Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[fadeddreams5]

To the people asking why Goku wouldn't ask for a good reincarnation of Frieza over Kid Buu, it's pretty obvious. lol.

Kid Buu likely never once trained in his life either, and he is infinitely stronger than an untrained Frieza! If Frieza can achieve god level by training, just imagine what Kid Buu's potential is. Combine that with his insane natural abilities, which include absolute healing, rapid regeneration, body manipulation, insane fighting IQ (i.e. learning how to fight while fighting, and using Ki attacks after seeing them once), candy beams, and so on. Uub may be human, but, if written correctly, he can easily be the most powerful being in the universe--of course, not outright after training since he doesn't even know his own origins--going by the logic of this film.

[FindKenshi]

To the people asking why Goku wouldn't ask for a good reincarnation of Freeza over Kid Buu, it's pretty obvious. lol.

Kid Buu likely never once trained in his life either, and he is infinitely stronger than an untrained Freeza! If Freeza can achieve god level by training, just imagine what Kid Buu's potential is. Combine that with his insane natural abilities, which include absolute healing, rapid regeneration, body manipulation, insane fighting IQ (i.e. learning how to fight while fighting, and using Ki attacks after seeing them once), candy beams, and so on. Uub may be human, but, if written correctly, he can easily be the most powerful being in the universe--of course, not outright after training since he doesn't even know his own origins--going by the logic of this film.

Actually, that's a great point! So all the new stuff added by Battle of Gods doesn't trivialize Uub in the least when you think about it this way. Good thinking, as I honestly hadn't thought up that before. But I love making new content "fit" if necessary. It's even an intuitive solution, good job

[rereboy]

To the people asking why Goku wouldn't ask for a good reincarnation of Freeza over Kid Buu, it's pretty obvious. lol.

Kid Buu likely never once trained in his life either, and he is infinitely stronger than an untrained Freeza! If Freeza can achieve god level by training, just imagine what Kid Buu's potential is. Combine that with his insane natural abilities, which include absolute healing, rapid regeneration, body manipulation, insane fighting IQ (i.e. learning how to fight while fighting, and using Ki attacks after seeing them once), candy beams, and so on. Uub may be human, but, if written correctly, he can easily be the most powerful being in the universe--of course, not outright after training since he doesn't even know his own origins--going by the logic of this film.

I had mentioned that it would happen unless Kid Buu had an even crazier potential.

[FindKenshi]

He obviously does. Pure Boo never trained a day in his life. Imagine if he did.

[shinmaru]

I'm hoping he gets as strong as he is due to a combination of training, having another form and obtaining Godly Ki.

Pretty much what I think will happen since the promo's have been on about Freeza's new evolution and I doubt he has achieved this just by training alone.

Anyone else think there is a bigger threat? And instead of announcing him/herself off the bat they're the ones behind Freeza's whole resurrection and power up just to showcase what they're capable off. And said bigger threat shows up at the end of the movie as a tease for the next movie.

Maybe an another god trained or makes Freeza stronger, or maybe it's Whis himself giving Freeza something
To test Goku out, we never know until more info comes out. But I hope you see Cell In this movie because he was
a little upset he didn't appear In BOG.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvpaIVv-CfA

[rereboy]

He obviously does. Pure Boo never trained a day in his life. Imagine if he did.

Obviously? How come, obviously? We know nothing of his potential. If Kid Buu trained, how do we know that he could gain, proportionately, the same kind of increase that Freeza apparently gains? He might not. For all we know, which is nothing, he might improve greatly but not come close to the proportional gains that Freeza gains in the movie, or his absolute limit regarding potential could be inferior to Freeza's absolute limit. All we have are theories.

So, like mentioned, either Kid Buu really has that kind of potential or Goku would be better off with Freeza's reincarnation. Or Cell's.

[Chuquita]

I feel like we'll get something solid in this month's VJump. Even though the movie is April instead of March, it still comes out before April's VJump. There'll likely be F info in April's VJump, but I'd imagine they'd want to drop the bigger info leading up to the release, not saving it for the week after.

[Regarder]

Who cares about how he gets strong? It's a fictional story.

In a fictional story that is mostly fixated on strong people fighting and getting even stronger through more and more elaborate methods, yes, I care how the characters get strong. Also, passing it off as a children's story is kind of a Krillin out, because the difference between good children's stories that stay with kids and crappy ones is always that one is better written than another. We're not asking for a court room drama here, just a simple story that stays true to its own internal logic and follows what has been established before without just ignoring stuff. The series may be lighthearted and able to get away with a lot, but it's not like DB has been completely devoid of logic before. If the series had just been abstract shapes and people morphing into teapots and so on for no reason from day one, then maybe we could just say "Oh well, it's Teletubbies, what you gonna do?", but DB has always been built on specific concepts which allow further ideas to develop, even if they are fundamentally simple ones. Besides, simple stuff should be easy to keep consistent, right?

It's also possible to appreciate Dragonball while being critical of it. A message board where people just constantly praise everything that is ever done would be pretty boring (and pretty fake and cloying). After all, if we appreciate particular aspects of Dragonball and those are what make the series good to us, then it's inevitable that stories which forgo those aspects for some other things we are less keen on are going to cause us to voice criticism. You say "cheer up", but you needn't worry; I don't think anyone is in fits of depression over this. Critique is good fun really.

Personally, I find Freeza coming back interesting, so I agree on that at least, I just perceive that there are bad ways to handle that and good ways to handle that according to my tastes. But we'll have to see!

[UpFromTheSkies]

He obviously does. Pure Boo never trained a day in his life. Imagine if he did.

We don't really know that, though, he may have been trained by Bibidi, or by someone else before Bibidi summoned him.

[Regarder]

Pure Buu is supposedly getting stronger every time he is awakened, which might actually just be because he's getting training from the exercise of destroying stuff every time he's awake. At least going off that information, he would seem to have some "potential".

[UpFromTheSkies]

I'm hoping he gets as strong as he is due to a combination of training, having another form and obtaining Godly Ki.

Pretty much what I think will happen since the promo's have been on about Freeza's new evolution and I doubt he has achieved this just by training alone.

Anyone else think there is a bigger threat? And instead of announcing him/herself off the bat they're the ones behind Freeza's whole resurrection and power up just to showcase what they're capable off. And said bigger threat shows up at the end of the movie as a tease for the next movie.

I think Freeza may end up causing a problem that will lead into the next movie... It's mentioned in the promotional pamphlet that Freeza throws off the balance, which I'm assuming means the balance between creation and destruction mentioned in BoG, so maybe he destroys so much during his training or battle with Goku and Vegeta that even all the Kaioshin working together can't correct it fast enough to prevent a universal collapse, and so Whis sends Goku and Vegeta to another universe to retrieve some item/person/multiverse dragon balls powerful enough to undo the damage caused by Freeza and save the universe.

[Low Tone G]

Pure Buu is supposedly getting stronger every time he is awakened, which might actually just be because he's getting training from the exercise of destroying stuff every time he's awake. At least going off that information, he would seem to have some "potential".

It was stated that Buu was a force of nature since time immemorial. Toriyama said he doesn't even need energy to be strong, he becomes only violent as he absorbs the evil of mankind, so he doesn't get stronger when he is awake.

Freeza's reincarnation to be better for Goku to ask for issue...

I'm very surprised that someone made up this idea... But, honestly, why would be any good to have another reincarnation request? I mean that was already made, making a secod request would kill originality, which Toriyama doesn't like to loose.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Freeza's reincarnation to a better for Goku to ask for issue...

Wait... what?

[Ajay]

Who cares about how he gets strong? It's a fictional story.

Yes...and fictional stories require exposition and, in the case of Dragon Ball, at least some reasonably believable continuity.

I don't really see your point? Are you trying to say that fans should ignore basic narrative conventions or are you simply saying people need to cheer up and be excited. It reads like the former but I feel like the latter is more the point.

I agree that the negativity surrounding this film is excessive though not entirely unfounded. Everyone wants new Dragon Ball content but they want fresh, innovative ideas and not just fan-masturbatory garbage for the sake of bringing back a beloved character. I think a lot of people are just having fun theorising and there's only a few bad apples being idiotic in their kneejerk judgements based on nothing.

I mean, I feel like people are forgetting that Battle of Gods was extremely fan-focused - the party as an excuse to bring the characters together, the Pilaf shenanigans and callbacks to Dragon Ball. At the same time, it introduced some fantastic concepts! I'd like to think Fukkatsu no F will do the same. There's nothing wrong with fan-focused fun if there's still good content in there.

Kanzenshuu is still a very positive place. You're reading a thread hundreds of pages in on a movie that has had little information revealed yet. Go back to the first few pages and it's a heck of a lot of positivity...then it devolves into plot discussion since that's all that can happen...then new info comes out and it's back to excitement before devolving again. It's just how these things go. Don't get disheartened or believe there's any shift in the community here.

[Low Tone G]

Freeza's reincarnation to a better for Goku to ask for issue...

Wait... what?

What I understood from the posts was that someone came up with the possibility as if Goku will manage to kill Freeza he should ask for a reincarnation of Freeza to become a good being just like he did in the case of Buu. They came up with Freeza great potential as appearantly is able to develop incredibly much in power in very short amount of time.

[FindKenshi]

No I'm just saying fans shouldn't be so rigid and stuck up about it.. the idea of Freeza becoming SSj God levels might sound absurd to YOU, but it's perfectly reasonable within the realm of Dragon Ball where someone can go from a battle power of a few hundred to 150,000,000 in one year. It is not unreasonable at all to imagine Freeza growing much stronger, because his strength was utterly supreme in the world of the living at one point he was in a completely different dimension, dwarfing even the closest power to his by several orders of magnitude. He is Freeza for crying out loud.. I find it more believable that he reaches this level of power than any other villain. He's the most tenacious and ruthless of the villains. It makes sense to me, anyway.

[dualist]

Who cares about how he gets strong? It's a fictional story.

Yes...and fictional stories require exposition and, in the case of Dragon Ball, at least some reasonably believable continuity.

I don't really see your point? Are you trying to say that fans should ignore basic narrative conventions or are you simply saying people need to cheer up and be excited. It reads like the former but I feel like the latter is more the point.

I agree that the negativity surrounding this film is excessive though not entirely unfounded. Everyone wants new Dragon Ball content but they want fresh, innovative ideas and not just fan-masturbatory garbage for the sake of bringing back a beloved character. I think a lot of people are just having fun theorising and there's only a few bad apples being idiotic in their kneejerk judgements based on nothing.

I mean, I feel like people are forgetting that Battle of Gods was extremely fan-focused - the party as an excuse to bring the characters together, the Pilaf shenanigans and callbacks to Dragon Ball. At the same time, it introduced some fantastic concepts! I'd like to think Fukkatsu no F will do the same. There's nothing wrong with fan-focused fun if there's still good content in there.

Kanzenshuu is still a very positive place. You're reading a thread hundreds of pages in on a movie that has had little information revealed yet. Go back to the first few pages and it's a heck of a lot of positivity...then it devolves into plot discussion since that's all that can happen...then new info comes out and it's back to excitement before devolving again. It's just how these things go. Don't get disheartened or believe there's any shift in the community here.

I agree with both sides of the argument here; I do think people are being overly critical while at the same time I don't mind people voicing their theories and disagreement of where the movie appears to be going.

With that being said, I'm very excited to see new content coming out. I enjoyed Battle of the Gods even though I felt the silliness outweighed the more serious points of the movie. But the fact that it was New Dragon Ball content was more than enough to keep me engaged. I thought DB was done and here we are years later getting new content. Would I prefer a new villain to Freeza, sure, but we did get Beerus and and it's not like other franchises don't constantly bring old villains back. Freeza to Goku is like Joker to Batman, he is an iconic villain.

I'm also interested to see where Frieza's massive increase in power comes from, but I have no doubt that it will be explained. I mean, aren't you all hyped up the fact that we may be getting new DB content for years to come?

On another note, I have a feeling that AT my retcon EoZ soon. The fact that he's telling stories between Buu Saga and EoZ gives me the feeling that he wasn't necessarily happy with it and may end up changing some things. And while some folks may have a problem with that potentially happening, I see know issue with it at all. I'm an aspiring author and AT has creative license to do what he wishes with his story and hopefully he improves it.

[Zelvin]

What I understood from the posts was that someone came up with the possibility as if Goku will manage to kill Freeza he should ask for a reincarnation of Freeza to become a good being just like he did in the case of Buu. They came up with Freeza great potential as appearantly is able to develop incredibly much in power in very short amount of time.

The issue with that would be...why would we do that again? Considering that Uub does not yet exist so asking for Freeza's spirit to be returned as a good person would have absolutely no impact, because we may never see who that is and we don't even know if any other of Freeza's species even exists in the Main Canon.

[fadeddreams5]

I mean, I feel like people are forgetting that Battle of Gods was extremely fan-focused - the party as an excuse to bring the characters together, the Pilaf shenanigans and callbacks to Dragon Ball. At the same time, it introduced some fantastic concepts!

Did it though? I'm still so on the fence on God ki because it's a completely ambiguous concept after Goku "absorbed" it. Can't help but ask if Goku will now substitute his SSJ forms for God mode, or if he will stay in base form because of his absorption. And if that's the case, where does he go from here as far as powering up and training goes. Is SSJ necessary anymore? Will non-God characters now be irrelevant when stronger villains show up? Can someone without God ki still be as strong as a god (sans Supreme Kais)?! So many questions. I feel it's up to this new movie to demonstrate whether it was a good concept or not.

[Ajay]

Did it though? I'm still so on the fence on God ki because it's a completely ambiguous concept after Goku "absorbed" it. Can't help but ask if Goku will now substitute his SSJ forms for God mode, or if he will stay in base form because of his absorption. And if that's the case, where does he go from here as far as powering up and training goes. Is SSJ necessary anymore? Will non-God characters now be irrelevant when stronger villains show up? Can someone without God ki still be as strong as a god (sans Supreme Kais)?! So many questions. I feel it's up to this new movie to demonstrate whether it was a good concept or not.

I think you answered your own question. Yes, it definitely did introduce some great concepts. Obviously that 'great' is subjective but I think they're at least interesting.

You're right though. There's definitely some exposition required if this is to be considered a true sequel as I (believe) it's said to be.