Questions about Kibito

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:16 am

Kibito/Kibit is the assistant of the Eastern Kaioshin. We all know he has abilities such as healing and teleportation.Kibito was scheduled to fight Gohan, but we all know that was just a front for an even bigger battle. When the heroes arrive at Babidi's spaceship, he is easily killed by Dabura and when he is revived he escorts Kaioshin and Gohan to their home planet where Gohan pulls out the Zeta Sword and Kibito cannot believe a mortal could do it. Now with that being said, I want to know:

1) How did Kibito come to be an assistant to the Kaioshin?
2) How long has he been an assistant?
3)Is he immortal?
4)How strong is he?
5)Does he have a rank above Kaio-sama?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:22 am

Ah, good 'ol Kibito... let's see...

1) I don't think anything was ever revealed about Kibito's past.

2) At most, since Kaioshin got his job (as... Kaioshin) He wasn't mentioned or seen in Kaioshin's flashbacks.

3) Apparently not, since he was killed by Dabra. In terms of "eternal life" immortal, then who knows? I've only seen Kaio's get killed, never dying of old age. But apparently, they can get old (i.e. Grand Kaio).

4) Adequetly strong, I guess. He's a Kaio, after all. But he's more a healer than a fighter. If he wasn't strong enough to make any real difference after fusing with Kaioshin, then he must not have had any significant power... (But I can point you to a hilariously well-done fanfic that has Kibito as an awesome super warrior, the only one who can defeat a dreaded sack that threatens to destroy the universe, if Yamcha and Tenshinhan don't first... [/off-topic])

5) Y'know, that's interesting, about Kibito's rank. Apparently, there's just other Kaios about other than "the big six" (four Kaio-samas, Grand Kaio, Kaioshin). But it looks like Kibito was more or less the Mr. Popo to Kaioshin's Kami. I'd assume that means he ranks pretty high, though.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:46 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:1) I don't think anything was ever revealed about Kibito's past.

Yeah, so the answer to question one is a big "we don't know".

SSj Kaboom wrote:2) At most, since Kaioshin got his job (as... Kaioshin) He wasn't mentioned or seen in Kaioshin's flashbacks.

Yeah, so Kibito was probably an assistant to Kaioshin as of sometime after the other Kaioshin were killed by Boo. Though, Kibito knew all about Boo. So take that as you will. It's entirely possible Kaioshin just told him about it.

SSj Kaboom wrote:3) Apparently not, since he was killed by Dabra. In terms of "eternal life" immortal, then who knows? I've only seen Kaio's get killed, never dying of old age. But apparently, they can get old (i.e. Grand Kaio).

Correct. Immortal? No. Eternal life? No proof either way.

SSj Kaboom wrote:4) Adequetly strong, I guess. He's a Kaio, after all. But he's more a healer than a fighter. If he wasn't strong enough to make any real difference after fusing with Kaioshin, then he must not have had any significant power... (But I can point you to a hilariously well-done fanfic that has Kibito as an awesome super warrior, the only one who can defeat a dreaded sack that threatens to destroy the universe, if Yamcha and Tenshinhan don't first... [/off-topic])

I don't think I'd call him a Kaio. Other than that we have no idea how strong he is.

SSj Kaboom wrote:5) Y'know, that's interesting, about Kibito's rank. Apparently, there's just other Kaios about other than "the big six" (four Kaio-samas, Grand Kaio, Kaioshin). But it looks like Kibito was more or less the Mr. Popo to Kaioshin's Kami. I'd assume that means he ranks pretty high, though.

I agree with the Mr Popo statement, but we really don't know how high Kibito ranks compared to the Kaio. Personally, I don't think he ranks higher than someone like Kaio-sama, but once again, there's no proof either way other than that he hangs out with Kaioshin, though he seems to be just an attendant.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:17 pm

I don't think Popo has that much power when it comes to the hierachy.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:31 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I don't think Popo has that much power when it comes to the hierachy.

Well, he's below a Kami, obviously, but just for being so closely tied to Kami-sama, he's probably in a much more respectable position among the gods than, say, the farmer Raditz met when he landed for example.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:59 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:I don't think Popo has that much power when it comes to the hierachy.
Well, he's below a Kami, obviously, but just for being so closely tied to Kami-sama, he's probably in a much more respectable position among the gods than, say, the farmer Raditz met when he landed for example.

Better than the farmer? Don't say things you CAN'T take back...

Well who is more respectable: Korin/Karin or Mr. Popo?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:11 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:I don't think Popo has that much power when it comes to the hierachy.
Well, he's below a Kami, obviously, but just for being so closely tied to Kami-sama, he's probably in a much more respectable position among the gods than, say, the farmer Raditz met when he landed for example.
Better than the farmer? Don't say things you CAN'T take back... Well who is more respectable: Korin/Karin or Mr. Popo?

That's a tough question, really. One that can't really be answered conclusively. Karin-sama is a demi-god, while Mr Popo is essentially God's attendant.

The only thing one can say for certain is they are both below Kami-sama but above normal humans with respect to the hierarchy of the gods.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:28 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Well who is more respectable: Korin/Karin or Mr. Popo?

A servant is a servant in hiearchy, which makes Karin being under Kami, with Mr. Popo at the bottom.

BUT we can see it in another light: Karin tests the people who want to attend at Kami's palace: if they're worthy they can climb up. Afterwards they have to face an even stronger opponent, Mr. Popo. In this point of view, Mr. Popo has a higher rank, as he definately decides who's worthy of meeting his master.

So I guess it's either way? I would go for the second one though.

JAKEMAN · Post by **JAKEMAN** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:49 pm

I think we can put these set of questions with other assiants to the different gods, I.E Bubbles, Mr Popo, Gregory (I would love to see a Bubbles back story)

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:54 pm

JAKEMAN wrote:I think we can put these set of questions with other assiants to the different gods, I.E Bubbles, Mr Popo, Gregory (I would love to see a Bubbles back story)

Well, Bubbles was more of a pet, and Gregory was one of Kaio-sama's pupils.

Mr Popo is the only one that really compares to Kibito in that they're both assistants.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:00 pm

JAKEMAN wrote:I think we can put these set of questions with other assiants to the different gods, I.E Bubbles, Mr Popo, Gregory (I would love to see a Bubbles back story)

That would make Bubbles more important than Karin..!

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:15 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
JAKEMAN wrote:I think we can put these set of questions with other assiants to the different gods, I.E Bubbles, Mr Popo, Gregory (I would love to see a Bubbles back story)
That would make Bubbles more important than Karin..!

If Goku was stronger than Karin at the start of DbZ (and thus at his arrival on King Kai's planet), and if how easily one could handle the gravity is any indication at all of one's strength...

...Then Bubbles would absolutely school Karin.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:26 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:
JAKEMAN wrote:I think we can put these set of questions with other assiants to the different gods, I.E Bubbles, Mr Popo, Gregory (I would love to see a Bubbles back story)
That would make Bubbles more important than Karin..!
If Goku was stronger than Karin at the start of DbZ (and thus at his arrival on King Kai's planet), and if how easily one could handle the gravity is any indication at all of one's strength...

...Then Bubbles would absolutly school Karin.

Why hasn't this Doujinshi been published?!

Stoney · Post by **Stoney** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:40 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote: 1) How did Kibito come to be an assistant to the Kaioshin?
2) How long has he been an assistant?
3)Is he immortal?
4)How strong is he?
5)Does he have a rank above Kaio-sama?

I made a huge debate topic on The Kaio about a year ago because they're so mysterious and we got some pretty good conlusions but I've lost all that stuff now.

1) Well, we know that there used to be Dai Kaioshin and the four Kaioshin below him. All but East Kaioshin were killed so I assume that he needed an assistant. I don't know why he would pick Kibito but that's what I find more interesting. Are the Kaio/Kaioshin a race? If they are then how come East Kaioshin didn't get anymore to help look over the universe? The Kaioshin all look similar and so do the Kaio. Perhaps the Kaio are promoted and transform into the more handsome Kaioshin form.
Or they could have been normal people once who did exceptional things for the universe, maybe they were similar to Kami and were promoted. I don't know but they are the most mysterious characters in DragonBall.

2) I'd say pretty soon after Buu killed the other Kaioshin but we don't really know. He could be training to become a Kaioshin himself.

3) No

4) Compared to the rest of the characters at this time I'd say he was fairly weak.

5) I can imagine him standing in a door way like a bouncer not letting anyone in to see East Kaioshin. Nah, I really don't know.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:28 am

I don't know why but I've always figured that Kibito was the old Grand Kai and sort of got a semi-promotion after the Buu incident. Either that, or he's a Supreme Kai in training. I've figured that the Supreme Kai himself is around Perfect Cell's level and that Kibito is probably around Semi-Perfect or Imperfect Cell level.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:55 am

Xyex wrote:I don't know why but I've always figured that Kibito was the old Grand Kai and sort of got a semi-promotion after the Buu incident. Either that, or he's a Supreme Kai in training. I've figured that the Supreme Kai himself is around Perfect Cell's level and that Kibito is probably around Semi-Perfect or Imperfect Cell level.

Well I don't know how well Supreme Kai can sense ki, but if Dabura was around the same level as Perfect Cell, the Kaioshin shouldn't be so fearful of him. I always saw the Kaioshin close to Cell in his second form. Then again, if he was so weak how could he survive a beating from the "Buff" Buu..?

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:54 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Xyex wrote:I don't know why but I've always figured that Kibito was the old Grand Kai and sort of got a semi-promotion after the Buu incident. Either that, or he's a Supreme Kai in training. I've figured that the Supreme Kai himself is around Perfect Cell's level and that Kibito is probably around Semi-Perfect or Imperfect Cell level.
Well I don't know how well Supreme Kai can sense ki, but if Dabura was around the same level as Perfect Cell, the Kaioshin shouldn't be so fearful of him. I always saw the Kaioshin close to Cell in his second form. Then again, if he was so weak how could he survive a beating from the "Buff" Buu..?

I think Kaioshin's more fearful of his reputation than anything else.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:51 pm

If he wasn't strong enough to make any real difference after fusing with Kaioshin

Kaioshin recieved a huge power boost from fusing with Kibito. It just wasn't enough to make a difference against Super Buu. I would say Kibitokai was stronger than Perfect Cell.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:35 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Xyex wrote:I don't know why but I've always figured that Kibito was the old Grand Kai and sort of got a semi-promotion after the Buu incident. Either that, or he's a Supreme Kai in training. I've figured that the Supreme Kai himself is around Perfect Cell's level and that Kibito is probably around Semi-Perfect or Imperfect Cell level.
Well I don't know how well Supreme Kai can sense ki, but if Dabura was around the same level as Perfect Cell, the Kaioshin shouldn't be so fearful of him. I always saw the Kaioshin close to Cell in his second form. Then again, if he was so weak how could he survive a beating from the "Buff" Buu..?

Why do people always say this? Dabura was not around the level of Perfect Cell. Dabura was stronger than Super Perfect Cell. There's a (rather massive) difference in that distinction.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:55 am

Xyex wrote:Why do people always say this? Dabura was not around the level of Perfect Cell. Dabura was stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

I don't remember them saying that?

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