The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

1. Android arc Piccolo [pre-Kami] vs. SSJ Yardrat Goku

2. potara Trunten SSJ vs. SSJ 2 Gogeta

[Darkron2151]

1. Android arc Piccolo [pre-Kami] vs. SSJ Yardrat Goku

2. potara Trunten SSJ vs. SSJ 2 Gogeta

1. I don't see Piccolo surpassing all of the previously shown Super Saiyans just because of Krillin's statements and Piccolo's "confidence". Especially after Kami's remark about using Future Trunks as a measuring stick when Piccolo fails to even phase 17. Something like, "Of course you couldn't do anything to the Androids. Trunks couldn't, and he beat Freez and his father without a problem", from what I remember. I don't necessarily have him weak either, around Mecha Freeza/Namek SSJ Goku-Level.

2. As far as comparisons go, IMO, Vegetto is to Trunten as Gogeta is to Gotenks. If Super Vegetto can take Gogeta without a problem, so can Super Trunten.

I wonder if Vegeta even needs Trunks' help, he didn't make a remark on Cell's power while he did with Merged Piccolo.

Actually, both Vegeta and Trunks make a comment on both Piccolo and Cell's ki when they're both together fighting, describing them as "huge kis" or "huge powers" or something like that. And considering Cell didn't do too bad against Weighted Piccolo, he may be as strong if not just a little bit stronger than Vegeta IMO.

[Kamiccolo9]

Actually, both Vegeta and Trunks make a comment on both Piccolo and Cell's ki when they're both together fighting, describing them as "huge kis" or "huge powers" or something like that. And considering Cell didn't do too bad against Weighted Piccolo, he may be as strong if not just a little bit stronger than Vegeta IMO.

Vegeta called Cell's ki "absurdly huge." I'm not sure what Trunks referred to it as.

[mysticboy]

Bayonetta and Asura run a Dragon Ball (entire series) gantlet. How far will they go?

[Lord Beerus]

Bayonetta and Asura run a Dragon Ball (entire series) gantlet. How far will they go?

Bayonetta would make it to the Saiyan Arc before hitting a wall. More specifically going against Vegeta. Asura could dominate the Dragon Ball universe before having to break a sweat against Super Boo. But in his Mantra Form he could overcome any version of Majin Boo and in his Destructor Form, he could wreck the strongest characters DBZ has to offer. In his Destructor Form, he could also wreck anyone in his path GT... until he reaches the Shadow Dragon Saga and Omega Shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta sneeze in his direction and he turns into dust.

[In Brightest Day]

Who is the weakest character from GT that could defeat the team of Whis, Lord Beerus, Super Saiyan God Goku, SSJ3 Buu arc Vegetto and Gohan-Buu?

I'm just trying to confirm how much I truly hate GT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Probably Super Baby Vegeta 2 or SSJ 4 Goku

[In Brightest Day]

Oh, well that wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Would it be an easy victory or with difficulty, in your view?

[Darkron2151]

Vegeta called Cell's ki "absurdly huge." I'm not sure what Trunks referred to it as.

After Trunks, Vegeta, and pretty much all of the Z-Warriors sense Cell's power, and are shocked as to how they are sensing a bunch of different people's ki, Piccolo then powers up in front of Cell. Right after that, Trunks comments on Piccolo's power as "another huge ki" (depending on the translation). "Another" is the key word here, as it would mean that there's more than one "huge ki" out there, and Cell's ki was the one that was sensed last, not to mention it's the one Trunks is sensing at the moment in order to get to Ginger Town. So I guess you could say Trunks indirectly said Cell had a "huge ki" or something of that nature.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Uhh.. Can't really tell.

All I know is Super Baby Vegeta [1] >> Super Vegetto

then his power ups are said to be pseudo Super Saiyan transformations, then he gets great ape on top of that.

At the very least SSJ 4 Goku <=> SSJ 3 Vegetto

[RandomGuy96]

Base GT Goku > Beerus + Whis Potara fusion + Elder Kaioshin's power-up + Kaio-ken x20

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Base GT Goku > Beerus + Whis Potara fusion + Elder Kaioshin's power-up + Kaio-ken x20

I'd like to see some in depth analysis to back up that Base GT Goku psychotic mega power boost.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

GT Goku >= GT Pan > everyone else

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I personally have Base GT Goku about 20x stronger than Base Buu Saga Goku.

If he's stronger than his SSJ3 Buu Saga power level, he'd have to be 500x stronger. I also have a firm belief that the stronger you become, the harder it is to get stronger.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

He fought on par with Rild in base who was said to be stronger than Buuhan

[RandomGuy96]

Base GT Goku > Beerus + Whis Potara fusion + Elder Kaioshin's power-up + Kaio-ken x20

I'd like to see some in depth analysis to back up that Base GT Goku psychotic mega power boost.

He tanked Omega Shenron.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Base GT Goku > Beerus + Whis Potara fusion + Elder Kaioshin's power-up + Kaio-ken x20

I'd like to see some in depth analysis to back up that Base GT Goku psychotic mega power boost.

He tanked Omega Shenron.

Do the DBZ Super Saiyan multipliers apply in GT then? If SSJ4 Goku could barely handle Omega Shenron himself, how could Base Kid Goku tank a ki blast while building the Spirit Bomb? I didn't think TOEI was factoring that into GT. We've seen moments where Base Vegeta or someone else charges toward an opponent, and SSJ/SSJ2 do not even tip the scales.

[RandomGuy96]

Do the DBZ Super Saiyan multipliers apply in GT then? If SSJ4 Goku could barely handle Omega Shenron himself, how could Base Kid Goku tank a ki blast while building the Spirit Bomb? I didn't think TOEI was factoring that into GT. We've seen moments where Base Vegeta or someone else charges toward an opponent, and SSJ/SSJ2 do not even tip the scales.

SS4 Goku couldn't "barely handle" Omega Shenron. He got the shit kicked out of him by Omega Shenron.

[Saiga]

Goku gains strength at such an absurd rate in GT that he apparently regularly surpasses his higher forms. His base form on M2 was said to be stronger than his Super Saiyan form from earlier than that, he had surpassed his SS3 power in base, and his base goes from rivalling Rild to one-shotting Super Saiyan Gohan whose own base could rival Rild. He at least gets multiple 50x boosts during the course of GT.

Base Goku with the Genki Dama >>> SS4 Goku when fighting Omega.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Do the DBZ Super Saiyan multipliers apply in GT then?

Nope.

The common GT (sometimes used for Z fusions) multipliers are:

SSJ = 2.5x base
SSJ 2 = 1.5x SSJ / 3.75x base
SSJ 3 = 2x SSJ 2 / 7.5x base
SSJ 4 = potential unlock