"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[Zelvin]

To be fair Freeza is probably one of the most important & influential figures in the history of the DB universe.

I wouldn't say so. He was just the first big villain since King Piccolo. And tbh, Piccolo Daimaoh had a bigger impact than Freeza. He was the first to ever really put the Z-fighters down. He killed most of the important fighters in the world, including Roshi, and even beat Goku in their first encounter. He even got his wish on the Dragonballs, then killed Shenron, and was on his way to world domination and complete anarchy before Plot Devices kicked in. He was a big setup. Sure, Freeza pushed to the whole Super Saiyan thing. But in the same situation, KP would've done the same thing, especially since he was directly responsible for Krillin's first death.

For me, Piccolo Daimao remains the top villain in the whole series, because he was cruel for cruelties sake alone. Freeza started off as a tyrant and just wanted immortality to set aside his fear of death and the SSJ legend. KP wanted power just so he could F**k with peoples lives and torment them for decades.

[Sigh-Ya-Jin]

To be fair Freeza is probably one of the most important & influential figures in the history of the DB universe.

I wouldn't say so. He was just the first big villain since King Piccolo. And tbh, Piccolo Daimaoh had a bigger impact than Freeza. He was the first to ever really put the Z-fighters down. He killed most of the important fighters in the world, including Roshi, and even beat Goku in their first encounter. He even got his wish on the Dragonballs, then killed Shenron, and was on his way to world domination and complete anarchy before Plot Devices kicked in. He was a big setup. Sure, Freeza pushed to the whole Super Saiyan thing. But in the same situation, KP would've done the same thing, especially since he was directly responsible for Krillin's first death.

For me, Piccolo Daimao remains the top villain in the whole series, because he was cruel for cruelties sake alone. Freeza started off as a tyrant and just wanted immortality to set aside his fear of death and the SSJ legend. KP wanted power just so he could F**k with peoples lives and torment them for decades.

Completely true, I just got done with the Piccolo Daimao arc, I've never seen all of dragonball so I'm watching them while waiting for more Kai episodes to come out. I'm also watching every DB movie possible, I can't get back into GT it's been dumbed down too much for my liking.

[Lord Beerus]

To be fair Freeza is probably one of the most important & influential figures in the history of the DB universe.

I wouldn't say so. He was just the first big villain since King Piccolo. And tbh, Piccolo Daimaoh had a bigger impact than Freeza. He was the first to ever really put the Z-fighters down. He killed most of the important fighters in the world, including Roshi, and even beat Goku in their first encounter. He even got his wish on the Dragonballs, then killed Shenron, and was on his way to world domination and complete anarchy before Plot Devices kicked in. He was a big setup. Sure, Freeza pushed to the whole Super Saiyan thing. But in the same situation, KP would've done the same thing, especially since he was directly responsible for Krillin's first death.

For me, Piccolo Daimao remains the top villain in the whole series, because he was cruel for cruelties sake alone. Freeza started off as a tyrant and just wanted immortality to set aside his fear of death and the SSJ legend. KP wanted power just so he could F**k with peoples lives and torment them for decades.

Well actually, Freeza ruled at least 1/4 of the know Universe by the time Demon King Piccolo was wrecking shit up. Freeza was also single handedly responsible for Goku being sent to Earth and essentially kick started the entire plot of Dragon Ball. To say that Freeza isn't one of the most important & influential figures in the history of the DB universe is like saying Lex Luthor doesn't have much a role in DC or Dr Doom doesn't have much of an influence in the Marvel Universe. The Dragon Ball universe would be a very different place if Freeza didn't exist. Can't say that same for Demon King Piccolo, at least to that extent.

[Kakacarrottop]

To be fair Freeza is probably one of the most important & influential figures in the history of the DB universe.

I wouldn't say so. He was just the first big villain since King Piccolo. And tbh, Piccolo Daimaoh had a bigger impact than Freeza. He was the first to ever really put the Z-fighters down. He killed most of the important fighters in the world, including Roshi, and even beat Goku in their first encounter. He even got his wish on the Dragonballs, then killed Shenron, and was on his way to world domination and complete anarchy before Plot Devices kicked in. He was a big setup. Sure, Freeza pushed to the whole Super Saiyan thing. But in the same situation, KP would've done the same thing, especially since he was directly responsible for Krillin's first death.

For me, Piccolo Daimao remains the top villain in the whole series, because he was cruel for cruelties sake alone. Freeza started off as a tyrant and just wanted immortality to set aside his fear of death and the SSJ legend. KP wanted power just so he could F**k with peoples lives and torment them for decades.

I was talking in an in-universe sense. Countless planets had experienced Freeza's wrath. An endless number of races feared him. Can the same be said for King Piccolo? Nope, especially when considering that "earth" is considered a backwater dump by various members of other planets.

[Sigh-Ya-Jin]

All of the villains had big parts in the DB universe. If not for PD Son-Kun would not have drank the super sacred spirit water which gave him a sort of trump card on early Saiyajins. Freeza was important and as he said essentially formed the DB universe because of his involvement with Saiyajins and the return of SSJ's. The androids were important because of them bringing Trunks-Kun to the past and his involvement with the Z Warriors. Cell was important in Son Gohans progression into adulthood and the discovery of SSJ2. Majin Boo was important because he sparked the whole fusion and potara boom. They all had their parts yes. Freeza was very influential but the story could have been different it may have been good it may have been bad who knows?

[EXBadguy]

Frieza- Primary Antagonist
King Piccolo, Dr Gero & Cell- Secondary Antagonists
Buu and the rest of the villains- tertiary and/or insignificant.

The End!

[Zelvin]

Well we have to look at the facts. At the time of writing, Freeza didn't exist. Neither in Dragon Ball, nor in Toriyama's head. Neither did the saiyans. Goku didn't get turned out as an alien until Toriyama decided to change the genre from a Fantasy Martial Arts to Sci-Fi/MA. Freeza had no impact on Earth or the story or anything until Toriyama invented him. Him ruling the galaxy around the time KP was messing around on Earth is rather irrelevant as those events had never taken place during the time of Dragon Balls original writing. Even when being introduced to the Saiyan Saga, Freeza was still unsaid and unimportant. Far as we knew it was just the Saiyans running the show. All the pods and armor were referred to as Saiyans first, and not the Planet Trade Organization.

Not saying Freeza was unimportant to the series, but for me his impact wasn't all that big in comparison to KP, who was really the first one to make Goku really afraid and angry. So much that he attacked Kami on sight because of the resemblance. It just wasn't the same with Freeza.

[P5BLDV]

Well we have to look at the facts. At the time of writing, Freeza didn't exist. Neither in Dragon Ball, nor in Toriyama's head. Neither did the saiyans. Goku didn't get turned out as an alien until Toriyama decided to change the genre from a Fantasy Martial Arts to Sci-Fi/MA. Freeza had no impact on Earth or the story or anything until Toriyama invented him. Him ruling the galaxy around the time KP was messing around on Earth is rather irrelevant as those events had never taken place during the time of Dragon Balls original writing. Even when being introduced to the Saiyan Saga, Freeza was still unsaid and unimportant. Far as we knew it was just the Saiyans running the show. All the pods and armor were referred to as Saiyans first, and not the Planet Trade Organization.

Not saying Freeza was unimportant to the series, but for me his impact wasn't all that big in comparison to KP, who was really the first one to make Goku really afraid and angry. So much that he attacked Kami on sight because of the resemblance. It just wasn't the same with Freeza.

Lol, King Piccolo was rendered null the moment Raditz was written into existence and hardly referenced again. Freeza since his introduction was treated as a big deal, he had real presence and malice. He was a simple character, not too different to KP but instead he had an entire army of goons who feared him. King Kai gassed him up, everyone did and every fight featuring him only confirmed the hype. Even after his defeat he was still referenced and mentioned as far as the Buu Saga. King Piccolo references stopped pretty damn fast. In the overall series, Freeza is treated as the big milestone in DB history, not King Piccolo kinda like how the movie this year is Revival of Freeza(which I think will be crap) as opposed to Revival of King Piccolo.

[Zelvin]

Lol, King Piccolo was rendered null the moment Raditz was written into existence and hardly referenced again. Freeza since his introduction was treated as a big deal, he had real presence and malice. He was a simple character, not too different to KP but instead he had an entire army of goons who feared him. King Kai gassed him up, everyone did and every fight featuring him only confirmed the hype. Even after his defeat he was still referenced and mentioned as far as the Buu Saga. King Piccolo references stopped pretty damn fast. In the overall series, Freeza is treated as the big milestone in DB history, not King Piccolo kinda like how the movie this year is Revival of Freeza(which I think will be crap) as opposed to Revival of King Piccolo.

Raditz was only stronger, that's all. His only purpose was to introduce the Saiyans and set the stage for a galactic setting. After which he had no other purpose and was swiftly killed off. KP gave rise to Piccolo who then continued to influence the cast and story for years to come. FnF wasn't something intended, but something Toriyama just wanted to do because of a song he heard. Besides, we already pretty much had KP2.0 with "Lord Slug". Freeza wasn't much of a milestone. They cleared it and then forgot about him. Mirai Trunks offed him without effort, and despite the Supreme Kai gabbing on about how bibidi's goons were stronger than Freeza, Goku and co regarded them as little more than distractions.

Also, in the anime at least, the battle between Piccolo and Goku was referenced because it was a huge event that changed many things and created their rivalry. Not unlike Vegeta's first fight with Goku turned them into rivals. Freeza has been referenced later on, but only to resounding disappointment. Like in the DBZ special episode with Tarble.

[P5BLDV]

Lol, King Piccolo was rendered null the moment Raditz was written into existence and hardly referenced again. Freeza since his introduction was treated as a big deal, he had real presence and malice. He was a simple character, not too different to KP but instead he had an entire army of goons who feared him. King Kai gassed him up, everyone did and every fight featuring him only confirmed the hype. Even after his defeat he was still referenced and mentioned as far as the Buu Saga. King Piccolo references stopped pretty damn fast. In the overall series, Freeza is treated as the big milestone in DB history, not King Piccolo kinda like how the movie this year is Revival of Freeza(which I think will be crap) as opposed to Revival of King Piccolo.

Raditz was only stronger, that's all. His only purpose was to introduce the Saiyans and set the stage for a galactic setting. After which he had no other purpose and was swiftly killed off. KP gave rise to Piccolo who then continued to influence the cast and story for years to come. FnF wasn't something intended, but something Toriyama just wanted to do because of a song he heard. Besides, we already pretty much had KP2.0 with "Lord Slug". Freeza wasn't much of a milestone. They cleared it and then forgot about him. Mirai Trunks offed him without effort, and despite the Supreme Kai gabbing on about how bibidi's goons were stronger than Freeza, Goku and co regarded them as little more than distractions.

Also, in the anime at least, the battle between Piccolo and Goku was referenced because it was a huge event that changed many things and created their rivalry. Not unlike Vegeta's first fight with Goku turned them into rivals. Freeza has been referenced later on, but only to resounding disappointment. Like in the DBZ special episode with Tarble.

The King Piccolo connection is pretty much only referenced again when Piccolo and Kami are about to fuse. It isn't a major plot at all by that time. Freeza gets much more homage than Piccolo and is seen by most as the series high point. Whether you agree or not is up to you, that's just how it is. Freeza is the milestone of the series whether they cut ass on how weak he was or not. They often use him as a comparison for other villains and characters. King Piccolo and Piccolo are also 2 very different characters, at this point you're just reaching. Piccolo becomes his own Namekian and finds his own path leaving his heritage behind. Trunks demolishing Freeza so easily would mean more if Freeza was never mentioned or referenced again but as the series would show you. That clearly isn't the case, and who's getting a new crappy movie? Not King Piccolo.

[Saiga]

Speaking of CaC what type of characters are you guys and gals going to be creating? Like the final build thought for your CaC's? What items and accessories would you like your characters to have?

It really depends on what are options are. If I can change my character's eye colour and hair colour after creating it, and save that to a different costume, then my main character will only need one slot.

Otherwise, I'll make two Saiyan characters to represent my main, the first having base and Super Saiyan, the second having their base recoloured to Super Saiyan and having Super Saiyan 2 equipped.

Other than that, I'm not sure. I think I'll make one of each other race, and then after that maybe make some what-if characters based on the series (like adult Oob, possibly). I wanted to do hypothetical fusions, but it seems the fusion clothes aren't in-game.

[vegitot]

I hope Demigra is untouchable in this game. It would better than he is defeated

[Thanos]

I'll start off with me. Yes, me. A male Earthling. The developers said the idea is to put yourself in the DB universe, so I'll roll with that first. :p But then I'll probably make my slightly embarrassing RP character.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Demigra shouldn't remain undefeated at the end of the game, even if there are basic plans fr a sequel if this does well. Unlike the last undefeated antagonist with Beerus, Demigra is evil and his plans need to be stopped, meaning he needs to fall one way or another. I would prefer if he was defeated in some manner that didn't require our avatar to get strong enough to topple him if the "Demon God" is actually in the same tier as Beerus, Whis and God Goku. It would seem a bit ridiculous, but for the sake of plot (especially game plot)? I'd deal with it.

[Nickolaidas]

Frieza *is* the most influential villain, in the sense that he is the most hated villain for the main characters (Goku and Vegeta). He's the only villain who can be feared and hated equally by those two, has a deep history with Vegeta, is the only DBZ villain whose obsession in killing the protagonist reached Batman-villain levels, and is the exterminator of the most powerful race in the DB universe - the Saiyans.

Name a battle with a villain that took like, 50 TV episodes from start to finish. No seriously. Name *one*.

Frieza is the only villain who had physical, social and probably political power in the entire universe. While other villains are small fries in scope and merely wanted to fight just for the heck of it, Frieza had created a universal social network of tyranny, corruption and greed. He had an army of henchmen from many races throughout the universe and in order to get to him, you had to go through hundreds of underlings and bodyguards - the very definition of a D&D villain.

Cell? Boo? Broly? All you had to do was find them in the Earth and challenge them. But with Frieza? You had to fight a f*&king army first.

And I seriously hope that they won't kill him in the movie and leave him as a Green Goblin character, appearing once in a while to wreck the Z Fighters' dreams and haunt their nightmares. I want Goku to go all ballistic on his ass and scream Frieza's name in rage and frustration, like Batman did with Bane, back in the day.

[Kamiccolo9]

And I seriously hope that they won't kill him in the movie and leave him as a Green Goblin character,

That would be amazing. Norman is creepy. Give Freeza a way to blend in to Earth society and make Goku and co.'s lives a living Hell by turning everyone against them, before showing up to fight.

I mean, Marvel has image inducer technology that allows Nightcrawler to pass off as a normal human. Surely Bulma could come up with something like that to get stolen by Freeza's men.

[Sigh-Ya-Jin]

Speaking of CaC what type of characters are you guys and gals going to be creating? Like the final build thought for your CaC's? What items and accessories would you like your characters to have?

It really depends on what are options are. If I can change my character's eye colour and hair colour after creating it, and save that to a different costume, then my main character will only need one slot.

Otherwise, I'll make two Saiyan characters to represent my main, the first having base and Super Saiyan, the second having their base recoloured to Super Saiyan and having Super Saiyan 2 equipped.

Other than that, I'm not sure. I think I'll make one of each other race, and then after that maybe make some what-if characters based on the series (like adult Oob, possibly). I wanted to do hypothetical fusions, but it seems the fusion clothes aren't in-game.

That's pretty smart, but what if your SSJ hair is different from the hair you start off with? How would you get past that stump if Saiyajins hair doesn't change, unless he's 1/2 1/4 1/8 and so on Saiyajin.

[supersaiyan DbZ fan]

i am obliged to make:

shoken!

[miguelnuva1]

I wonder if someone will try to make Neo or Superman.

[voltlunok]

I wonder if someone will try to make Neo or Superman.

Well now that you've said it...

I think out of pure boredom for maybe a day I'll make the dumbest possible thing!

SUPER SAIYAN YAMCHA! I probably won't be the only one either!