Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[The Monkey King]

When you use the term "DEEBEEZEE", you mock people who treat the whole show as serious business when it's not

But an animated TV show's fanbase clearly has to be home to the intellectual elite, not regular everyday joes

Well then they don't know Toriyama as dumb jokes are his thing. Dude does freaking poop jokes.

Could you please show me the poop jokes which were in the Freeza saga... Oh wait you can't

I understand that DB isn't 100% serious and dark all the time but you're acting as though it never has been ever and getting pretty high and mighty about it.
Just look at the stuff Toriyama drew:

Looks like some pretty serious shit to me

I think Z-era gags work best when they're both the comedy and the deadly threat such as the Ginyu Force and Goku biting Freeza and Buu.
This is a film about the resurrection of Freeza raised to Godly levels of power a lot of people don't want dumb characters solely devoted to bad jokes getting in the way.

[TheGmGoken]

Could you please show me the poop jokes which were in the Freeza saga... Oh wait you can't

There's also Goku bitting Freeza tail.

Freeza arc had some comedy to it.

[Bullza]

Welcome to Dragon Ball.

That's not Dragon Ball as Dragon Ball had silly moments that were actually funny without pandering to small children. You must be thinking of Pokemon where the silly moments are just silly and funny to nobody but a bunch of Japanese kids under the age of 10 ala Team Rocket.

[EXBadguy]

Dragon Ball as a whole has always been a solid mix of action and comedy to me which is why the funny moments never really stuck out like sore thumbs in Z.

This is a film about the resurrection of Freeza raised to Godly levels of power a lot of people don't want dumb characters solely devoted to bad jokes getting in the way.

Yes YES! Glad to see some people are seeing Z the same way I see it. Many people treat Z different than the original DB. Again, I, along with many people think DBZ is has a dark, serious tone while having slight comedy from time to time.

Or maybe some people just don't want irrelevant, unfunny characters shoehorned into the movie only to draw poo's on the wall just to appeal to the little kiddy crowd? Maybe some people would rather have this wasted screentime go to main characters like Piccolo or Krillin actually doing something.

IKR? Why didn't Toriyama gave half of the warriors screentime instead of extending the lighthearted bullcrap. What should've happened is all of the Z Warriors Kiai'd the Pilaf crew away to the moon and for them to NEVER come back for ten years(*cough*GT*cough*) and then fight Beerus. Hopefully in this movie there'll be many iconic signature attacks.

[RandomGuy96]

Again, I, along with many people think DBZ is has a dark, serious tone while having slight comedy from time to time.

DBZ is far too childish and simplistic to ever pull off a "dark, serious tone". It's always silly, it just sometimes is more subtle about the silliness.

[dbzfan7]

Could you please show me the poop jokes which were in the Freeza saga... Oh wait you can't

I understand that DB isn't 100% serious and dark all the time but you're acting as though it never has been ever and getting pretty high and mighty about it.
Just look at the stuff Toriyama drew:

Looks like some pretty serious shit to me

I think Z-era gags work best when they're both the comedy and the deadly threat such as the Ginyu Force and Goku biting Freeza and Buu.
This is a film about the resurrection of Freeza raised to Godly levels of power a lot of people don't want dumb characters solely devoted to bad jokes getting in the way.

The entirety of the Ginyu Force is a parody of the Super Sentai. They prance around and dance like as if they're super powered Elite Beat Agents. It took up so many chapters. It's practically a joke that they these silly folks are so strong, then Goku in his own gag downs Recoome in such an undignified way is a gag in itself.

By people you mean the minority of DEEBEEZEE people right? Cause I even stated in a thread is that the serious elements of Dragon Ball work best when they contrast the comedy. By that I mean when those rare occasions of even Goku being unable to be anything but serious are powerful. Like when Goku became a rage monster as an SSJ. It was powerful to see such a pure person become THAT. If we had more of that, the serious impact would falter and not nearly be as effective. Besides after that scene there they turn the whole Babidi thing into a game. Yeah...very serious guys. Monster is gonna come out if you fuck around, but let's play with the foes one on one because that's more fun.

Welcome to Dragon Ball.

That's not Dragon Ball as Dragon Ball had silly moments that were actually funny without pandering to small children. You must be thinking of Pokemon where the silly moments are just silly and funny to nobody but a bunch of Japanese kids under the age of 10 ala Team Rocket.

Nope I'm thinking of the universe where a talking dog rules the world. There's flying cars and dinosaurs in the same time period. Men scream at the top of their lungs to get strong. Golden hair galore. A pink man child demon running amok turning people into candy. People firing beams out of their hands or putting others to sleep with other bizarre techniques. Boobie gropping perverts beyond Muten Roshi. Panties saving the day. A dancing force of doom. The world being brought to ruin by a bunch of teenager cyborgs. A green man being God. A cat being a hermit. And many many more.

[Retan]

Can't remember much silliness in the entire android/Cell saga, and I think that is exactly why it's my least favorite saga of all of DB, outside of the Lt. Blue of course.

To me the Saiyan and Namek saga were the perfect blend of Silliness and Seriousness for DBZ.

[KaiserNeko]

Admittedly, I enjoyed Pilaf's gags in the last movie... to an extent. I actually really enjoyed all of the comedic elements at play in Battle of Gods, my favorite being Beerus and Whis (and how others interacted with them).

That being said: I hope Pilaf's interactions in this movie tie more into the central plot. Otherwise, I fear their novelty is going to wear off terribly quick. It wasn't until they joined the party in BoG that I actually enjoyed their presence, and their purpose for even being in the movie in the first place felt incredibly shoe-horned.

Bring on the comedy, I say. Let there be a hilarious scene with Kuririn as a cop, a humorous scene where Son Gohan can't find his outfit, an adorable scene where Vegeta has no idea how to interact with his newborn daughter!

[The Monkey King]

Could you please show me the poop jokes which were in the Freeza saga... Oh wait you can't

*Ginyu Force gifs*

There's also Goku bitting Freeza tail.

Freeza arc had some comedy to it.

I mentioned the Ginyu Force and Goku biting his opponents working as gags

I think Z-era gags work best when they're both the comedy and the deadly threat such as the Ginyu Force and Goku biting Freeza and Buu.

I prefer this to having waste of space characters just there to be dumb and 'funny' while adding nothing to the story.

[GeeRod]

I don't have a problem with Pilaf coming back. Yeah, It's Freeza the best villain in the series according to most of the fanbase. What's the problem with a little bit of comedy? I love BOG because was a lot different than other DBZ movies. Just be open-minded and watch the movie, if you don't like it that's ok THEN you can complain about the comedy, Gohan's design, Freeza coming back, etc. I don't see why complaining about something you didn't watch.

[EXBadguy]

By people you mean the minority of DEEBEEZEE people right?

The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people were the ones that gave BoG reviews and called it far from good.
The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people are the ones taking over the comment section saying how fucked up it is for Pilaf to return.
The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people were the ones that gave DB Minus and most of the 2008-2010 specials a bad rep cuz of how bad it is

If anything, half of you guys that like over-the-top silly shit ARE the minority, not us DEEBEEZEE folks.

Again, yall can like the lightheartedness that has been done to death in the movie, but just remember, if this one ends up being the same, more people are gonna make some pitchforks, go to where Toriyama lives at, and chant "PLEASE GO RETIRE!"

[kei17]

Again, you can like the lightheartedness that has been done to death in the movie, but just remember, if this one ends up being the same, more people are gonna make some pitchforks, go to where Toriyama lives at, and chant "PLEASE GO RETIRE!"

And they're the ones who should retire from being fans.

[Retan]

Toriyama retiring is the last thing I want, most of my problems revolved around other things such as cheap animation, and the amount of fights scenes, which I'm really not sure how much Toriyama has a say in. I mean yes he says there will be more fight scenes in this one, but does he decide the choreography, or just things that happen while they fight and who fights who, and the story boarders and animators, decide how long a fight is, and how good? Can anyone answer?

[dbzfan7]

By people you mean the minority of DEEBEEZEE people right?

The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people were the ones that gave BoG reviews and called it far from good.
The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people are the ones taking over the comment section saying how fucked up it is for Pilaf to return.
The minority of the DEEBEEZEE people were the ones that gave DB Minus and most of the 2008-2010 specials a bad rep cuz of how bad it is

If anything, half of you guys that like over-the-top silly shit ARE the minority, not us DEEBEEZEE folks.

Again, yall can like the lightheartedness that has been done to death in the movie, but just remember, if this one ends up being the same, more people are gonna make some pitchforks, go to where Toriyama lives at, and chant "PLEASE GO RETIRE!"

And that's why the movie did so poorly....oh wait...no it didn't. If these DEEBEEZEE folk were a majority, the movie wouldn't have sold that well and the market wouldn't be getting another movie. Most views of BOG are positive, hence why it did well.

Again, you can like the lightheartedness that has been done to death in the movie, but just remember, if this one ends up being the same, more people are gonna make some pitchforks, go to where Toriyama lives at, and chant "PLEASE GO RETIRE!"

And they're the ones who should retire from being fans.

This so hard. There's plenty of other anime to fit what they want. The man with the seven scars is oozing with serious tone all over the place. I'm sure it'll satisfy You Wa Shock.

[Ajay]

Bring on the comedy, I say. Let there be a hilarious scene with Kuririn as a cop, a humorous scene where Son Gohan can't find his outfit, an adorable scene where Vegeta has no idea how to interact with his newborn daughter!

Absolutely. I want the same level of character development that we had in Battle of Gods and what you've listed sounds perfect.

I feel as though it's only a small portion who genuinely want zero humour in this film and everyone is focusing on those absurd arguments rather than talking about how the balance should work.

As I've said many times in this thread already, I'm only hoping the humour doesn't interfere with the terror of Freeza. All of the wonderful humour in the early Namek portion worked as a great contrast to the incredibly dark moments from Freeza's transformations onwards.

This film needs to work similarly. I do not want to see Freeza involved in the equivalent of a pudding scene. That's amazing for Beerus but...that kinda thing totally cheapens Freeza.

I want amazing humour at the start and as soon as things get real with Freeza, that needs to fade away and things need to feel monumental. Otherwise, what the hell was the point in bringing him back?

Also, as a general message to everyone - for the love of all that is good, can we stop with this damn 'DEEBEEZEE' nonsense. You could not sound more ridiculous.

[dbzfan7]

Also, as a general message to everyone - for the love of all that is good, can we stop with this damn 'DEEBEEZEE' nonsense. You could not sound more ridiculous.

It's supposed to sound ridiculous. Represents the monster truck rally crap some people seem to be expecting.

[EXBadguy]

I want amazing humour at the start and as soon as things get real with Freeza, that needs to fade away and things need to feel monumental. Otherwise, what the hell was the point in bringing him back?

See, that's what I'm saying. Put the comedy at the first 15 minutes and the seriousness for the rest of the film. I DO NOT want Toriyama to overdue the comedy, it's not about being over-the-top dark, it's about balancing like most of the earlier movies did. That's it!

[TheGmGoken]

Absolutely. I want the same level of character development that we had in Battle of Gods and what you've listed sounds perfect.

What character development was in Battle of Gods?

[Ajay]

It's supposed to sound ridiculous. Represents the monster truck rally crap some people seem to be expecting.

Not the word itself. Just the general attitude it gives off by using it. It's tiring.

I'd rather pay no mind to that type of fan and let their opinions fade into obscurity rather than trying to convince them in a circular argument or belittle them with such terms.

The humour in Battle of Gods works because Beerus is an absurd character. The whole tone of the film is perfectly suited to its characters from start to finish. Some might argue that Pilaf's inclusion was a little bloated but that's as far as I'm willing to accept.

However, this time around, I do see that type of fan's point of view. I feel it's being incredibly misrepresented with people taking one extreme or the other but it's not totally invalid. I don't feel like this is just a bunch of people going, 'Hey! Give me EPIC DBZ!'.

With Fukkatsu no F, we're taking a pre-established character that represents total and utter fear and destruction. This is the villain who first successfully destroyed an entire planet and then came back to seek revenge. He's maniacal, ruthless and terrifying. His return needs to mean something significant.

If you bring him back and lay the whole thing with the same tone as Battle of Gods, you are seriously disrespecting the very nature of that character and everything it represents. I think that's what a lot of people are getting at.

Most of us here understand that Dragon Ball is laid thick with comical elements, but it's also packed with iconic villains who are the furthest thing from funny.

If you're bringing them back in a serious capacity, it needs to be done tastefully.

what character development was in Battle of Gods?

Gohan as a goofy, married man who finds out his wife is pregnant. Fairly far removed from his attitude at the end of Z. There's a mature confidence there that wasn't quite visible before.

Vegeta's total transformation into a real 'good guy'. From the Bingo scene to save his friends, to the 'My Bulma!' sections. These are all moments that showcase a significant change in the character.

[Big Momma]

Absolutely. I want the same level of character development that we had in Battle of Gods and what you've listed sounds perfect.

what character development was in Battle of Gods?

I'd say Vegeta got a fair amount (or rather, it solidified the development he already had), but besides that I gotta say I'm with you. I don't think any characters were better/worse/different by the end.