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Chris Sabat once said she couldn't "keep up" with the new lines she was given for Kai, so I don't think there's much of a possibility of her coming back.
Nah, Young got shit-canned and she ain't coming back. It'll be Ayres fo' shizzle.
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... I hope.
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If Sabat gets his way, it will be Chris Ayres.
Well let's hope he does. Kai was literally a new chapter of professionalism for English Dragon Ball and it should stay that way. "Actors" like Linda Young need to stay as far away as possible from the franchise, anyone who has manged to de-activate the nostalgia vision can see Young was never a good actor in Dragon Ball (despite what the sheeple on Youtube etc say) and was only hired to cheaply imitate an Ocean actress due to FUNi at the time not being able to afford an actual VA like Chris Ayres. Unlike Sabat or Schemmel she never actually improved significantly/lifted her game and was probably only kept so long due to fan demand from nostalgia blinded people.
"I will literally dress as Goku and walk around jumping up and down, pretending to fly, in public if this ever gets an official release"
I just hope they translate him better. Problem with Kai was a lot of the dialogue sounded weird. Havent watched BOG in english yet though.
She may have been a better freeza if given the chance to play the character correctly, but if she could not keep up, thats another thing. If she got canned, well it seems there was a dark period in early kai
I'm expecting Chris "Beast" Ayres to return as Freeza. He owns that role as far as I'm concerned.
Linda was never good to begin with as Freeza. Just being honest.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
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Kakacarrottop wrote:
Well let's hope he does. Kai was literally a new chapter of professionalism for English Dragon Ball and it should stay that way. "Actors" like Linda Young need to stay as far away as possible from the franchise, anyone who has manged to de-activate the nostalgia vision can see Young was never a good actor in Dragon Ball (despite what the sheeple on Youtube etc say) and was only hired to cheaply imitate an Ocean actress due to FUNi at the time not being able to afford an actual VA like Chris Ayres. Unlike Sabat or Schemmel she never actually improved significantly/lifted her game and was probably only kept so long due to fan demand from nostalgia blinded people.
So, what's wrong with Fortuneteller Baba and Ms. Piza? Young retains those voice roles in Kai.
Puto wrote:For what it's worth, Linda Young DID have a role in Kai later on, as one of Mr Satan's disciples in the Cell Games.
Well at least FUNi weren't a-holes and didn't just completely abandon her, unlike when they ditched the Ocean cast for cheap replacements like Linda Young herself in 1999
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Kakacarrottop wrote:Well at least FUNi weren't a-holes and didn't just completely abandon her, unlike when they ditched the Ocean cast for cheap replacements like Linda Young herself in 1999
Haven't you mentioned this in this way before, and haven't I explained how the business deals actually happened as opposed to what you're projecting onto the situation...?
FUNimation was in no position, financially OR logistically, to continue to outsource voice recordings to Ocean Studios. It was literally "we either find local talent or our production on this show is over."
(In a nutshell: look, I think the 1999 dub is an absolute pile of stinking shit, too, but let's be goddamn adults about it in 2015.)
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Lord Beerus wrote:I'm expecting Chris "Beast" Ayres to return as Freeza. He owns that role as far as I'm concerned.
Linda was never good to begin with as Freeza. Just being honest.
That's not honesty, that's a cold hard fact.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
With some of the guys who came back for Battle of Gods, they were unavailable for Kai. One Piece commentary mentioned Mr. Jackson being out of town doing theater for a bit during that time. And Ms. Young has appeared in Fairy Tail as a crotchety old lady.
Technically Linda Young could still return, but if she did, it would be the decision of somebody other than Sabat. And FUNimation trusts Sabat pretty implicitly in his creative handling of the English dub (not that I'm surprised, given that the quality of the dub increases in direct proportion to how involved Sabat is)...so it's possible, but not likely.
I immensely enjoyed Ayres in Kai, as well as Ryusei Nako's performance of the character, and to top it all off, Freeza is my favorite villain. So for me, I was through-the-roof excited when I learned Freeza was getting revived.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:Technically Linda Young could still return, but if she did, it would be the decision of somebody other than Sabat. And FUNimation trusts Sabat pretty implicitly in his creative handling of the English dub (not that I'm surprised, given that the quality of the dub increases in direct proportion to how involved Sabat is)...so it's possible, but not likely.
I immensely enjoyed Ayres in Kai, as well as Ryusei Nako's performance of the character, and to top it all off, Freeza is my favorite villain. So for me, I was through-the-roof excited when I learned Freeza was getting revived.
His script for movie 8 was such a good adaptation that I wish that had been the creative philosophy of the company from the beginning. Even if all else was the same (e.g., music and voices) a great script would've done wonders. So I agree that Sabat's involvement has a positive correlation with the quality of the product. I don't know if Nakao was the inspiration for using Ayres or even Ayres' performance itself, but either way, that was inspired casting. If I recall, J. Michael Tatum had a lot to do with it.
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I know Linda Young won't be back. There's no way. But they did bring back Meredith McCoy for 18 in BoG. But that might just be scheduling on that part. Here's hoping Chris Ayres is back for Revival of F!
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JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.
ShadowDude112 wrote:I know Linda Young won't be back. There's no way. But they did bring back Meredith McCoy for 18 in BoG. But that might just be scheduling on that part. Here's hoping Chris Ayres is back for Revival of F!
I've never had a problem with McCoy. I liked the unique sound of her voice, and it fit the character.
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ShadowDude112 wrote:I know Linda Young won't be back. There's no way. But they did bring back Meredith McCoy for 18 in BoG. But that might just be scheduling on that part. Here's hoping Chris Ayres is back for Revival of F!
Honestly, as much as I like Clinkenbeard's 18, I'll always imagine McCoy's as my default go-to voice for the character. She just seems to work and play off with Huber's 17 better.
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