Anyone else think Vegeta was too easily forgiven by the end?

[EmmaWinters]

Porunga is not a god, and he is not all-knowing.

To be fair, Porunga does mean 夢の神 God of Dreams.
And while not Porunga himself, Shenlong knew about the Super Saiyan God and how to summon it.

[Kendamu]

Aside from executing all of their enemies, there's really nothing anyone in Dragon World can do besides bring out the good in people and eventually forgive them. I mean, do you think Police Office Kuririn is just gonna stroll on by and put some handcuffs on Vegeta and escort him to jail to await trial? Even if Vegeta were to play along, he could literally escape at any moment and there's really nothing anyone could do short of killing him. Same goes for pretty much anyone who has ever done anything bad in Dragonball.

It's actually better in the long run that they were able to make Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, etc. into better people with their own methods than if they had tried anything other than killing those guys.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He obviously didn't love them, seeing as how he repeatedly abused his son and nearly killed his wife more than once. He was also willing to doom the entire Earth, including them, just for the sake of a pissing contest with a dead guy who didn't even care.

We are talking about Boo arc. And he didn't want to revive Boo in order for him to destroy the Earth, he was blinded by his selfishness and just didn't care about Boo, not to mention that he was also under Babidi's influence. Yeah, he fell into it on purpose, but not for evil reasons, for selfish reasons, since he was blinded by jealousy.

No, he placed his existence on the line for two reasons: one, pride. He and Goku could have fused to instantly defeat Buu, but Vegeta is a dick, so he said no. He continues to say no even after Gohan has been revived, even though bringing Gohan would end the conflict in five seconds. Two, self-preservation. He can't exactly leave.

Except he admits that he fights in order to protect his loved ones, even though he does let his pride get in the way, so he isn't making the best choices.

Porunga is not a god, and he is not all-knowing.

Shenlong & Porunga are stated to be gods in the manga, and they are all-knowing, or rather, they can learn anything you ask them, since they don't have limitations in that sector, he can grant any wish about that, meaning that whatever you ask him, he will know it. So, when they tell him to revive anyone except the really bad guys, he will know exactly who the really bad guys really are.

No, Vegeta got to be revived because they only prohibited the revivals of the REALLY bad people. In other words, Babidi.

So, you believe that Vegeta isn't a really bad person?

How does it mean that?

Only a really bad person would make these evil thoughts.

Even if we were to accept BOG into this discussion, that isn't a good deed. It's simple self-preservation.

Super Saiyan God proves otherwise.

[ImmaDeker]

Aside from executing all of their enemies, there's really nothing anyone in Dragon World can do besides bring out the good in people and eventually forgive them. I mean, do you think Police Office Kuririn is just gonna stroll on by and put some handcuffs on Vegeta and escort him to jail to await trial? Even if Vegeta were to play along, he could literally escape at any moment and there's really nothing anyone could do short of killing him. Same goes for pretty much anyone who has ever done anything bad in Dragonball.

Dragon World can't really work on conventional morality when the most powerful people in it can reverse mass damages with a finger snap. Vegeta's crimes aren't as severe as they would be in the real world.

[RandomGuy96]

We are talking about Boo arc. And he didn't want to revive Boo in order for him to destroy the Earth, he was blinded by his selfishness and just didn't care about Boo, not to mention that he was also under Babidi's influence. Yeah, he fell into it on purpose, but not for evil reasons, for selfish reasons, since he was blinded by jealousy.

I know. So?

That's the point. He gave so few shits about his family that he didn't even consider what would happen to them if Buu got out.

Except he admits that he fights in order to protect his loved ones, even though he does let his pride get in the way, so he isn't making the best choices.

Which is proven to be BS when he chooses to prioritize stroking his ego over protecting his loved ones.

Shenlong & Porunga are stated to be gods in the manga, and they are all-knowing, or rather, they can learn anything you ask them, since they don't have limitations in that sector, he can grant any wish about that, meaning that whatever you ask him, he will know it. So, when they tell him to revive anyone except the really bad guys, he will know exactly who the really bad guys really are.

So, in other words, they're not all-knowing? The manga never presented them as omniscient.

So, you believe that Vegeta isn't a really bad person?

No, just that Porunga for whatever reason doesn't consider him one. That wish seemed to apply solely to Babidi, since Pilaf and presumably others got to come back.

Only a really bad person would make these evil thoughts.

What? Since when?

Super Saiyan God proves otherwise.

How?

Dragon World can't really work on conventional morality when the most powerful people in it can reverse mass damages with a finger snap. Vegeta's crimes aren't as severe as they would be in the real world.

99% of the mass damage caused by Vegeta was never reversed.

Aside from executing all of their enemies, there's really nothing anyone in Dragon World can do besides bring out the good in people and eventually forgive them. I mean, do you think Police Office Kuririn is just gonna stroll on by and put some handcuffs on Vegeta and escort him to jail to await trial? Even if Vegeta were to play along, he could literally escape at any moment and there's really nothing anyone could do short of killing him. Same goes for pretty much anyone who has ever done anything bad in Dragonball.

It's actually better in the long run that they were able to make Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, etc. into better people with their own methods than if they had tried anything other than killing those guys.

Goku, Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu can all easily kill Vegeta. Or lock him in the ROSAT.

[Kid Buu]

I guess so, but at least when Vegeta does dumb shit he usually does get some form of punishment for it. Certain other characters don't even get that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I know. So?

So, you are talking about Cell arc?

He gave so few shits about his family that he didn't even consider what would happen to them if Buu got out.

He still loves them, and that's why he wakes up and kills himself in order to protect them and the Earth.

Which is proven to be BS when he chooses to prioritize stroking his ego over protecting his loved ones.

No, he is balancing them. He doesn't use the easy way (Potara/Fusion/Gohan/Gotenks), but he still finds other, alternative, and more risky ways. He nearly ceased to exist so that Goku could gather energy to kill Boo (which would have been possible, if the time-limit in SS3 didn't exist, which they couldn't possibly know), and then he risked his life so that Goku could gather energy for the Genki Dama (which proved to work).

So, in other words, they're not all-knowing? The manga never presented them as omniscient.

Shenlong is stated to grant any wish, except for these that exceed the creator's power. Answering any question was never stated to be within the limitations.

No, just that Porunga for whatever reason doesn't consider him one. That wish seemed to apply solely to Babidi, since Pilaf and presumably others got to come back.

It's not for "whatever reason", it's for a specific reason: Vegeta is no longer a really bad guy. Pilaf is a gag character, and I really doubt that guys like those 2 killers that attacked Boo, Satan, and Bee were revived.

What? Since when?

Since when do good, or bad, but not really bad, persons want to kill others, or feel good about having killed others?

How?

A SSGod is created by having 5 righteous Saiyans giving their light to another righteous Saiyan.

[Zephyr]

Thats like an abuser saying "Sure I intentionally kicked your face in until your brain started spilling out but I did drive you to the hospital instead of letting you die so I think some thank yous are in order!"

I'm sorry but no lol. I'm a Vegeta fangirl but you don't get credit for helping to fix something you caused on purpose. It'd be different if Vegeta's mishaps weren't based in selfishness but they usually are.

If three people help to solve a problem, then they helped solve the problem. Whether one of them caused the problem is irrelevant. What they did before does not magically alter the nature of what is happening in the present, that is said individual helping to solve a problem. You can be the cause of a problem and contribute to the solution.

Let's say I make a boo-boo at work that causes the breakdown of a machine that is necessary to put on our show. I report it to the stage manager. She and I and a bunch of other techs gather around and just barely manage to fix the machine in time to get the show going on time. So at my next performance evaluation, do you think I should say, "Hey, remember that time I saved the day? You're welcome. I should probably get a promotion, right?" No, most likely in a best-case scenario the fact that I helped solve the problem I caused would allow me to break even, as in, it would have been the only thing that kept me from losing my job.

None of that changes the fact that you did in fact contribute to the fixing of the machine. We seem to be in agreement that you don't deserve praise for helping to fix it, but you did help to fix it, and that's a fact.

I'm not trying to imply that helping to solve the problem retroactively erases the fact that they caused it from history. I'm addressing the notion of "Vegeta literally did nothing to solve the Buu problem throughout the arc".

God himself said Vegeta would to Hell. That's just about as concrete as it gets.

Piccolo said that closer to the beginning of the arc. And before the 2008 Special. And Before Battle of Gods.

Is he still going to hell after all of that? Maybe, maybe not. Well hey, say hi to speculation! Not nearly as concrete as you're making it out to be.

He didn't help solve it

Giving Trunks and Goten to Piccolo so they could escape helped ensure Gotenks would come about. Appearing on Earth helped stall Buu from blowing Earth up. Fusing with Goku helped remove Buu's absorptions. Coming up with the Genki Dama plan that killed Buu. All of this worked sequentially to result in Buu's demise.

Ignore his "self preservation" motivation that I know you'll bring up. That's not relevant to whether or not these actions had positive consequences. They did. Yes, next you will probably bring up how the things we got from Vegeta's actions here weren't the most efficient way to stop Buu. It doesn't matter, it still helped stop Buu. His actions still contributed to the defeat of Buu, therefore he contributed to the solution.

You can't really be called a help if, instead of actually help to solve the problem, you continually serve as a detriment.

Committing the fallacy of False Dichotomy here. He can do both. I don't see how this is at all difficult for anyone here to understand.

[RandomGuy96]

So, you are talking about Cell arc?

No, I'm talking about the Buu arc.

He still loves them, and that's why he wakes up and kills himself in order to protect them and the Earth.

If he loved them, he wouldn't [insert everything Vegeta did]. Not to mention that, even if he does love them, that's irrelevant.

No, he is balancing them. He doesn't use the easy way (Potara/Fusion/Gohan/Gotenks), but he still finds other, alternative, and more risky ways. He nearly ceased to exist so that Goku could gather energy to kill Boo (which would have been possible, if the time-limit in SS3 didn't exist, which they couldn't possibly know), and then he risked his life so that Goku could gather energy for the Genki Dama (which proved to work).

Which, again, proves he's a selfish jackass who prioritizes stroking his own ego over everything else.

Shenlong is stated to grant any wish, except for these that exceed the creator's power. Answering any question was never stated to be within the limitations.

No limits fallacy. Shenron doesn't know everything, and Porunga isn't Shenron. For example, I doubt Shenron knew Piccolo would kill him.

It's not for "whatever reason", it's for a specific reason: Vegeta is no longer a really bad guy. Pilaf is a gag character, and I really doubt that guys like those 2 killers that attacked Boo, Satan, and Bee were revived.

Again, that's wrong. He just doesn't fit Porunga's arbitrary criteria for "really, REALLY bad guy". He's still a bad guy. Pilaf being a gag character has nothing to do with it.

Since when do good, or bad, but not really bad, persons want to kill others, or feel good about having killed others?

All the time? You can have negative thoughts yet still be a fine person.

A SSGod is created by having 5 righteous Saiyans giving their light to another righteous Saiyan.

Which indicates that the ritual was BS, like BOG in general, and that Buu was the voice of reason.

Piccolo said that closer to the beginning of the arc. And before the 2008 Special. And Before Battle of Gods.

Is he still going to hell after all of that? Maybe, maybe not. Well hey, say hi to speculation! Not nearly as concrete as you're making it out to be.

Except he didn't actually do anything that would change his fate in the few hours between his death and the end of the arc. He continued to be a prick. If his suicide explosion wasn't enough for God to even consider the slightest possibility that he wouldn't go to hell, then none of what he did at the end of the arc would qualify.

Giving Trunks and Goten to Piccolo so they could escape helped ensure Gotenks would come about. Appearing on Earth helped stall Buu from blowing Earth up. Fusing with Goku helped remove Buu's absorptions. Coming up with the Genki Dama plan that killed Buu. All of this worked sequentially to result in Buu's demise.

These are all indirect effects of his actions. You may as well give Cell credit for stopping Majin Buu, since he forced the heroes to get stronger. Except, unlike Vegeta, Cell wasn't around to actively sabotage everyone's efforts to stop Buu.

Ignore his "self preservation" motivation that I know you'll bring up. That's not relevant to whether or not these actions had positive consequences. They did. Yes, next you will probably bring up how the things we got from Vegeta's actions here weren't the most efficient way to stop Buu. It doesn't matter, it still helped stop Buu. His actions still contributed to the defeat of Buu, therefore he contributed to the solution.

Okay, so he indirectly contributed to solving a problem that he caused and which could have been solved more quickly if he hadn't bothered to get involved at all. How does that make him a good guy, again?

Committing the fallacy of False Dichotomy here. He can do both. I don't see how this is at all difficult for anyone here to understand.

And you don't think that doing three massively evil things, for example, cancels out one minor, indirect good deed?

[VegettoEX]

These types of long, excessive, line-by-line breakdowns/tearaparts don't really foster an actual conversation, and actually go against the community guidelines.

[Gaffer Tape]

Committing the fallacy of False Dichotomy here. He can do both. I don't see how this is at all difficult for anyone here to understand.

We understand it. The problem is that you're considering such facts in isolation from their context. In other words, from a point of view, in order for one to be considered to be positively contributing to a situation, the net gain has to be taken into account. In the hypothetical situation I outlined, it is true that I positively contributed to a bad situation... if that fact is taken out of context. There was a problem. I helped solve it. Sounds pretty positive until you consider that, if you take me out of the equation entirely, at best, the outcome would not be any different, and the net gain is nonexistent. At worst, had I not created the problem in the first place, I and the others involved could have spent our collective and individual time on more worthwhile tasks including but not limited to tasks that might have helped prevent other catastrophes, so that the end result of my combined efforts is a net loss of productivity. So, yeah. I can do both. I did do both. So can and did Vegeta. But looking at the bigger picture, our losses cancel out our gains.

[Ashelia]

If three people help to solve a problem, then they helped solve the problem. Whether one of them caused the problem is irrelevant. What they did before does not magically alter the nature of what is happening in the present, that is said individual helping to solve a problem. You can be the cause of a problem and contribute to the solution.

You can be both as many people are but Vegeta isn't as he's not even mindful of what he did wrong. He's not fixing his mistakes or making amends he's trying to win back his pride, its pure selfishness which is the root of the original problem. Its just a lucky coincidence that his target is usually a villain except when he went Majin, again not helping. Admittedly after this he actively tries to help save people (in the most bare minimum of ways cause "waaah my pride"), instead of just trying to repair his own ego but up until then he wasn't helpful nor was even trying to be. Entertaining? Hell yes but helpful? Good god no. He's dead even in the end.

So, yeah. I can do both. I did do both. So can and did Vegeta. But looking at the bigger picture, our losses cancel out our gains.

Thank you.

[Zephyr]

Except he didn't actually do anything that would change his fate in the few hours between his death and the end of the arc.

And his increased domestication on Earth as seen in the 2008 Special and BoG. Whether or not helping to defeat Buu counts as "doing anything to change his fate" is speculation. Piccolo didn't tell him he was going to hell after Buu was killed, during the 2008 Special, or BoG. The wish with Porunga implies that he's not totally evil anymore, and that can be interpreted as Toriyama giving exposition. Battle of Gods directly implies that he's good, as that's a requirement for him contributing to Super Saiyan God. Is Porunga meant to be exposition? Is Shenron saying that you need good Saiyans to create Super Saiyan God meant to be exposition? I'd say Occam's Razor indicates yes, rather than no. We're not given any reason after this to say "hey, Vegeta's still evil, look at what he's doing!", so calling their word into question seems superfluous to me.

You may as well give Cell credit for stopping Majin Buu, since he forced the heroes to get stronger.

Partially, sure why not? Only difference is that Cell wasn't performing actions that had an eventual positive outcome during the arc, unlike Vegeta. But I can see your point, Cell still went to Hell, thus, it may stand to reason that Vegeta would still go to Hell, in spite of the consequences of his actions having a positive outcome. That's a perfectly fair basis for arguing that Vegeta will still go to Hell. Though Cell never became domesticated and directly and deliberately cooperated with the heroes, so that's still not fully comparable.

@ Gaffer Tape:
In any context, "I positively contributed to a bad situation" is still a true statement, regarding that hypothetical situation. It's also a true statement that "I contributed negatively to a neutral situation".

With the Buu arc though, was there a net loss rather than gain? We have one less primordial evil out there. Goku is alive and with his family again (until Uub, of course). Mr. Satan actually now is at least somewhat deserving of his title. Vegeta's not going to sabotage things anymore out of a need to show that's better than Goku, as post-Buu stories so far indicate.

They're more prepared than ever, everyone's family is together again, etc. Just that justify almost everyone having to die and then come back? Maybe, maybe not. Everyone we see seems pretty happy about the eventual outcome, and the laymen had their memories of the ordeal erased. It seems to me like the status quo at the end of the arc is better for pretty much everyone than it was at the start.

[Kendamu]

Aside from executing all of their enemies, there's really nothing anyone in Dragon World can do besides bring out the good in people and eventually forgive them. I mean, do you think Police Office Kuririn is just gonna stroll on by and put some handcuffs on Vegeta and escort him to jail to await trial? Even if Vegeta were to play along, he could literally escape at any moment and there's really nothing anyone could do short of killing him. Same goes for pretty much anyone who has ever done anything bad in Dragonball.

It's actually better in the long run that they were able to make Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, etc. into better people with their own methods than if they had tried anything other than killing those guys.

Goku, Gohan, Gotenks, and Buu can all easily kill Vegeta. Or lock him in the ROSAT.

I'm not saying that Vegeta is unable to be killed. I'm saying that he's so powerful that killing him, as well as every other person who was ever a bad guy in Dragonball, is really the only way to get them to stop doing bad things aside from helping them become better people. Also, the RoSaT would only just be a way to eventually make one guy starve to death. Plus, by the end of the story anyone worth locking in there is strong enough to escape just like Buu did.

[RandomGuy96]

And his increased domestication on Earth as seen in the 2008 Special and BoG. Whether or not helping to defeat Buu counts as "doing anything to change his fate" is speculation. Piccolo didn't tell him he was going to hell after Buu was killed, during the 2008 Special, or BoG. The wish with Porunga implies that he's not totally evil anymore, and that can be interpreted as Toriyama giving exposition. Battle of Gods directly implies that he's good, as that's a requirement for him contributing to Super Saiyan God. Is Porunga meant to be exposition? Is Shenron saying that you need good Saiyans to create Super Saiyan God meant to be exposition? I'd say Occam's Razor indicates yes, rather than no. We're not given any reason after this to say "hey, Vegeta's still evil, look at what he's doing!", so calling their word into question seems superfluous to me.

I don't think it is. Toriyama is a lot more self-aware than people realize. Just because it looks like he's playing a cliche straight, that doesn't mean he is. For all we know, Vegeta going to Hell after supposedly atoning (because unlike the protagonists, the universe didn't forget about his victims) could be Toriyama's final punchline.

I'm not saying that Vegeta is unable to be killed. I'm saying that he's so powerful that killing him, as well as every other person who was ever a bad guy in Dragonball, is really the only way to get them to stop doing bad things aside from helping them become better people. Also, the RoSaT would only just be a way to eventually make one guy starve to death. Plus, by the end of the story anyone worth locking in there is strong enough to escape just like Buu did.

I'm not seeing the problem in killing him. Also, only Super Buu, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan would be strong enough to break out of the ROSAT. Anyone else, including Vegeta, has absolutely no hope of breaking out, as SS Gotenks couldn't.

[Zephyr]

For all we know, Vegeta going to Hell after supposedly atoning (because unlike the protagonists, the universe didn't forget about his victims) could be Toriyama's final punchline.

It could be. Battle of Gods still makes me think that's far from the case, for reasons already discussed.

[Kendamu]

What's wrong with killing Vegeta is that most people who have done bad things in Dragonball are the kind of people who, if given the opportunity, could turn over a new leaf and, a lot of the time, it turns out that they take that opportunity. Even Majin Buu almost became a good guy thanks to Mr. Satan and, thanks to Goku, even his evil half got reincarnated as a good guy. If the point was to kill off all the bad guys all the time and police the world (and eventually the galaxy) for wrongdoing like this was the Galactic Patrol or something, there still wouldn't be much of a Galactic Patrol to begin with because all the characters that started out as antagonists would've never been given an opportunity to become better people whether they were killed or not.

Bulma wanted to dupe Goku out of his Dragonball.
Yamcha and Puar were bandits.
Mutenroshi was a pervert who likes peeking at and feeling up naked underage girls. He still is, really.
Gyumaou was a feared monster of a man who lived in a castle with a hoard of treasure.
Krillin was a liar and cheat.
Lunch is a bipolar robber who shoots at anything that moves? She's probably killed a lot of people.
Tenshinhan and Chaozu were aspiring assassins meant to kill the Turtle School students at the Tenkaichi Budoukai.
Piccolo Jr. was out to kill Goku.
Vegeta wanted to steal the Dragonballs to become immortal.

Kind of a small cast after you decide that shoving a man in a room where he'll either starve to death in a couple days or become so incredibly strong that he goes back out the doorway and kills all the protagonists (all one of them since everyone else is a bad guy who deserves punishment) without much of a struggle is somehow a suitable punishment for somebody.

That's what's wrong with killing Vegeta. You live in a universe where death, for most people, is a temporary setback whether they know it or not (even Freeza's coming back!!) and you try to apply real life morals and punishments to people who you have no real way to punish aside from having someone stronger kill them. Even then, depending on which episodes of the anime you consider canon, they might end up getting reincarnated or they'll somehow keep their bodies and cause trouble in the Afterlife; which we're sure there is one that and that makes death in itself a lot less scary. If you go by what Goku sometimes does in the movies, he pretty much only stays in the Afterlife because it's the rules, not because he has no way to get back to the living world.

It's better in the long run to make sure they become good guys so that, whether they're alive or dead, they're not going to cause a bunch of trouble.

[goku the krump dancer]

I think one thing that people seem to glance over is that while Vegeta's decesion to go "Majin" may been selfish, he probably wouldn't have done it if Bobidi's goons didn't turn out to be so weak. The fight between Goku and Vegeta only happened because it's the one time they underestimated or didnt take heed to Kaioshin's warnings. Which, you kinda can't put the whole blame on them for doing so I mean, the whole time leading up to Vegeta getting the charm and Boo's hatching and the revelation that he (Boo) is far stronger and weirder than they ever imagined. Goku and co just blindly ate up and followed everything Kaioshin told them. They took heed to just about everything he said only to realize that these bad guys he was so afraid of weren't all that menacing at the end of the day. Hell, when Dabra finishes his suprise ambush, Kaioshin says that the only way to free Piccolo and Krillin is to kill the Demon King and Goku's instant responce was "ha, piece of cake". Then durring their fight while Goku is starting to consider stopping to go fight Boo Vegeta mentions how they've gotten too powerful and that those guys weren't a threat and that even the gods fear their power. Sure it may have been Vegeta trying to ignore Boo's increasing presence and power but it was still the truth. Goku was still willing to take up Kaioshin's warnings about Boo but Vegeta had already made his mind up and even started killing people so he really had no other choice BUT to fight even though he was hesitant at first.

[ABED]

It's better in the long run to make sure they become good guys so that, whether they're alive or dead, they're not going to cause a bunch of trouble.

Most of the people you name are small timers compared to Vegeta. Roshi's perversion, Kuririn's cheating, and Yamcha's kleptomania are . You've unfairly equivocated all of that with mass murder and genocide. Vegeta has been terrible up until the end. If he had been left dead at the end of the Freeza arc or at least not allowed to stay on Earth, Cell wouldn't have reached his final form and Buu wouldn't have been revived. He's caused more problems than he's solved.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No, I'm talking about the Buu arc.

So, when did he "he repeatedly abused his son and nearly killed his wife more than once"? You are making it sound as if Vegeta is a devil husband/father that is beating his family.

If he loved them, he wouldn't [insert everything Vegeta did]. Not to mention that, even if he does love them, that's irrelevant.

Sure, Vegeta is lying to himself, and doesn't love his family...

Which, again, proves he's a selfish jackass who prioritizes stroking his own ego over everything else.

He is taking much greater risks by doing that though. He went through the hard way instead of the easy way. Which may be stupid, but not an evil act.

No limits fallacy. Shenron doesn't know everything, and Porunga isn't Shenron. For example, I doubt Shenron knew Piccolo would kill him.

As I explained, they are not actually all knowing (my mistake for saying so), but they can know everything you ask them. So, if Porunga says that Vegeta isn't a really bad guy anymore, then he isn't an evil bad guy anymore.

Again, that's wrong. He just doesn't fit Porunga's arbitrary criteria for "really, REALLY bad guy". He's still a bad guy. Pilaf being a gag character has nothing to do with it.

Why is he still a bad guy? And why is Pilaf in Boo arc a really bad guy?

All the time? You can have negative thoughts yet still be a fine person.

So, a fine person feels nice for committing murder, not to mention multiple genocides?

Which indicates that the ritual was BS, like BOG in general, and that Buu was the voice of reason.

So, "BoG is BS because I don't like it". Great way to prove me wrong.