Where would you have ended the series?

MajinMan · Post by **MajinMan** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:44 pm

If I had the knowledge I have today, I would make Battle of Gods and Revival of F one big arc after Majin Buu. I think the whole God thing would be a great ending for the series. After the arc I would do a tournament with a final fight between Goku and Vegeta, with them matching blow for blow and Goku eventually winning. Then there would be some dialogue explaining how Goku will continue to get stronger and surpass his limits. Uub would lose to Goku and Goku will promise to train him when he's older.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:03 pm

ABED wrote:How does him resigning himself to his fate make it noble? How does it change anything fundamentally from how Toriyama wrote it?

It'll always be better than him failing to try to find a way out of the exploding planet. Plus, as many people said in many threads, Goku attracts the bad guys, so maybe if that rumor is true, it'd make sense. That's one of the main reasons I wished the whole series ended after Cell.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:10 pm

EXBadguy wrote:
It'll always be better than him failing to try to find a way out of the exploding planet. Plus, as many people said in many threads, Goku attracts the bad guys, so maybe if that rumor is true, it'd make sense. That's one of the main reasons I wished the whole series ended after Cell.

Committing suicide for no good reason is not noble. If there's no way off the planet, fine, he should just accept it. But without trying? Er...

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:29 pm

rereboy wrote: But without trying? Er...

And THAT'S the problem with the ending and why many people didn't like it. Heck, if the rumor's true about the fans making Toriyama go past the Frieza saga, then dammit, that's a good reason, cuz if Goku dies trying, it'd be too abrupt. It's better off to know that there's no way out.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:41 pm

EXBadguy wrote:
rereboy wrote: But without trying? Er...
And THAT'S the problem with the ending and why many people didn't like it. Heck, if the rumor's true about the fans making Toriyama go past the Freeza saga, then dammit, that's a good reason, cuz if Goku dies trying, it'd be too abrupt. It's better off to know that there's no way out.

First of all, its been clear for a while that that's just a rumor.

Second, what do you even mean? Goku wanting to die? That's better? "So, I defeated Freeza and all... I'm the strongest but its too bothersome to try to get off the planet... I guess I'll just die. I've been alive for less than a month but I'm tired of living already... That way, no bad guys will show up because of me! Except, the only bad guys that ever showed up specifically because of me were just the saiyans and no one else... Oh well, its as good of a excuse as any".

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:52 pm

rereboy wrote:
First of all, its been clear for a while that that's just a rumor.

I know that. I'm saying if it was true.

rereboy wrote:Second, what do you even mean? Goku wanting to die? That's better? "So, I defeated Freeza and all... I'm the strongest but its too bothersome to try to get off the planet... I guess I'll just die. I've been alive for less than a month but I'm tired of living already... That way, no bad guys will show up because of me! Except, the only bad guys that ever showed up specifically because of me were just the saiyans and no one else... Oh well, its as good of a excuse as any".

Still better than "I'm gonna try to get out of this planet with THIS! NOOOOO! FUCK! The spaceship won't work! I'm fucked I'm fucked I'm fucked I'M FUUUUCKED!! NOOOOOOO!!!!"

And keep in mind, I said that if the last two sagas didn't exist, I'd have Goku know there's no way out and just die.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:58 pm

rereboy wrote:
EXBadguy wrote:
It'll always be better than him failing to try to find a way out of the exploding planet. Plus, as many people said in many threads, Goku attracts the bad guys, so maybe if that rumor is true, it'd make sense. That's one of the main reasons I wished the whole series ended after Cell.
Committing suicide for no good reason is not noble. If there's no way off the planet, fine, he should just accept it. But without trying? Er...

I think he means he wishes there was a scenario where there'd be no point in trying to find an escape because even with all the speed in the world, Goku would know it's too late for him. He would die, smile in face, knowing the others will continue protecting what they love, possibly in his name.

It's a noble sacrifice in the sense that he could have gotten off Namek when Dende wished everyone to Earth, but Goku stayed and committed to defeating Frieza so he would never hurt anyone ever again. This decision ultimately leads to Goku's death.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:11 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
I think he means he wishes there was a scenario where there'd be no point in trying to find an escape because even with all the speed in the world, Goku would know it's too late for him. He would die, smile in face, knowing the others will continue protecting what they love, possibly in his name.

It's a noble sacrifice in the sense that he could have gotten off Namek when Dende wished everyone to Earth, but Goku stayed and committed to defeating Freeza so he would never hurt anyone ever again. This decision ultimately leads to Goku's death.

THANK YOU!

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:30 pm

EXBadguy wrote:
Still better than "I'm gonna try to get out of this planet with THIS! NOOOOO! FUCK! The spaceship won't work! I'm fucked I'm fucked I'm fucked I'M FUUUUCKED!! NOOOOOOO!!!!"

And keep in mind, I said that if the last two sagas didn't exist, I'd have Goku know there's no way out and just die.

Actually, he could try to get out, discover that he can't and accept his fate nobly and calmly. But him just committing suicide is ridiculous, imo.

Any way, any ending in Namek would suck, imo.

ImmaDeker · Post by **ImmaDeker** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:40 pm

Everyone who says "I would have ended it at ____" is lying because you're all talking about your preferences of an already completed story, not a story you're composing weekly with no idea where it might be in so many years' time.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:57 am

ImmaDeker wrote:Everyone who says "I would have ended it at ____" is lying because you're all talking about your preferences of an already completed story, not a story you're composing weekly with no idea where it might be in so many years' time.

Correct. And? I don't think anyone here has any plans or desires to go back in time and create Dragon Ball in 1983, ending it in the spot of their choice. It's called a figure of speech, analogous to "I would have liked the series to end at ____" (though you know that). Has your list of things to be pissy about become so exhausted as to extend to the phrasing of hypotheticals?

ImmaDeker · Post by **ImmaDeker** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:33 am

The Tori-bot wrote:
ImmaDeker wrote:Everyone who says "I would have ended it at ____" is lying because you're all talking about your preferences of an already completed story, not a story you're composing weekly with no idea where it might be in so many years' time.
Correct. And? I don't think anyone here has any plans or desires to go back in time and create Dragon Ball in 1983, ending it in the spot of their choice. It's called a figure of speech, analogous to "I would have liked the series to end at ____" (though you know that). Has your list of things to be pissy about become so exhausted as to extend to the phrasing of hypotheticals?

Yes.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:00 pm

I'm not sure why people love the idea of the hero dying is a great ending.

Also, noble sacrifice is a contradiction. If you give up a higher value for a lower value, that's not noble.

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:07 am

The Cell saga did have the nice passing of the torch to Gohan at the end, but it's still a mess of inconsistencies that's all based on the return of the Red Ribbon Army, of all things. Not a good ending in my opinion.

As much as I like first half of Z, I would have ended it before it even started. Kind of a personal reason, but in addition to me liking DB better, people's perceptions of the show would be a lot different as well. Would the show have been as popular if it was just DB? That's a huge discussion right there lol.

JamesOwnz · Post by **JamesOwnz** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:09 am

After one more arc after Uub

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:21 pm

The Cell arc. The Boo arc felt so forced and was horrible. It was boring, pointless, and had a shitty ending to a Awesome series. The Boo arc is only good for Goten, Trunks, Videl, Pan, and Gotenks. Everything else was utter shit. Great Saiyanman was cool though. The characters sucked and the plot sucked. Yet another ancient being

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The Cell arc was cool. Amazing characters and awesome devolpedment from everyone. Everything came to a closure. Just so amazing. Just have Goten being born at the end or an ending showing the characters ten years later(Either to include Goten as Gohan's son or brother).

Cell Arc was the best ending. If not Cell then Piccolo Jr arc.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:47 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:The Boo arc is only good for Goten, Trunks, Videl, Pan, and Gotenks

And all the vs debates it has spawned

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:51 pm

Would the show have been as popular if it was just DB?

No.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:05 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Would the show have been as popular if it was just DB?
No.

If the story had ended with Goku defeating Piccolo then i reckon the franchise would basically still be as popular as it is now in Japan and other non-English speaking countries... But countries like America on the other hand are a completely different story though, since our 'western' cultures seem to value action (ala DBZ) much more than cutesy adventures (ala DB).

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:06 pm

Kakacarrottop wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
Would the show have been as popular if it was just DB?
<br abp="691"><br abp="692">No.
<br abp="693">If the story had ended with Goku defeating Piccolo then i reckon the franchise would basically still be as popular as it is now in Japan and other non-English speaking countries... But countries like America on the other hand are a completely different story though, since our 'western' cultures seem to value action (ala DBZ) much more than cutesy adventures (ala DB).

DB has plenty of action, especially later on in the series. I'm sure that if Z never existed, DB would've been a success here. Not as resounding a success as Z, but still successful.

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