Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Zelvin]

Did it though? I'm still so on the fence on God ki because it's a completely ambiguous concept after Goku "absorbed" it. Can't help but ask if Goku will now substitute his SSJ forms for God mode, or if he will stay in base form because of his absorption. And if that's the case, where does he go from here as far as powering up and training goes. Is SSJ necessary anymore? Will non-God characters now be irrelevant when stronger villains show up? Can someone without God ki still be as strong as a god (sans Supreme Kais)?! So many questions. I feel it's up to this new movie to demonstrate whether it was a good concept or not.

Thing is, the introduction of Godly ki doesn't really seemed to have changed anything. By the time around Cell, the majority of the cast were already pretty much useless and good for nothing but standing around and cheering. Piccolo did his job of distracting the badguys until someone else was ready to finish the job. Then Vegeta screws things up, then Goku wins. Or in the case of Cell, he sets up Gohan to win. But then comes back and wins against Buu. Thing is, everyone except maybe 3 people have been rendered unnecessary for the actual fighting by the time of "Battle of Gods", so the introduction of God Ki never really changed the status quo of the situation.

[Friezacooler]

Gohan spent one day in a single room and he managed to beat Cell, should we fuck the Cell Saga too?

what a comparison lol, u do know the power gap between SSj God and Freeza is ridiculously high something SSj god neither fusions could achieve by just training.

Fair point!

I can imagine that Freeza will show us what could Super Vegetto do against Beerus if Goku decided to use him. I mean Piccolo comments on Freeza that he is in a different league comparing to themselves. Piccolo is not a God like Beerus, Whis, God Goku, or Kais, he can not sense God Ki, so shouldn't be able to detect Freeza's Ki, if it wasn't normal one. I must think Freeza's power will be a very big normal one to start with in this film, and after that will he be upgraded, after realising it's not enough for Goku.

I should guess, now, with the introduction of God Ki, which is above Vegetto, and it was stated Vegetto was a being the last who is a different league his own, but still sensable, I'd say Freeza after his training should be comparable with him, but not higher, otherwise Piccolo's statement couldn't make sense to know what level was Freeza in the trailer.[/quote]


Piccolo might have gotten the god ki sensing ability from fusing with Kami, nothing that disproves I guess?.

[WittyUsername]

Speaking of God ki, I guess we can probably assume that Freeza somehow developed God ki of his own while he was training. I can't imagine any other explanation for why he's able to fight on par with Goku, who supposedly maintained his God ki, considering that Battle of Gods seemed to imply that the only thing that can beat someone with God ki, is another individual with God ki.

[Zelvin]

Fair point!

I can imagine that Freeza will show us what could Super Vegetto do against Beerus if Goku decided to use him. I mean Piccolo comments on Freeza that he is in a different league comparing to themselves. Piccolo is not a God like Beerus, Whis, God Goku, or Kais, he can not sense God Ki, so shouldn't be able to detect Freeza's Ki, if it wasn't normal one. I must think Freeza's power will be a very big normal one to start with in this film, and after that will he be upgraded, after realising it's not enough for Goku.

I should guess, now, with the introduction of God Ki, which is above Vegetto, and it was stated Vegetto was a being the last who is a different league his own, but still sensable, I'd say Freeza after his training should be comparable with him, but not higher, otherwise Piccolo's statement couldn't make sense to know what level was Freeza in the trailer.

Kami wasn't a real god himself. It was just a position he took over. A job. And the ki of the Kaioshin is still removed from that of the actual Gods, like Whis and Birus. Shin's was referred to as Heavenly ki or some such, which was why bibidi couldn't make use of it to revive Majin Buu. Whereas the ki of the Z-fighters was just pure energy with no sense of alignment, making it ideal. However God ki is apparently something else entirely separate from the standard pure energy of the Z-crew and the heavenly ki of the Kaioshins.

As far as I'm concerned with Piccolo, he's probably around the level of Perfect Cell. Also, as far as his statement goes concerning Freeza, we didn't see Freeza in the shot and we have no idea at what point in the film he makes that statement. He could've made it after Freeza goes beyond his Final Form, or he could say it after Freeza returns to his Final Form once more. Ultimately we just don't know.

Piccolo might have gotten the god ki sensing ability from fusing with Kami, nothing that disproves I guess?.[/quote]

[rereboy]

Kami wasn't a real god himself. It was just a position he took over. A job.

What? That's not true. He was a god as it was clearly stated and demonstrated in the manga.

[EmmaWinters]

Kami wasn't a real god himself.

Yes he was; the title of god isn't reserved for the Kaio race and those with god ki; it never has been.

Shin's [ki] was referred to as Heavenly ki or some such

I know that Babidi was unable to use his ki, but I don't recall it being referred to as anything. Could you find that for me?

[Zelvin]

Kami wasn't a real god himself.

Yes he was; the title of god isn't reserved for the Kaio race and those with god ki; it never has been.

Shin's [ki] was referred to as Heavenly ki or some such

I know that Babidi was unable to use his ki, but I don't recall it being referred to as anything. Could you find that for me?

Not in the legitimate sense. Kami just took over the position from the previous Guardian of Earth. And Dende would then take it over after Kami fused with Piccolo. In that sense it's really just a job. His name just translates as "god". If we look at the Kaioshins, they've had the same positions since time immemorial. They don't really age or change. Whether it's an effect of being in Otherworld or their status is never made clear.

Far as the Heavenly ki thing, think it was another Anime translation. Just some way of differentiating it from the Ki everyone else has.

[FindKenshi]

I thought some recent stuff in some of the new guidebooks went into great detail about the gods of Dragon Ball? That should settle matters, just look it up in the Guides!

[EmmaWinters]

Not in the legitimate sense. Kami just took over the position from the previous Guardian of Earth.

Calling godhood "Guardian of Earth" is no different than calling Other World the Next Dimension.

And Dende would then take it over after Kami fused with Piccolo. In that sense it's really just a job.

That's right, "god" is a job in Dragon Ball, it has never been restricted to the Kaiō or Kaiōshin. You're thinking of God in a Western sense.

His name just translates as "god".

We don't know God's name. His job title translates to God (capital G) because it is literally being a god. That's what God is, a god.

[Zelvin]

translates to God (capital G) because it is literally being a God. That's what God is, a god.

I can't really agree, because we know there's more than one god in the DBU, and in Fiction in general regardless of what type. Most comic universes tend to have multiple gods. Capitalizing it doesn't really change anything. Kami would be viewed as such to the normal every day human, but strength wise he's not even as tough as Garlic jr was in "Dead Zone", or several of the Z-fighters during the 23rd Budokai. It's like the difference between the Farmer and Raditz. The gap between Kami and other actual gods is rather vast.

Then there's the thing that "God" is more a title in DBZ and has very little if no meaning at all in the overall scheme of things. At least not until we get "Real" gods like Whis and Birus where that term bears any kind of weight. For the most part the 3 figures in the DBU with the most power and authority were Yemma, Shenron and Purunga. No one else can do what they do and Yemma gets to decide whether you get stuck in Hell or not, and if you get to keep your body. And Baba has to petition him to let people come back to Earth for a day.

Shenron and Purunga can restore planets, revive the dead, alter peoples memories and do just about anything. Even apparently possessing a degree of actual omniscience, because clearly Kami would never have known about Super Saiyan God, or Super Saiyan for that matter, much less Saiyans until Raditz showed up to let'em know that Aliens exist. Reminds me of TFS Abridged;
Kami: *should I call you back when you're done screaming? Or is that just not happening?*
King Kai: And then there's this ca-! *Kami?..*
Kami: *yes I wanted you inform you that Mr. Popo has acquired the sixth drag-*
King Kai: "You're Alive?!"
Kami: ...*so this is what passes for Omnipotence these days, hmm?*

Just seems like the 'Gods' are oblivious to quite a lot, yet Shenron seems damn near all-knowing. You would think that if Kami didn't know something, the dragon wouldn't either. But that's not the case. And aside from Birus and the Oracle Fish, no one knew what the heck SSG was, yet Shenron explained it and told everyone how to create one.

[EmmaWinters]

I can't really agree, because we know there's more than one god in the DBU

This isn't something you can disagree on, though. This is how deities have always worked in Dragon Ball.

... Capitalizing it doesn't really change anything.

It's proper. You should capitalize God's ("Kami's") job because he is referred to as Kami-sama (神様), which is generally used for the big "G" God. There's even a joke during the Buu arc where Kuririn prays to God out loud and Piccolo reminds him that God is Dende.

Then there's the thing that "God" is more a title in DBZ and has very little if no meaning at all in the overall scheme of things. At least not until we get "Real" gods like Whis and Birus where that term bears any kind of weight.

Before Whis and Beerus, there were the Kaiōshin and Kaiō. If this were five years ago, you would be using the Kaiōshin to claim that God isn't really a god.

Just seems like the 'Gods' are oblivious to quite a lot, yet Shenron seems damn near all-knowing.

Again, you're think of the word in western terms.
Believe what you like, I suppose. We're getting pretty off-topic.

[Zelvin]

Again, you're think of the word in western terms.
Believe what you like, I suppose. We're getting pretty off-topic.

Better than comparing to Greek mythos gods. Ya know, like Zeus, who went around nailing everything with a pulse.

[rereboy]

There are mythologies where beings could just become gods and could die. There is nothing really incompatible between being a god and how Kami got to be a god and his role.

[KameRule]

After reading all of that, "God" doesn't even look like a real word any more.

Anyway, on topic, I'm not all over the idea of "God Ki" to start with. Don't get me wrong, I loved BOG, but it feels a bit too much like "you have to have this kind of super duper energy to fight these guys", which I don't think is really in the spirit of the series.

[Bullza]

Anyone else think there is a bigger threat? And instead of announcing him/herself off the bat they're the ones behind Freeza's whole resurrection and power up just to showcase what they're capable off. And said bigger threat shows up at the end of the movie as a tease for the next movie.

Demigra.

[EmmaWinters]

Anyone else think there is a bigger threat? And instead of announcing him/herself off the bat they're the ones behind Freeza's whole resurrection and power up just to showcase what they're capable off. And said bigger threat shows up at the end of the movie as a tease for the next movie.

Demigra.

No thanks.

[Chuquita]

I notice it says "Maximum the Hormone" at the top of the page; does this mean "F" the song will play during "F" the movie? Or is it just explaining where the title came from?

[EmmaWinters]

I notice it says "Maximum the Hormone" at the top of the page; does this mean "F" the song will play during "F" the movie? Or is it just explaining where the title came from?

Toribot is explaining that "F" comes from a cool/vulgar song about Freeza.

[Chuquita]

I notice it says "Maximum the Hormone" at the top of the page; does this mean "F" the song will play during "F" the movie? Or is it just explaining where the title came from?

Toribot is explaining that "F" comes from a cool/vulgar song about Freeza.

Understood. Thank you.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Anyone else think there is a bigger threat? And instead of announcing him/herself off the bat they're the ones behind Freeza's whole resurrection and power up just to showcase what they're capable off. And said bigger threat shows up at the end of the movie as a tease for the next movie.

Demigra.

Demigra?