Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by SaiyaJedi » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:15 am

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:EDIT 2: Was just searching photos on Twitter...
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https://twitter.com/oozaru0817/status/5 ... 88/photo/1
Does this contain anything interesting? It's from 8 days ago, no idea where it's from either.
Looks like Cinecom Walker. Two years ago, that was where we first learned of Vegeta's dance routine and the spat with Buu over custard pudding; I wonder if there's anything of interest this time.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:04 am

sintzu wrote:Goku can turn into it without the ritual so the only one who needs it is Vegeta.
I thought the way it worked was that Goku could have power near SSJG but not quite as good in base and SSJ1 form, but to reach actual SSJG (which would be needed since Goku and Vegeta's ki would have to match to fuse them) he would need the ritual again.
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Post by Chuquita » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:32 am

SaiyaJedi wrote:
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:EDIT 2: Was just searching photos on Twitter...
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https://twitter.com/oozaru0817/status/5 ... 88/photo/1
Does this contain anything interesting? It's from 8 days ago, no idea where it's from either.
Looks like Cinecom Walker. Two years ago, that was where we first learned of Vegeta's dance routine and the spat with Buu over custard pudding; I wonder if there's anything of interest this time.
Cinecom Walker? When's that magazine's release date?
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Post by EmmaWinters » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:50 am

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sintzu wrote:Goku can turn into it without the ritual so the only one who needs it is Vegeta.
I thought the way it worked was that Goku could have power near SSJG but not quite as good in base and SSJ1 form, but to reach actual SSJG (which would be needed since Goku and Vegeta's ki would have to match to fuse them) he would need the ritual again.
His interview in the Battle of Gods animanga didn't seem to imply that his god-absorbed state would be any weaker.
Akira Toriyama in the [url=http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/]Battle of Gods Animanga[/url] wrote:Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:22 am

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sintzu wrote:Goku can turn into it without the ritual so the only one who needs it is Vegeta.
I thought the way it worked was that Goku could have power near SSJG but not quite as good in base and SSJ1 form, but to reach actual SSJG (which would be needed since Goku and Vegeta's ki would have to match to fuse them) he would need the ritual again.
At the end of BOG he used the form again without the ritual.

In terms of power he doesn't need it but as of now to absorb an attack like he did with Beerus' he needs to be in the form.
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Post by Chuquita » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:28 am

And I very much wish to see that form again (pink lightning in the back drop of the db15 page please don't let me down).

If we have no new screenshots, I'm fine if this Cinecom Walker reveals some plot hints instead.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:15 am

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FatNagger69 wrote:I honestly don't see him getting beaten.
Freeza isn't like Beerus. Beerus is just a dick god, while Freeza is a pure evil tyrant, he shouldn't stay alive, it would be like letting a serial-killer free to do whatever he wants. So, I think that Freeza will definitely be killed.
Well Toriyama didn't kill the main villain in the 2008 Jump Special and Battle of Gods then I doubt he will kill off Freeza. Either Freeza escapes from Earth or they trap him into another dimension if he becomes too strong and immortal. Killing off Freeza would be too obvious.
But Ado & Kado were silly weak villains, and Beerus wasn't exactly a bad guy. Freeza is a real motherfucker, and he will apparently become one of the most powerful beings.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by JamesOwnz » Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:43 am

I'm really back and forth on how they will handle Freeza's final fate.

Killing him again does seem kind of obvious yes, but I also can't really see them going "Well you may have one this round Goku but i'll be back!" *Shakes fist menacingly.*

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:00 am

JamesOwnz wrote:I'm really back and forth on how they will handle Freeza's final fate.

Killing him again does seem kind of obvious yes, but I also can't really see them going "Well you may have one this round Goku but i'll be back!" *Shakes fist menacingly.*
And we are going to see Freeza return for a fourth freaking time?! I like Freeza, but this is getting old. Freeza doesn't have to survive in order to affect the events of the story after the movie. In every arc in the manga, the villains die and make a huge impact in the events, and even BoG made a big impact to the events of the story.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:10 am

You know, thinking about Freeza's fate...I wonder how much of a mark the results of this movie will make on the DB universe as a whole? And I mean that literally, their place in the universe, not the 'universe' as we see it.

I mean, think about it - Freeza was the last thing that the galaxy in the DB universe seems to have recognized. The Androids and Cell were practically a non-entity, having only affected Earth; nobody remembered Boo, and since all of those events take place over the course of what, two days I think it was? Nobody in the DB universe seems to have noted that event taking place too.

But Freeza coming back? Assuming that it's not kept secret somehow, that's going to be big news throughout the cosmos, so whatever happens to him here now...that's also gonna be big news.
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Post by EmmaWinters » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:11 am

JamesOwnz wrote:I'm really back and forth on how they will handle Freeza's final fate. Killing him again does seem kind of obvious yes, but I also can't really see them going "Well you may have one this round Goku but i'll be back!" *Shakes fist menacingly.*
Let's look at what we know.

• The poster implies that he somehow acquires God ki.
• His wish on Namek (不老不死) was written on the fan he was holding in the Jump Festa postcard, alongside his 530,000 battle power.
• The postcard shows the Ginyu Tokusentai, who were recently mentioned on the official website in the New Year's recording (as part of a joke).
"The worst wish in history. That is the beginning of despair", and "Of course, he hasn’t merely been revived".

I mentioned this early last month, but I think Freeza's going to end up taking over for Beerus.
Of course, with next to no information on the movie, this is obviously conjecture.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:25 am

FatNagger69 wrote:• The poster implies that he somehow acquires God ki.
I doubt Freeza will become a god. We know that Freeza will become stronger through training & through a new transformation, so making him a god on top of that seems unnecessary. Plus, what kind of god would he become? He is a mutant, so he doesn't have a race or a planet to be a god to (like Kami or the Super Saiyan God), and I really doubt that Whis would make someone like Freeza the Hakaishin, nor would Freeza want to take his place, since Freeza doesn't want to sleep for decades and then wake up & destroy stuff, he wants to do business & rule others, and destroy those who oppose him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:31 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:since Freeza doesn't want to sleep for decades and then wake up & destroy stuff, he wants to do business & rule others, and destroy those who oppose him.
I doubt the 'sleeping for decades' thing is really a requirement for the God of Destruction to do though; that's likely just something that Beerus does cuz, you know, he's a cat. :P

I would imagine that there might be some kind of 'cosmic law' that says the GoD has to take it easy and not just destroy everything all of the time, so as to give the Kaios time to balance things out on the 'Creation' side...but then again, with how strong Beerus is and how strong likely any God of Destruction might be, and the fact that there doesn't really seem to be anyone that strong on the Creation side, who's really gonna stop him?
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Post by EmmaWinters » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:33 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I doubt Freeza will become a god. We know that Freeza will become stronger through training & through a new transformation, so making him a god on top of that seems unnecessary.
You're right, the training aspect slipped my mind.
While god ki isn't guaranteed, the poster is deliberately leading us in that direction.

Hopefully we'll get something new to work with soon.
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Post by MagicBox » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:39 am

Boy, I hope they don't make Freeza the new God of Destruction, and the reason I'm so worried is because that actually sounds like something they would do. I mean, he'd be great at the job. I'm sure he'd enjoy it. I just think it's far too late in the game to give him that kind of turnaround. Unlike Vegeta, who switched from "villain" to "anti-hero" once he arrived on Namek, Freeza has never been given any sort of redeemable qualities. We've never had an instance in which we've rooted for him. A big change like that would be a little jarring for me.

It's the same conflict a lot of people have been feeling since the movie's announcement. I don't want Freeza's revival to be for nothing, so I want the movie to do something interesting with him. But at the same time, nothing is as satisfying as his original defeat, so I definitely don't want that "Hey, want a job?" ending.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:04 pm

FatNagger69 wrote:While god ki isn't guaranteed, the poster is deliberately leading us in that direction.
Well, that's only because he has an aura similar to Super Saiyan God. Which doesn't really mean anything, since gods don't have a specific aura like Super Saiyans (look at Beerus' aura, or at God Goku's aura in base & SS). What the poster could "imply" is that Freeza will become a Super Saiyan God, but we know that's not gonna happen. :P I think they just gave Freeza a cool new aura, it doesn't even look exactly like SSGod Goku's aura in the trailer.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:22 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:You know, thinking about Freeza's fate...I wonder how much of a mark the results of this movie will make on the DB universe as a whole? And I mean that literally, their place in the universe, not the 'universe' as we see it.

I mean, think about it - Freeza was the last thing that the galaxy in the DB universe seems to have recognized. The Androids and Cell were practically a non-entity, having only affected Earth; nobody remembered Boo, and since all of those events take place over the course of what, two days I think it was? Nobody in the DB universe seems to have noted that event taking place too.

But Freeza coming back? Assuming that it's not kept secret somehow, that's going to be big news throughout the cosmos, so whatever happens to him here now...that's also gonna be big news.
By having an impact, I meant mostly the impact the events had on the main characters. After every arc, and BoG, the heroes learn new techniques, they grow stronger on a whole new level, and they sometimes get character development. It's not just "Bad guy attacks! Bad guy is dead!" like it's in Toei's movies, and I doubt this will be the case in FnF either.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I doubt the 'sleeping for decades' thing is really a requirement for the God of Destruction to do though; that's likely just something that Beerus does cuz, you know, he's a cat. :P
I think Toriyama plays with that idea, but I think this would apply to every Hakaishin, since the way Beerus works is "sleep for years, wake up & destroy stuff, sleep again". Maybe this is just the way Beerus works, but personally, I think this is how every Hakaishin worked.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I would imagine that there might be some kind of 'cosmic law' that says the GoD has to take it easy and not just destroy everything all of the time, so as to give the Kaios time to balance things out on the 'Creation' side...but then again, with how strong Beerus is and how strong likely any God of Destruction might be, and the fact that there doesn't really seem to be anyone that strong on the Creation side, who's really gonna stop him?
Definitely, I would say. The point of the Sozoshin & the Hakaishin is to keep balance, if you have an asshole that destroys the universe as a Hakaishin, then the balance is destroyed, which is against the duties of the Hakaishin.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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