Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Hellspawn28]

Bringing back Freeza and killing him off to me seems such a waste. Knowing Toriyama, he will likely keep Freeza alive at the end of movie. He didn't kill off Beerus after all.

[Big Momma]

If anyone is interested in hearing what "Momoiro Clover Z" sounds like, they just released this music video. It's a collab with, uh....KISS.

.....huh.




But honestly I think it sounds awesome

[KaiserNeko]

Bringing back Freeza and killing him off to me seems such a waste. Knowing Toriyama, he will likely keep Freeza alive at the end of movie. He didn't kill off Beerus after all.

Beerus is a completely different animal, though.

Beerus isn't necessarily evil; he seems to belong very much in the Neutral territory. He's also an integral part in the universe; he has a firmly established role in a hierarchy, held from time immemorial. He doesn't seek to cause harm out of malice or greed, though he does seem to have a childish streak of impulsion and gluttony that ends up with rash decisions made on his part, which ultimately do in the death of many innocents. That being said, it's hard to place him as "evil".

Freeza on the other hand is unarguably evil and destructive toward the whole of creation, and any manner of redemption on his part would never come off as entirely sincere, either on his behalf or on the behalf of the writer, I believe. I would agree that his resurrection comes off as unnecessary and almost pointless at face value, to a certain extent, especially if they just were to kill him off again. However, I do believe that something legitimately interesting could be told here if we give it a chance. I can certainly see justification in his death if it were, say... at the hands of Vegeta, a character that sorely deserves it after suffering endless humiliation at Freeza's hands.

So, here's hoping the writers have the balls to take the win from Goku and give it to Vegeta. God knows he deserves a win at this point.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder if Freeza will blow up a planet again, ala Namek? It would be a lot of fun to see Shida Naotoshi get to show off his fire effects animation on a movie scale.

[Mewzard]

It could not only be a point for Vegeta to grow, but also Freeza. Imagine if Vegeta ends up on a similar point that Goku did, and spared Freeza's life, but rather than rashly let himself die due to his pride being smashed...he could decide to fight another day. Maybe between his years being gone and possible training...he'd appreciate the fight more than the win (though totally still want to win next time).

Probably not going to happen, but hey, it's an interesting thought. Freeza can return again one day, after fathering Kuriza. I wonder how Krillin would feel knowing Freeza semi-named his kid after himself.

[KaiserNeko]

It could not only be a point for Vegeta to grow, but also Freeza. Imagine if Vegeta ends up on a similar point that Goku did, and spared Freeza's life, but rather than rashly let himself die due to his pride being smashed...he could decide to fight another day. Maybe between his years being gone and possible training...he'd appreciate the fight more than the win (though totally still want to win next time).

Probably not going to happen, but hey, it's an interesting thought. Freeza can return again one day, after fathering Kuriza. I wonder how Krillin would feel knowing Freeza semi-named his kid after himself.

I honestly think that Freeza living through this movie would be a mistake. Vegeta becoming a good guy I understand. While he was always a calculated, vicious murdering bastard up until the point of his death, his development showed that he had the capacity to embrace a better life. Freeza spent his entire life murdering and ruling people, showing absolutely no remorse, even when he was effectively sitting atop a throne of bodies, untouched by any and everyone. He's a villain, through and through, and has never had any interest in changing himself, nor shown the capacity. Redemption on his part, in any manner, would actually ruin the character for me, and having him become a recurring villain would be almost as bad. Even Goku knows better than to let Freeza live at this point, and I know Vegeta sure as hell wouldn't allow it. Especially in the case that Freeza finds no meaningful redemption.

[Chuquita]

If my time weren't limited this afternoon, I'd so take a crack at scanning through that movie magazine text, despite it being super-tiny. I want that pattern that Julian eluded to to be true, that there is plot info in there.

[FindKenshi]

Freeza doesn't have to be redeemed to survive... he could escape and become a recurring threat.

[KaiserNeko]

Freeza doesn't have to be redeemed to survive... he could escape and become a recurring threat.

But that doesn't change my point. That doesn't suit Freeza's character at all, and Goku knows better than to let a character like that go alive. Vegeta does as well. Especially if Freeza doesn't redeem himself in any meaningful way.

[voltlunok]

Freeza doesn't have to be redeemed to survive... he could escape and become a recurring threat.

And then he would become Lord Zedd. A cool villain who slowly becomes less and less cool each time he is defeated by the good guys. I see no way for Freeza to survive this movie without seeming like a stretch.

[KaiserNeko]

Freeza doesn't have to be redeemed to survive... he could escape and become a recurring threat.

And then he would become Lord Zedd. A cool villain who slowly becomes less and less cool each time he is defeated by the good guys. I see no way for Freeza to survive this movie without seeming like a stretch.

Precisely what I'm trying to get at. I have no interest in watching one of animation's most classic villains being reduced to that.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Why are ANN calling this Dragon Ball Z: The F in Fukkatsu? That sounds very odd.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Freeza doesn't have to be redeemed to survive... he could escape and become a recurring threat.

But that doesn't change my point. That doesn't suit Freeza's character at all, and Goku knows better than to let a character like that go alive. Vegeta does as well. Especially if Freeza doesn't redeem himself in any meaningful way.

I agree with you in the sense that he shouldn't survive the film, but "Goku knows better than to let a character like that go alive"?

He DID try to let him go alive

[VegettoEX]

Why are ANN calling this Dragon Ball Z: The F in Fukkatsu? That sounds very odd.

Been mentioned a few times.

I can't figure it out. I've responded twice, the last of which included a quote from Toriyama literally saying that the "F" in the title is for "Freeza" (not to mention pointing out their own news article I was responding to also explained that the "F" came from "Freeza"). I've given every explanation I can. Perhaps I over-explained and just pushed them into a space where they don't want to acknowledge it.

It's neither a description of the title nor a translation of the title. It's (and I hate to actually use this word on the Internet) objectively wrong. It's nothing.

Other people are responding in each of their news threads now (perhaps unintentionally provoked by me?), and there's just this vague response about there not being an official translation so...

[UltimateHammerBro]

I'm curious, because I've never really understood where all the fuss over the title originated. I don't know any Japanese, yet I've been told that the "no" particle is more or less similar to the English possesive " 's", in terms of word structure.
So wouldn't it be something similar to "Fukkatsu's F", as in "Resurrection's F" or "Revival's F"? To be honest, when I first read the title, I thought it was "The F in Fukkatsu", as if we were to say "the word Fukkatsu starts with F", something which isn't so obvious in Japanese and also serves to mention Freeza. If it was "Revival of F", wouldn't it be "F no Fukkatsu"?

I'd like someone to explain this to me, because I'm pretty puzzled.
Btw, I'm not questioning the translation you've chosen because it's obviously been done by someone who does speak Japanese, but I'm really curious about it because it has served to prove me wrong in one of the two or three things I thought I actually knew about the Japanese language

[Low Tone G]

My thoughts:

If Toriyama intents to sustain a fair consistency with earlier Battle of Gods movie, at least, he should:

- Have God ki something to be above normal one, and something that can not be sensed only bt oher Gods.
- Have Freeza becomming a God if he wants to put him on par with Goku, Beerus and Whis.
- Have Freeza to unlock the form via special ways: high-tech or magic, not only by training a bit.

My predictions:

Freeza will have enough time to train himself to be a real threat for Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Mr. Buu, cuz according to Piccolo statement he is a different league, as God Goku(who is a different dimension we can say) and Vegeta are not present in that moment on Earth(more than likely). So with simple traning Freeza should compete the strongest fusion, Vegetto, at least. Then his minions will find a way to upgrade him via magic or high-tech to have God ki to cause real problems. He will become enough strong to leave Vegeta no choice other than to become a God himself after Goku get beaten up. Vegeta will somehow become a God with the help of other Saiyans, but it's also possible that Whis could find at a certain point of time a way to upgrade Vegeta himself as he has an experience in the creation of a Saiyan God, as he saw the Goku's case. Maybe Vegeta will be able to put up a better fight, but ultimately will loose the form and power at once, so Beerus will want to avoid nuisances and decides to punish Freeza, but ultimately does not manage to beat him, so Whis will find a way to postpone the fight, even though he would have had the power to defeat Freeza, but decides to not make justice as he is not concerned directly. He will opn a gate between universes to seal Freeza away, but tells Goku and Vegeta to wait for a revenge, as Freeza won't stay sealed for too long - I imagine Whis will seal him in a wormhole or something to avoid to cause danger for other universes. -

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I agree with you in the sense that he shouldn't survive the film, but "Goku knows better than to let a character like that go alive"?

He DID try to let him go alive

And he learned his mistake. He killed Freeza & Cold (or would have, if Trunks hadn't interfered), had no problem with Gohan killing the Cell Jrs, even yelled at Gohan for not killing Cell, didn't have a problem with Vegeta killing Pui Pui, killed Yakon with a smile, and trained Goten & Trunks to kill Boo, and eventually killed Boo by himself. Goku has went past the "No, you don't have to kill him!" phase, he is fine now with killing bad guys.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Why are ANN calling this Dragon Ball Z: The F in Fukkatsu? That sounds very odd.

Been mentioned a few times.

I can't figure it out. I've responded twice, the last of which included a quote from Toriyama literally saying that the "F" in the title is for "Freeza" (not to mention pointing out their own news article I was responding to also explained that the "F" came from "Freeza"). I've given every explanation I can. Perhaps I over-explained and just pushed them into a space where they don't want to acknowledge it.

It's neither a description of the title nor a translation of the title. It's (and I hate to actually use this word on the Internet) objectively wrong. It's nothing.

Other people are responding in each of their news threads now (perhaps unintentionally provoked by me?), and there's just this vague response about there not being an official translation so...

Oh right fair enough, I guess it will be a lost cause pestering them to change it then. Fortunately, I haven't seen anyone else use that title.

[andr1y7]

Regarding Freeza's fate, somone mentioned in this thread something like this previously and I'm 100% on board with the idea: Freeza dies (after all, the whole point of the character was that he was irredeemable), but our heroes aren't satisfied after the battle. I don't know what, but I think that something should change for the worse as a result of this battle. This can, of course, be the catalyst for a new movie.

[VegettoEX]

I'd like someone to explain this to me, because I'm pretty puzzled.

Fair warning: Julian and Jake are our translators. I'm just me.

The title of the film is: 復活 の「Ｆ」. That's Fukkatsu no "F".

Fukkatsu means "rebirth" or "revival" or "resurrection". It's the same word that was used in DBZ Movie 12's title, 復活のフュージョン！！悟空とベジータ (Fukkatsu no Fyūjon!! Gokū to Bejīta), which we've translated as "The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta". For what it's worth (and it's not, really), it's one of the only DBZ movie titles FUNimation actually translated (as opposed to something like "Lord Slug" or some such), and they went with "Fusion Reborn".

The "no" particle (の) indicates a possessive. You have things like 未来のトランクス (Mirai no Torankusu) where the character of Trunks (トランクス) is from / belongs to (の) the future (未来). There's also the 精神と時の部屋 (Seishin to Toki no Heya), or the "Room of Spirit and Time", where "Spirit" (精神) and (と) "Time" (時) belong to (の) the "Room" (部屋).

It can get weird, though, because Japanese isn't exactly the same as English. In the aforementioned DBZ Movie 12 title, the act of fusion can't really "belong" to a rebirth. It makes more sense in Japanese than it does in English. So you get things like "Revival of Fusion" or "Fusion Reborn" or our "The Rebirth of Fusion"... all of which actually make sense in English and still accurately indicate a possessive/"belonging-ness" to each other.

The "F" in the new movie title is from Freeza. We know this for a fact. The whole point is that Maximum the Hormone's song named "F" gave Toriyama the backward-inspiration to title/frame/write the movie (and its own title) in a way to reference that song and in turn Freeza himself.

That the romanization of fukkatsu begins with the letter "F" using our alphabet is incidental and irrelevant. The "F" in the new movie's title does not reference or stand for "fukkatsu" in any way.

If you really need it spelled out for you, Toriyama (who not only is responsible for the movie's story but also its title) literally said:

「Ｆ」はフリーザのＦです。

We translated that as "The 'F' stands for 'Freeza'" but what it's literally saying is that Freeza's "F" (フリーザの「Ｆ」) is (は) the "F" here (Ｆです).

Now, it just makes absolutely no sense to phrase it in English that it's "Revival's F" or something like that. But it's clear how the two concepts (a "revival" and the character/person/name of "F") work together: the "F" is a part of / is the "revival" going on. Thus, we can go with something like "Revival of 'F'" with no problem.

It's hard for me to get this across without sounding absolutely irate, but I don't really mean to be. It's just that it's so basic that I'm kinda flabbergasted how (1) someone could get it wrong, and (2) why there's this random/vague/arbitrary insistence on staying with something that's wrong until there's an "official" translation.

I don't know what else to do or say other than just repeat and appeal to you/them/everyone that "The F in Fukkatsu" is neither a description nor a translation of the title in Japanese (nor is "F Is For Fukkatsu", another one they've gone with).