Anyone else think Vegeta was too easily forgiven by the end?

[Cure Dragon 255]

Forgiveness Crap is just as bad as Revenge Crap.

See, I can add the word crap at the end of a concept I dont like too.



Seriously, there SHOULD be consequences for stuff. What prevents other genocidal characters from just joining the "Good Guys" and escaping Karma?

[Rocketman]

It's like Man of Steel, why do people seem to blame the heroes more than the villains?

It's actually not like Man of Steel. Zod was Superman's equal, so Supes really couldn't do much more than what he did. Goku had the power to end the Majin Buu threat at any time (before Super Buu anyway), but didn't.

[Storm101]

Forgiveness Crap is just as bad as Revenge Crap.

See, I can add the word crap at the end of a concept I dont like too.



Seriously, there SHOULD be consequences for stuff. What prevents other genocidal characters from just joining the "Good Guys" and escaping Karma?

There should be consequences if you're still a bad guy. Hopefully that experience can change them into a better person. But in someone's like Vegeta's case, it's pointless.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta was forgiven because fans love him and Vegeta made money. Toriyama needed the paycheck.
Quite simple. Vegeta is the second most popular character behind Goku. WHY Would't Toriyama have the fighters trust him? It's like "The Rock" in WWF. He was to cool to be bad.

So happy this isn't in In Universe section. I don't have to give an in-universe answer.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I FUCKING love you!

[dbboxkaifan]

It's like Man of Steel, why do people seem to blame the heroes more than the villains?

Not to go off-topic but Superman in Man of Steel was more of a villain than an actual superhero considering he put pretty much everyone at risk, wrecked the fuck out of wherever he battled and it just didn't feel quite right as a real Superman film. Great as an action flick not so much as Superman's.

[Saiga]

Vegeta got off too easily, but so did every character who joined the protagonist side. Dragon Ball's very lenient, in all honesty. There's not much point even giving a shit, nobody on the protag side ever got fitting punishment for the murder, abduction, sexual assault, eating people, theft and other general dickery they've done.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Also now that people mention Piccolo being "Just as bad as Vegeta"(He isnt) he DID end up in Hell. So in a way he is not a Karma Houdini.

[Storm101]

Only in GT and only because he deliberately pissed Emna off so he could get into hell and help Goku. He was sent to heaven initially.

[WittyUsername]

Vegeta got off too easily, but so did every character who joined the protagonist side. Dragon Ball's very lenient, in all honesty. There's not much point even giving a shit, nobody on the protag side ever got fitting punishment for the murder, abduction, sexual assault, eating people, theft and other general dickery they've done.

True, but Vegeta's probably the worst case of this.

[Saiga]

Vegeta got off too easily, but so did every character who joined the protagonist side. Dragon Ball's very lenient, in all honesty. There's not much point even giving a shit, nobody on the protag side ever got fitting punishment for the murder, abduction, sexual assault, eating people, theft and other general dickery they've done.

True, but Vegeta's probably the worst case of this.

I don't think that he is. His crimes are worse than the others, but he got more punishment than the others as well. Basically everyone got off lighter than Vegeta so it evens out.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes. Even if the protagonists are horrible sociopaths who give zero shits about all the people Vegeta killed who never got to come back, at the very least they should have taken him out after he smacked his son around and caught 18 so Cell could absorb her. At that point, he outright declared himself an enemy. And hey, as a bonus, if Vegeta is killed, Cell is defeated more easily and Buu never gets out. But then we wouldn't get Fat Buu giving Vegeta the most brutal beat down in the series and crushing him with his fat ass, so I guess it all worked out.

Hell, if there was any who really got off the hook in the end, it would be Piccolo. His previous incarnation committed countless crimes, but once his reincarnation joins Goku's side, he's a good guy, with all his previous bad deeds swept under the rug.

Those aren't the same Piccolos.

[Rocketman]

at the very least they should have taken him out after he smacked his son around and caught 18 so Cell could absorb her. At that point, he outright declared himself an enemy.

That was filler.

[RandomGuy96]

at the very least they should have taken him out after he smacked his son around and caught 18 so Cell could absorb her. At that point, he outright declared himself an enemy.

That was filler.

No it wasn't. He pointed out 18 to Cell and said he could absorb her. When Trunks tried to intervene, Vegeta kicked him in the face.

[Ashelia]

Vegeta has been too easily forgiven from the start of his existence. He gets no punishment for anything he's ever done, he barely even gets a stern talking to or even a finger wag. The only punishment he gets is being defeated/surpassed which is a given, he's not Goku or a Son and going to Hell twice which was what like less than a day tops? Yeah thats real horrible but only to him cause he's just that much of a whiny spoiled brat.

He's just allowed to roam free for no real reason aside from Goku not being around when he's sent to Earth. Even after Goku returns Vegeta hasn't shown why anyone should trust him yet he's left alone and living in the lap of luxury cause for Bulma lust trumps logic. His antics cause more harm than good, though Goku's do as well but with Vegeta its no surprise given its fucking Vegeta yet he's still allowed to "help" no strings attached.

What does he have to do? Kill a bunch of people to prove that maybe he shouldn't be trusted? Oh wait...he did that and still no one cared cause he sacrificed himself after his pointless massacre. Sure it was a nice gesture as he knows that unlike Goku the afterlife isn't gonna be the best vacation ever but he repents for nothing and is accepted for it. The other bad to good guys in the series don't openly repent either but at least their actions show they've changed. With Vegeta he's a ticking time bomb from Saiyan saga to near the end of the Buu saga yet most of the cast just ignores the really loud "I'M PURE EVIL" ticking.

With all this said I fucking love the psychotic son of a bitch regardless.

[superfunk]

Anyone else not care? I don't even think it is bad writing, the manga covers like 23 years from Vegeta's introduction to the end, so allot of time for change and people to adjust. He also has Bulma and Trunks as family members, the group like and care about Bulma and Trunks, so with Vegeta having such close ties to them, the rest of the group will accept him. And as far as making him an unlikable character and not wanting for him to be forgiven,i don't think most care, he is surely the second most popular character.

[voltlunok]

Anyone else not care? I don't even think it is bad writing, the manga covers like 23 years from Vegeta's introduction to the end, so allot of time for change and people to adjust. He also has Bulma and Trunks as family members, the group like and care about Bulma and Trunks, so with Vegeta having such close ties to them, the rest of the group will accept him. And as far as making him an unlikable character and not wanting for him to be forgiven,i don't think most care, he is surely the second most popular character.

I care. I completely think he got off too easy. Vegeta did TERRIBLE THINGS! All those people at the WMAT he killed? He did that of his own will. He willingly gave himself up to Babidi for more power and then used that power to kill. This is then swept completely under the rug. Sure most forgive him cause of the sacrafice he made in attempt to kill Buu (which he failed to do!) but to me that is just the tip of the atonement iceberg. Hell it's clear Yamcha still holds resentment towards Vegeta for his death in the saiyan saga. Tien sure seems to still hate his guts cause you know...Nappa lead to the death of Chiaotzu and himself! Which he did under Vegeta's orders. All stuff that he hasn't answered for! Let alone the countless crimes he committed under Freeza's command. All of this just seems swept under the rug in the long run, which is horrible. There is groundwork for a great story here but it won't be done cause Vegeta is such a popular character that heaven forbid we cast him in a bad light.

Also if you read through this thread, there is clearly people who care about this topic and agree in some ways.

[TheLegend23]

Business is business and thats what the galactic trade was A BUSINESS. Of course he never felt remorseful when he died, to him it was orders.


But yeah I think he was easily forgiven, he was such a douche throughout Z.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

It's already been pointed out that the question was never "resolved" in the Android/Cell arc because Vegeta was more of an asset than liability, having a shared interest in fighting dem robots- until the undermined the entire cause because of his interest in fighting dem robots, but then what does killing Vegeta in recompense accomplish? What does killing Vegeta in recompense for anything- as Vegeta is basically going to bring to that because, whoop, guy is in the top four strongest dudes on the planet since he sets up shop- accomplish? It would have been nicer if he saw all his killing for what it was like Tenshinhan seemed to do, but even then Vegeta's not going to dwell on it that vocally. The man is warped, lest anyone not see that I attest to that more than once, but he just has too much weight to throw around to be made to see he faults.

If it makes you feel any better, he's still going to Hell when he dies.

Well done and correct. As of right now.

[MediaFanGirl93]

The Draco In Leather Pants is strong in this thread.

It's strong everywhere, especially on TV Tropes, lol.

If it makes you feel any better, he's still going to Hell when he dies.

Anyway, yes I do think Vegeta got off too easy. I mean, a lot of things he did would be completely unforgivable in our standards, like almost kiling Goku and Gohan and allowing enemies like Cell and Majin Buu to become more powerful. I mean he was responsible for almost every arc in the series. It's crazy.

*reads other posts* wow, this thread escalated FAST!