Fat Buu versus Mr. Buu?

KnightSword7 · Post by **KnightSword7** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:10 am

No this isn't a vs topic in that sense. I was just wondering if Fat Buu lost power after the Evil Buu split. I own the Viz manga, and this is all that is said in that translation: "Alas, sweetness stands little chance...against concentrated wrath." It makes no mention of Fat Buu losing any power.

However, many people have told me that in their respective translations it is stated that Fat Buu did lose a large portion of his power, hence becoming the less powerful 'Mr Buu'. So I was hoping to get a little insight about the original Japanese version of the manga. What exactly is/isn't stated when the 'Fat Buu split' event occurs?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:48 am

Basically, Piccolo said so. Here's a screencap with Daimao's subtitles:

So yeah.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:30 am

Wow. I guess it's safe to assume that Buu never really got much of that power back, if any. GT Buu must've been relatively weak, then.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:06 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Wow. I guess it's safe to assume that Buu never really got much of that power back, if any. GT Buu must've been relatively weak, then.

Come to think, Buu didn't fight much in GT, all he really did was turn Hercule and Pan into chocolate a couple times and absorbed Bebi's Revenge-Death Ball. I guess it'd make sense that he lost a considerable amount of power after separating from "Pure Evil" Buu, seeing as his battles against the "Pure Evil" and "Pure Kid" forms, he really got the tar beat out of him. Hmm, maybe this is why post-merging Uub isn't as strong as he should've been, Mr. Buu was a not-so-strong fella.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:43 am

Ain't Uub (evil Buu reincarnated) the other part of Mr. Buu? Why would Mr. Buu being weak make Uub weaker than he should be, when they are together stronger than fat Buu was (remember Uub's training).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:59 am

Godo wrote:Ain't Uub (evil Buu reincarnated) the other part of Mr. Buu? Why would Mr. Buu being weak make Uub weaker than he should be, when they are together stronger than fat Buu was (remember Uub's training).

Uub's training just unlocked his Kid Buu power.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:18 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Godo wrote:Ain't Uub (evil Buu reincarnated) the other part of Mr. Buu? Why would Mr. Buu being weak make Uub weaker than he should be, when they are together stronger than fat Buu was (remember Uub's training).
Uub's training just unlocked his Kid Buu power.

So Kid Buu power + Merging with Buu = Buttloads more power...

...That after losing to Babi, never got used. Well, plllt...

It was a big homage to Piccolo merging with Nail/Kami, come to think of it.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:30 pm

So Kid Buu power + Merging with Buu = Buttloads more power...

...buttloads until Super Jûnanagô shows up...

...That after losing to Babi, never got used. Well, plllt...

Wow.. you just said that well.. If the Fat Buu was the goodness removed from the Super Buu (and spat out from Chibi Buu) and Fat Buu was a powered down version of the original Chibi Buu. For Mr. Buu to get beat that bad by Chibi Buu, Fat Buu is obviously stronger because Vegeta put a better fight up against the Fat Buu and Vegeta initially did more damage to Chibi Buu that Mr. Buu did.. uh *bugs out*

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Chibi Buu > Thin Buu>Fat Buu> Vegeta>Mr. Buu The last one is debatable. Someone shut me up, please..

EDIT Chibi Buu is stronger than Thin Buu, who is stronger than Fat Buu. Fat Buu however, is stronger than Vegeta, who happens to be more powerful than Mr. Buu.. The last one is debatable. Loving the Piccolo screencap, by the way...

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:00 pm

I refuse to allow a single additional post that uses greater-than or less-than equations to explain "powers". Either write a proper sentence, or find a different forum to post on.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:18 pm

I have a hard time believing that the fat Majin Boo that fights Chibi Boo is weaker than the original fat Boo. Piccolo claims that Majin Boo's total (current) power is devided between them when they split, with the power balance favoring the skinny "pure evil" Boo, but I don't think it stays that way once he's absorbed.

KnightSword7 · Post by **KnightSword7** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:54 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:I have a hard time believing that the fat Majin Boo that fights Chibi Boo is weaker than the original fat Boo. Piccolo claims that Majin Boo's total (current) power is devided between them when they split, with the power balance favoring the skinny "pure evil" Boo, but I don't think it stays that way once he's absorbed.

Yeah, that's what I mean, I really don't see it either. To imply that fat Buu's power was divided when he split, is also to imply that evil Buu must have taken over 50% of it right? So your left with Mr Buu possessing less than half of fat Buu's original power correct? It just doesn't add up though when you consider some other things.

Fat Buu had to power-up in order to gain the upper hand on majin Vegeta. In other words, if fat Buu was only at half power facing majin Vegeta, I think he would have gotten his ass handed to him. This theory is supported by the fact that when Babidi injected Buu with the energy of SS2 Gohan (who is far weaker than SS2 majin Vegeta, or SS2 Vegeta without the majin power-up for that matter), it raised Buu's energy to half full. So the theory that Mr Buu is less than 50% as strong as fat Buu seems completely condradicted when we see Mr Buu (who should be weaker than SS2 Vegeta), do just as well, if not better than SS2 Vegeta did against Kid Buu.

That's my theory and until I see what the original Japanese manga says, I'm stickin' to it.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:43 am

KnightSword7 wrote:So the theory that Mr Buu is less than 50% as strong as fat Buu seems completely condradicted when we see Mr Buu (who should be weaker than SS2 Vegeta), do just as well, if not better than SS2 Vegeta did against Kid Buu.

I don't think that's nessessary. Mr. Buu may've seemed to be doing better because... he's a Buu!

Vegeta has bones that can break, muscle that can tear, etc. Mr. Buu doesn't.

KnightSword7 · Post by **KnightSword7** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:45 am

I don't think that's nessessary. Mr. Buu may've seemed to be doing better because... he's a Buu!

I don't think that's viable either; Vegeta even states that a Buu can be hurt and worn down when fighting another Buu.

KnightSword7 · Post by **KnightSword7** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:38 am

VegettoEX- I know that translating isn't what you do here; but I was thinking maybe you could help me out as to where I could go, or who I could ask to get a few answers concerning this matter.

I have read your "Ask DaizenshuuEX" archives section where it is stated that the Viz translation is extremely faithful to the original. On the other hand, I've heard people say that Viz isn't reliable.

Basically I'm just wondering how accurate the mangas that I own are. So if you could point me in the right direction in order to get some credible answers involving a few specific statements, I would greatly appreciate it.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:54 am

KnightSword7 wrote:VegettoEX- I know that translating isn't what you do here; but I was thinking maybe you could help me out as to where I could go, or who I could ask to get a few answers concerning this matter.

I have read your "Ask DaizenshuuEX" archives section where it is stated that the Viz translation is extremely faithful to the original. On the other hand, I've heard people say that Viz isn't reliable.

Basically I'm just wondering how accurate the mangas that I own are. So if you could point me in the right direction in order to get some credible answers involving a few specific statements, I would greatly appreciate it.

I thing the answer is that Vis used to be extremely faithful. Then they started to slip, though I'm not sure where.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:52 am

^

Actually, the translation remained fine for the most part. The issue was that some name changes and censorship started to slip in during the last 10 volumes or so. Name changes being Hercules, "Djinn Boo" and Vegetrot(rather than Vegetto). Major censorships included removal of gun #17 pointed to an old man and removal of Popo's lips(to avoid blackface connatations).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:46 am

KnightSword7 wrote:
I don't think that's nessessary. Mr. Buu may've seemed to be doing better because... he's a Buu!
I don't think that's viable either; Vegeta even states that a Buu can be hurt and worn down when fighting another Buu.

Yes, they can be worn down, but not damaged in the way Vegeta can be. Break Vegeta's arm, it stays broken unless he gets healed by a senzu or Dende. "Break" Buu's arm, he regenerates immediately.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:07 am

Domon wrote:^

Actually, the translation remained fine for the most part. The issue was that some name changes and censorship started to slip in during the last 10 volumes or so. Name changes being Hercules, "Djinn Boo" and Vegetrot(rather than Vegetto). Major censorships included removal of gun #17 pointed to an old man and removal of Popo's lips(to avoid blackface connatations).

Domon got everthing except the times when they removed the middle finger in some shots. (See Drunken Master's avatar for more information ^_^)

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:15 pm

Domon got everthing except the times when they removed the middle finger in some shots.

Well, not everything. There's a few other stuff here and there I didn't bring up. Someone should make a comprehensive list of the edits and changes someday...

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:53 pm

Domon wrote:Actually, the translation remained fine for the most part. The issue was that some name changes and censorship started to slip in during the last 10 volumes or so. Name changes being Hercules, "Djinn Boo" and Vegetrot(rather than Vegetto).

Again, I really don't think it's fair to slam Viz for all that.
"Djinn" is a valid translation of "majin", "Vegetto" wouldn't have made much sense (the problem was the way they had spelled "kakarotto" way earlier), and as for "Hercules"... well, blame religion.

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