigra and company, it may not be all that impressive if they arent that strong to begin with.

You fight Beerus before Demigra. If Broli's going to get hyped after hat, it is going to be impressive.

*shrugs* Considering the fact that Beerus gets his with dark mind-control power-up too Demigra will definitely be dangerous. It's funny when you think about it considering Whis doesn't do squat to stop Beerus when he becomes a puppet.

[Zelvin]

Far as Brolly is concerned, he's actually the most powerful non-canon character in the DBU. He has the greatest on-screen destructive capacity of anyone. He had literally wiped out a galaxy. And not just a single galaxy, it was the South Galaxy. Perhaps the writers didn't even know what they were doing, but what is labeled the South Galaxy is actually the Southern Quadrant, which makes up a quarter of the entire living universe in DBZ. An accomplishment Brolly performed while in a restricted form due to the Control Crown, limiting the power he could use.

In all honestly, Brolly was the God of Destruction before there was one. If you recall back in Budokai 3, one of the capsule items you get during Brolly's play through is a defensive item called "God of Destruction Body Wrap", which is supposed to be Brolly's cloth outfit. Long before "Battle of Gods", we had Brolly. So I don't find it any wonder that he'd be the big bonus boss.

[Saiga]

Destructive feats don't change that his best showing has him overpowering a rusty SS2 and getting killed by a Kamehameha from two (maybe three) SS1's.

[jollyr]

Is Janemba confirmed or like half confirmed from the uncovered training voice clips?

[BlazingBarrrager]

Far as Brolly is concerned, he's actually the most powerful non-canon character in the DBU. He has the greatest on-screen destructive capacity of anyone. He had literally wiped out a galaxy. And not just a single galaxy, it was the South Galaxy. Perhaps the writers didn't even know what they were doing, but what is labeled the South Galaxy is actually the Southern Quadrant, which makes up a quarter of the entire living universe in DBZ. An accomplishment Brolly performed while in a restricted form due to the Control Crown, limiting the power he could use.

In all honestly, Brolly was the God of Destruction before there was one. If you recall back in Budokai 3, one of the capsule items you get during Brolly's play through is a defensive item called "God of Destruction Body Wrap", which is supposed to be Brolly's cloth outfit. Long before "Battle of Gods", we had Brolly. So I don't find it any wonder that he'd be the big bonus boss.

Yeeeeeah there's a lot wrong with this. To put it blantly...Super Buu (w/Gohan) got into a fit so bad it nearly DESTROYED REALITY. Broli...not even close. Anyway, Broli is powerful sure, but the most powerful in the DBU? No, and that's especially if you don't include GT. Yes he destroyed most (yes MOST) of South Galaxy, but we don't know how long it took. Regardless how powerful you are (even Beerus falls under this), it is completely IMPOSSIBLE to destroy an entire galaxy much less a quarter of the universe in a short amount of time. We don't know how many years it took for South Galaxy to fall into that state in the events of the movie, but it was certainly not in an instant.

Anyway, we need to remember that Broli was pretty much on par with Cell during the Cell Games. Post Cell Games, even Vegeta in SSJ2 could wipe the floor with him in his legendary form. Why? Broli for the most part never trained like the other Saiyans. Aside from a supposed Zenkai boost following the second movie, Broli only gets more powerful (and more insane to boot) in Legendary Form. To compare we have...

Mystic Gohan
SSJ3 Goku (and that's before Battle of Gods)
SSJ3 Gotenks
Majin Buu
Vegito in his base form alone (if filler counts) let alone his Super Saiyan form who managed to curb-stomp Super Buu despite the latter being able to nearly DESTROY REALITY IN A HISSY FIT
Gogeta (following the above example)
Beerus (considering its his JOB)
Whis
Super Janemba

and any others I'm missing. Sure Broli has SSJ3 and SSJ4 (god forbid) in the games, but even then Beerus, Whis, Vegito, and Gogeta could curb stomp Broli regardless. Like I said, he's powerful sure, but not THE MOST powerful.

[RandomGuy96]

Far as Brolly is concerned, he's actually the most powerful non-canon character in the DBU. He has the greatest on-screen destructive capacity of anyone. He had literally wiped out a galaxy. And not just a single galaxy, it was the South Galaxy. Perhaps the writers didn't even know what they were doing, but what is labeled the South Galaxy is actually the Southern Quadrant, which makes up a quarter of the entire living universe in DBZ. An accomplishment Brolly performed while in a restricted form due to the Control Crown, limiting the power he could use.

In all honestly, Brolly was the God of Destruction before there was one. If you recall back in Budokai 3, one of the capsule items you get during Brolly's play through is a defensive item called "God of Destruction Body Wrap", which is supposed to be Brolly's cloth outfit. Long before "Battle of Gods", we had Brolly. So I don't find it any wonder that he'd be the big bonus boss.

Broly didn't destroy any galaxies. He just went from planet to planet and killed all life on them. Goku teleports to one of Broly's "conquests" at the very beginning of the movie. Not only is the planet still there, you can see all the stars are still there in the background. The planet is just wrecked. Heck, he didn't even destroy the planet those little slave people lived on until the end of the movie.

Even if we were to narrow it down to only anime-only feats, and take Broly's destruction of the galaxy as literal (i.e. he really did destroy all those planets and stars, even though we see that he didn't), he still wouldn't be the strongest. One of the weakest forms of Buu had a similar scene where he caused a galaxy to blink out (except, in that case, there's no indication that he didn't just genuinely destroy all those stars), and the strongest form of Buu nearly destroyed the entire universe via chain reaction just by screaming.

[Zelvin]

Broly didn't destroy any galaxies. He just went from planet to planet and killed all life on them.

That's incorrect. We see the South Galaxy vanishing before our eyes. The event took place in 7sec. Even claiming there were some worlds left, they're crumbs. They're akin to the crumbs left after eating a sandwich. Just because there're crumbs, doesn't mean I didn't eat the sandwich. Don't confuse Brolly for Kid Buu. It was Kid Buu that systematically destroyed galaxies planet by planet. Brolly did it in one shot, and we know this because King Kai's reaction to the event was immediate. If it had occurred over time, King Kai never would've noticed.

Yeeeeeah there's a lot wrong with this. To put it blantly...Super Buu (w/Gohan) got into a fit so bad it nearly DESTROYED REALITY. Broli...not even close. Anyway, Broli is powerful sure, but the most powerful in the DBU? No, and that's especially if you don't include GT. Yes he destroyed most (yes MOST) of South Galaxy, but we don't know how long it took. Regardless how powerful you are (even Beerus falls under this), it is completely IMPOSSIBLE to destroy an entire galaxy much less a quarter of the universe in a short amount of time. We don't know how many years it took for South Galaxy to fall into that state in the events of the movie, but it was certainly not in an instant.

This I have to laugh at, because people continue making the mistake that SB could've done so. The fact of the matter is; it never happened. Character Statements are not evidence, and Buu never destroyed the universe, or a dimension, or anything resembling it. Certainly his scream could open rifts in the fabric of dimensions. But it pales to obliterating 1/4th of the physical universe while at a fraction of your power.

People forget the movie is Non-Canon. It does not follow the logic of the Main Series. It doesn't need to. Claiming Brolly is only on par with Cell is utterly laughable. Cell has no notable destructive feats, and his statements were pointless. The only thing making Cell a system-buster was the Daizenshuu. And it's still infinitesimal to nuking a galaxy. And that was in Movie 8, before his zenkai boost in Movie 10.

The biggest mistake people make is believing that the Movie Cast is the same as the Main Canon characters. Many forget that Brolly's loss isn't due to them actually having the power to beat him. It was because of a Plot Device issued by the Writers to allow Goku to win. The Writers even went so far as to label it Goku's "Miracle Punch".

Miracle
1.
an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
2.
such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.

Another thing people like to skip over is, of course, 2nd Coming. Goku and Gohan were both SS2 during the film, and the both of them with SSJ Goten were losing out to Brolly's attack. It was inevitable he was going to kill them. Yet once again, Plot Device kicks in to allow Trunks weak, wobbly, ineffectual ki blast, to miraculously disrupt Brolly powering up his attack for the Son family to push it back and kick Brolly into the sun (because they haven't done that to a villain before!)

But again, the real kicker is believing that Movie Characters = Main Canon. They don't. The two are entirely different. The films can all be viewed as Alternate Timelines existing separately from the Main Canon. "History of Future Trunks" shows these differences quite well. Mirai Trunks even states the androids in his time aren't nearly as strong as the ones the Z-fighters encounter. Indicating a wide difference in the abilities of the same such figures in different timelines.

[KentalSSJ6]

Whis, Beerus, Vegetto, all forms of Buu and Gotenks, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan, SP Cell, Dabra, Janemba, Hildegarn, and more. They all wreck Broly with ease.

[jollyr]

So how bout that Janemba?

[KentalSSJ6]

So how bout that Janemba?

All we have for him are the supposed training quotes Chaospunishment showed in his video a while back. No leaks or trailers have shown Janemba in any way in Xenoverse.

[BlazingBarrrager]

I find it funny Beerus is a tutor. That's something I see Whis doing a lot better. lol

[Shinnin]

Another thing people like to skip over is, of course, 2nd Coming. Goku and Gohan were both SS2 during the film, and the both of them with SSJ Goten were losing out to Brolly's attack. It was inevitable he was going to kill them. Yet once again, Plot Device kicks in to allow Trunks weak, wobbly, ineffectual ki blast, to miraculously disrupt Brolly powering up his attack for the Son family to push it back and kick Brolly into the sun (because they haven't done that to a villain before!)

Except Goku wasn't Super Saiyan 2, and Gohan wasn't either during the beam struggle.

[Zelvin]

Whis, Beerus, Vegetto, all forms of Buu and Gotenks, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan, SP Cell, Dabra, Janemba, Hildegarn, and more. They all wreck Broly with ease.

That's not somethin you can remotely prove. By feats, Brolly is the most powerful figure they've ever produced. Are there any other galaxy busters in the series? No, there aren't. And unlike all the other figures, Brolly is the only one who continues to get stronger while he's fighting.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Broly didn't destroy any galaxies. He just went from planet to planet and killed all life on them.

That's incorrect. We see the South Galaxy vanishing before our eyes. The event took place in 7sec. Don't confuse Brolly for Kid Buu. It was Kid Buu that systematically destroyed galaxies planet by planet. Brolly did it in one shot, and we know this because King Kai's reaction to the event was immediate. If it had occurred over time, King Kai never would've noticed.

No. Its not possible. No character in the series has been shown to be able to do that. I think that the galacy fading out was just cinematic time, illustrating the threat of what King Kai was speculating. He never destroyed the entire galaxy, just was peaking a killing spree the way kid Buu did. They fought Broly in that area if I'm correct. Its also proven he didnt even destroy the planets on the spot the same way Buu did or new fake Planet Vegeta wouldnt be there to use.

Bardock does become a Super Saiyan which starts the whole legend and killed Freeza's ancestor, Chilled, which instilled the fear of the Super Saiyan into his family line. So I feel the "Legendary Saiyan" story arc will revolve around Bardock's trip to the past.

Bardock didn't start the legend in the main timeline. Its not possible. Chilled's death timeline is just an obscure unknown branch. In the main timeline, Chilled had to have been killed by the unknown SSJ or the SSJGod.

But again, referring to them as such doesn't make any sense. It would either mean he is the progenitor of the current race or that all those now existing are related to him. Neither is true. It's little more than a copout, a lack of imagination. Toriyama never officially named them, and he himself never referred to them as any sort of Clan. If the only reason not to call them Arcosians is because Toriyama didn't say they are, then that's just copping out and passing the buck. Unless Toriyama contradicts the term used in the Filler, I don't see a reason not to use it in other media. It is a way of distinguishing them as a Race instead of just a family group. Because that's what it would entail.

But there is nothing at all that connects them remotely, not even visually. If anything they look more like the bugs from Aralia. The fans making abstract correlations is why people think King Cold must be in his 2nd form, then it becomes a fact through word of mouth. Though there isnt even any implication to assume they are an entire poulation outside Cold and Freeza.(and/or Cooler).

[KentalSSJ6]

Whis, Beerus, Vegetto, all forms of Buu and Gotenks, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan, SP Cell, Dabra, Janemba, Hildegarn, and more. They all wreck Broly with ease.

That's not somethin you can remotely prove. By feats, Brolly is the most powerful figure they've ever produced. Are there any other galaxy busters in the series? No, there aren't. And unlike all the other figures, Brolly is the only one who continues to get stronger while he's fighting.

Simple power scaling proves otherwise.

[Zelvin]

Simple power scaling proves otherwise.

It doesn't prove anything because you can't power scale their abilities, especially when dealing with non-canon material. It's the same as anyone believing GT cast members are stronger because they're "in the future", when Future Trunks already tells us how much of a steaming load that is. Brolly is the only character to have ever actually destroyed a galaxy. He exists outside the series canon, which means none of them benefit from his accomplishments.

Hirudegarn is a giant fear monster and becomes pretty much powerless when overcoming that fear, or simply not being capable of being afraid. Janemba has a big glaring weakness to potty mouth. Hatchiyect also had a big glaring weakness since all his attacks were timed. Bojack is just a joke. And none of them have ever displayed the level of force Brolly has shown while restrained.

Besides, didn't you listen to Vegeta? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSaVTSYQGmQ