The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[singsing]

Power levels are bullshit, but let's just say GT power levels are even more bullshit and be done with that . Actually impossible to determine how strong characters are. You get stuff like Goku > Omega > Goku > Syn > Goku > Oob > Pan > Goku > Goku > Goku

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

This video sums up GT power scaling perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kApU-3s-6h0

As Kaboom said, none of that is definitive, unless taken in a very specific way, that is by no means necessary.

Sorry to get back to this late, but I found this:

Ockham's razor dictates it takes more faith to assume a main character like Goku would lie or be wrong about pretty much anything as significant as this. When authors write a story they do not usually intend for the audience to be skeptical of statements that push the plot along. Imagine if people claimed Gandalf was lying at the beginning about how to destroy Sauron because he hadn't proved it? Or that people doubted the Elder Wand was all-powerful just because we never saw it in action? Or that North Kaio really isn't stronger than Enma Daio? Or that Vegeta couldn't destroy Earth because he never did it?

This is same scenario. Goku is explaining how to save the world and we're supposed to take it at face value. If you are going to be skeptical of everything then you might as well stop reading fantasy fiction. Suspension of disbelief is what prevents us from questioning everything that isn't proven in a fantasy setting. It's what allows you to trust a narrator and characters serving as narrators: it's a fictional story, not real life.

The author could shift the story to contradict these claims for a surprise twist, but Toriyama never does so. When presented with an ample opportunity to discount Gotenks's power, Goku says:

Chapter: 493 (DBZ 299), P12.2-4
Kaioshin: “In-incredible…S-so this is Fusion?...”
Goku: “N-no…That’s Fusion, no doubt about it, but…Thi-this is Super Saiyan 3…! Un-unbelievable…Those rotten little brats…They al-already became Super Saiyan 3, and that took me years to finally manage it…Am-amazin’…haha…amazin’…!”
Note: So it seems that Goku never planned on Gotenks reaching Super Saiyan 3, but still thought he’d be able to defeat Boo (or at least that it was worth a shot).

So SSJ Gotenks pre > Fat Boo is fact

[Saiga]

This video sums up GT power scaling perfectly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kApU-3s-6h0

Yeah, just means that Goku got a new power up and his base is way above where his SS4 level was. Just like in earlier parts of GT.

[goku the krump dancer]

Bayonetta and Asura run a Dragon Ball (entire series) gantlet. How far will they go?

At best Bayonetta falls at the hands of Saiyan arc Goku or Vegeta. At worst she gets beatin by Raditz or Piccolo post Raditz's death.

Asura should make it to Freeza before falling to his final form or maybe going toe to toe with SSJ Goku fairly evenly probably.

[Hugo Boss]

Vegeta called Cell's ki "absurdly huge." I'm not sure what Trunks referred to it as.

After Trunks, Vegeta, and pretty much all of the Z-Warriors sense Cell's power, and are shocked as to how they are sensing a bunch of different people's ki, Piccolo then powers up in front of Cell. Right after that, Trunks comments on Piccolo's power as "another huge ki" (depending on the translation). "Another" is the key word here, as it would mean that there's more than one "huge ki" out there, and Cell's ki was the one that was sensed last, not to mention it's the one Trunks is sensing at the moment in order to get to Ginger Town. So I guess you could say Trunks indirectly said Cell had a "huge ki" or something of that nature.

The remark I was talking about was Vegeta saying Piccolo's power was greater than his Super Saiyan Mode. I don't remember If he did that direct comparison with Cell's power other than [it was "absurdly huge"].

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Vegeta says everyone around them is "easily surpassing" Super Saiyan, though one can say he's just referring to Piccolo and the Androids, I guess.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Pre-Rosat Android arc Kamiccolo vs. Kaioshin and Kibito

[In Brightest Day]

Pre-Rosat Android arc Kamiccolo vs. Kaioshin and Kibito

Kaioshin crushes Buu arc Piccolo. Kibito is in base Saiyan tier, so he's irrelevant here.

[Lord Beerus]

Pre-Rosat Android arc Kamiccolo vs. Kaioshin and Kibito

Kaioshin and Kibito stomp. Piccolo stated he was no match for Kaioshin in the Majin Boo arc and that point that was when he was the most powerful he had ever been in the series.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Looking at the context of the scene:

-First let's remember that it was stated that no one can sense Kaioshin's ki.

-Now, Piccolo is up there with him he wonders who is is and is confused.

-Then Kaioshin pretty much reads his mind and says he'll find out soon, and Piccolo freaks out.

-Then finally, Kaioshin says Piccolo likely sensed who he was.

-In none of this sequence was there a mention of Kaioshin's ki. Its all about who he is. No one can sense him anyway. Piccolo sensed his godly presence and backed out of respect. Piccolo never says something like "what power" or whatever. Kaioshin flat out says he likely sensed who he was....there is literally nothing about power here.

I think he only backed down out of respect. Piccolo >>> Kaioshin IMO

[In Brightest Day]

The Kaioshin - Piccolo debate has been done to death. Both theories (Piccolo backing out out of respect or because he knew he couldn't win) work just fine.

But hey, at least Piccolo can beat Kibito.

[mysticboy]

Pre-Rosat Android arc Kamiccolo vs. Kaioshin and Kibito

Kibito is a non-factor. I have Supreme Kai a little bit under #17, so the fight could get tough with Piccolo edging out a victory by the skin of his teeth.

[mysticboy]

SSJ4 Bargeta (Bardock and King Vegeta potara fusion, both can go SSJ4 on their own) runs the DB gauntlet. How far can he make it?

[TheGmGoken]

Base Gotenks vs Majin Cell
Boo Arc Majin Vegeta vs Majin Freeza

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ4 Bargeta (Bardock and King Vegeta potara fusion, both can go SSJ4 on their own) runs the DB gauntlet. How far can he make it?

Clears all of Z imo.

Base Gotenks vs Majin Cell

Depends on how strong it makes Cell... it could vary. I give it to Cell since I would think it's a big boost for him.

Boo Arc Majin Vegeta vs Majin Freeza

Again not sure, it depends on potential or something.

[Hugo Boss]

I think Vegeta says everyone around them is "easily surpassing" Super Saiyan, though one can say he's just referring to Piccolo and the Androids, I guess.

Goku also says something about not being able to beat the cyborgs or Cell, but I'm not sure If he somehow knew Cell was getting stronger by the days.

I recall Karin saying Goku was surpassing his strenght or Goku was almost stronger while Karin was still a bit more powerful or equal.

Cell also says Vegeta is more powerful than he expected and avoided a meeting, though maybe he was still too close to the others to waste time with Vegeta.

[Hellspawn28]

Who is the weakest character from GT that could defeat the team of Whis, Lord Beerus, Super Saiyan God Goku, SSJ3 Buu arc Vegetto and Gohan-Buu?

I'm just trying to confirm how much I truly hate GT.

We have no idea how powerful Whis since we never saw him fight. He is stronger then Beerus at full power and Beerus at full power I would put around Super 17 level or maybe Yi Xing Long level. Whis could be above Super Yi Xing Long or SSj4 Gogeta for we all know.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Gotenks vs Majin Cell
Boo Arc Majin Vegeta vs Majin Freeza

- Majin Cell wins but it would be a tough battle
- Majin Vegeta wins conformtably

[singsing]

Who is the weakest character from GT that could defeat the team of Whis, Lord Beerus, Super Saiyan God Goku, SSJ3 Buu arc Vegetto and Gohan-Buu?

I'm just trying to confirm how much I truly hate GT.

We have no idea how powerful Whis since we never saw him fight. He is stronger then Beerus at full power and Beerus at full power I would put around Super 17 level or maybe Yi Xing Long level. Whis could be above Super Yi Xing Long or SSj4 Gogeta for we all know.

Whis = 15, Beerus = 10, SSG Goku = 6.

[mysticboy]

SSJ2 Future Trunks (after 10 years of training) vs. Buu arc SSJ2 Gohan (pre-Mystic form; trained during the 7 year time skip)