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Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:30 am

Careless Saiyajin wrote: Wait what sucks about the transformation system, what am I missing?
The fact that only Super Saiyan 1 -3 are usable in combat, they're temporary forms, they use up Ultimate slots, you can't start out transformed and you forcefully revert. I know it's balanced by the transformations being a lot more potent, but it really screws with the player's ability to have control over the forms the player wants to use and it makes it impossible to accurately portray someone like Cell Games Gohan if he were to have his base form.

I know he uses it more in Bojack Unbound, but as far as we've seen that movie isn't represented in the game at all. Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks have all fought in their base forms before, so it makes a little more sense none of them are permanent Super Saiyans.

Gohan being a permanent Super Saiyan and having Super Saiyan 2 as the Ultimate is more accurate than what the transformation system would allow otherwise. He can have Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and the Father-Son Kamehameha this way.

After seeing that Gohan doesn't have his base, I've decided to follow that example for my custom Saiyan. I'll make his base resemble a Super Saiyan and then have Super Saiyan 2 + an Ultimate equipped.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:54 am

Saiga wrote:
Careless Saiyajin wrote: Wait what sucks about the transformation system, what am I missing?
The fact that only Super Saiyan 1 -3 are usable in combat, they're temporary forms, they use up Ultimate slots, you can't start out transformed and you forcefully revert. I know it's balanced by the transformations being a lot more potent, but it really screws with the player's ability to have control over the forms the player wants to use and it makes it impossible to accurately portray someone like Cell Games Gohan if he were to have his base form.

I know he uses it more in Bojack Unbound, but as far as we've seen that movie isn't represented in the game at all. Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks have all fought in their base forms before, so it makes a little more sense none of them are permanent Super Saiyans.

Gohan being a permanent Super Saiyan and having Super Saiyan 2 as the Ultimate is more accurate than what the transformation system would allow otherwise. He can have Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and the Father-Son Kamehameha this way.

After seeing that Gohan doesn't have his base, I've decided to follow that example for my custom Saiyan. I'll make his base resemble a Super Saiyan and then have Super Saiyan 2 + an Ultimate equipped.
Pretty perfectly summed everything wrong and right with how transformations are handled in-game. If there is no Base Gohan (Cell arc), then whatever. Nothing lost, nothing gained. But as previously stated, it makes you wonder why FPSSJ Goku isn't a separate character itself, if the game is going by that logic.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:06 am

Lord Beerus wrote: Pretty perfectly summed everything wrong and right with how transformations are handled in-game. If there is no Base Gohan (Cell arc), then whatever. Nothing lost, nothing gained. But as previously stated, it makes you wonder why FPSSJ Goku isn't a separate character itself, if the game is going by that logic.
Probably because we're already going to have 4 versions of Goku, including DLC. :P Making Cell Games Gohan perma-SS doesn't require a separate slot from anything.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:14 am

Does Teen/Adult Gohan have base?

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Post by EA575 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:31 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Does Teen/Adult Gohan have base?
I don't remember seeing base Adult Gohan, or any of his SSJ forms, in any video, actually. It could be just bad memory from me. I have seen Mystic Gohan, though. As for base Teen Gohan, there hasn't been any confirmation he will/will not be in.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:37 am

I think the most recent screenshot can be taken as confirmation.
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Post by P5BLDV » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:08 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Does Teen/Adult Gohan have base?
Yes, he's there on the character select screen and he transforms into Ultimate Gohan.

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Post by nato25 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:27 am

Surely he will have his saiyan forms as well though (or at least I hope so).

But the fight with dabura doesnt seem to be in story mode (unfortunately) so maybe they won't include it :(

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Post by P5BLDV » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:21 am

nato25 wrote:Surely he will have his saiyan forms as well though (or at least I hope so).

But the fight with dabura doesnt seem to be in story mode (unfortunately) so maybe they won't include it :(
This is an unknown at this point, depends on if he has alternate costumes or not. I mean it wouldn't be hard to add his SSJ/SSJ2 forms if he has his Piccolo/Orange Star/Saiyaman Outfits but if all he has is the orange gi then we're in trouble.

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Post by Careless Saiyajin » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:31 am

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nato25 wrote:Surely he will have his saiyan forms as well though (or at least I hope so).

But the fight with dabura doesnt seem to be in story mode (unfortunately) so maybe they won't include it :(
This is an unknown at this point, depends on if he has alternate costumes or not. I mean it wouldn't be hard to add his SSJ/SSJ2 forms if he has his Piccolo/Orange Star/Saiyaman Outfits but if all he has is the orange gi then we're in trouble.
Gohan's fight with Dabura does not always get included in Dragon Ball Z games very often as far as I know XENOVERSE is a pretty extensive game and they might include it.

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Post by Thanos » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:15 am

shadd21 wrote:Haven't been following much one this game lately but is it possible to make a custom character Namekian resemble demon Namekians like Cymbal and Tambourine?
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Post by pitrako » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:31 am

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shadd21 wrote:Haven't been following much one this game lately but is it possible to make a custom character Namekian resemble demon Namekians like Cymbal and Tambourine?
Actually, yes. Tambourine's spiky "mohawk" is available as a head option, as are horns and such. And if I'm not mistaken, wings are possible too (as an accessory) but I'm not sure.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:30 pm

Anyone planning on doing a custom PS4 faceplate or an entire custom paint job as the "Xenoversebox"? Now that would be awesome!

There's someone who made a custom paint job for PS4 as a current-gen NES:

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Post by voltlunok » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:29 pm

Ok! Been super busy but it's saturday! Can throw two cents in about this Teen Gohan thing! Not that big of a deal that we don't have the base form! Well...that is only if him starting in super saiyan doesn't offer him any bonus stats, then we have a problem! Cause then we're just throwing this whole mess of a transformation system into disarray because we have a character or 4 that have special bonuses at the start of that fight which then leads to heavy unbalance and then dominant strategy takes hold and soon we'll only see Teen Gohan, SSJG Goku, SSJ4 Goku & Vegeta on the onlines cause they all start with boosts! So I really hope that SSJ Teen Gohan being his base doesn't provide any stat boosts! Phew! That's my take on that! :)
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Post by P5BLDV » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:33 pm

Careless Saiyajin wrote:
P5BLDV wrote:
nato25 wrote:Surely he will have his saiyan forms as well though (or at least I hope so).

But the fight with dabura doesnt seem to be in story mode (unfortunately) so maybe they won't include it :(
This is an unknown at this point, depends on if he has alternate costumes or not. I mean it wouldn't be hard to add his SSJ/SSJ2 forms if he has his Piccolo/Orange Star/Saiyaman Outfits but if all he has is the orange gi then we're in trouble.
Gohan's fight with Dabura does not always get included in Dragon Ball Z games very often as far as I know XENOVERSE is a pretty extensive game and they might include it.
I think people are being intentionally mislead on this story. This isn't a detailed playthrough of the entire story, merely certain segments and parts of it. It is just certain moments in time being altered that you have to fix and then on to the next one. So that explains why a lot of characters are missing.

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Post by P5BLDV » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:52 pm

voltlunok wrote:Ok! Been super busy but it's saturday! Can throw two cents in about this Teen Gohan thing! Not that big of a deal that we don't have the base form! Well...that is only if him starting in super saiyan doesn't offer him any bonus stats, then we have a problem! Cause then we're just throwing this whole mess of a transformation system into disarray because we have a character or 4 that have special bonuses at the start of that fight which then leads to heavy unbalance and then dominant strategy takes hold and soon we'll only see Teen Gohan, SSJG Goku, SSJ4 Goku & Vegeta on the onlines cause they all start with boosts! So I really hope that SSJ Teen Gohan being his base doesn't provide any stat boosts! Phew! That's my take on that! :)
I hope he does get the stat boost. SSJ2 and most likely SSJ3 will yield the highest attack boosts in the game, especially since SSJ3 belongs exclusively to Normal Goku(who has high attack to begin with) and Gotenks(who is extremely fast). So for all the high risk/high reward players, they have something to look forward to. SSJ2 also seems to have beast attack power as well. If anything, the non saiyan characters need more HP or something to compensate, nearly every non-saiyan sans Piccolo do pathetic damage by comparison.

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Post by 90sDBZ » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:02 pm

I think the real problem with no base Cell saga Gohan is the fact that it makes him inconsistent with Goku, who'll most likely revert to base during the fight with Cell. I know Gohan didn't really do much in base at that point in the series, but he did fight in it in Bojack Unbound, and it's been in all previous Dimps games, so it seems kind of stupid to start copying Ultimate Tenkaichi now.

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Post by Careless Saiyajin » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:44 pm

90sDBZ wrote:I think the real problem with no base Cell saga Gohan is the fact that it makes him inconsistent with Goku, who'll most likely revert to base during the fight with Cell. I know Gohan didn't really do much in base at that point in the series, but he did fight in it in Bojack Unbound, and it's been in all previous Dimps games, so it seems kind of stupid to start copying Ultimate Tenkaichi now.
Being fully powered relaxed ssj is kind of teen gohans thing but overall not a big thing for goku who is more of a broad charecter not just one particular time period or age. In other words, whatever lol.

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Post by P5BLDV » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:46 pm

90sDBZ wrote:I think the real problem with no base Cell saga Gohan is the fact that it makes him inconsistent with Goku, who'll most likely revert to base during the fight with Cell. I know Gohan didn't really do much in base at that point in the series, but he did fight in it in Bojack Unbound, and it's been in all previous Dimps games, so it seems kind of stupid to start copying Ultimate Tenkaichi now.
Inconsistent is DB's thing, you're acting like the 2 characters have the same circumstances. Long before SSJ there was base Goku who had a lot of fights and showed off a lot of attacks. Same goes for Vegeta, the versions of their sons who have SSJ exist in a time where fighting as base was mostly irrelevant. So gameplay wise it makes sense for Goku and Vegeta to have standard base forms since they fought a lot in that state whereas omitting Gohan's base form isn't so bad since Gohan did **** all in that form.

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Post by Careless Saiyajin » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:53 pm

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90sDBZ wrote:I think the real problem with no base Cell saga Gohan is the fact that it makes him inconsistent with Goku, who'll most likely revert to base during the fight with Cell. I know Gohan didn't really do much in base at that point in the series, but he did fight in it in Bojack Unbound, and it's been in all previous Dimps games, so it seems kind of stupid to start copying Ultimate Tenkaichi now.
Inconsistent is DB's thing, you're acting like the 2 characters have the same circumstances. Long before SSJ there was base Goku who had a lot of fights and showed off a lot of attacks. Same goes for Vegeta, the versions of their sons who have SSJ exist in a time where fighting as base was mostly irrelevant. So gameplay wise it makes sense for Goku and Vegeta to have standard base forms since they fought a lot in that state whereas omitting Gohan's base form isn't so bad since Gohan did **** all in that form.
Exactly this making it almost more inconsistent if trying to be consistent. haha

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