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Anyway by this I mean does he have that same special power on you that he has on his friends? That special power being his charming personality, and how you somehow just got to love the guy. Even if he does really stupid or selfish things, somehow everyone falls for him. Bulma, Oolong, Krillin, Late Vegeta, Piccolo, and several others get mad at Goku, but them succumb to his charm. He has this weird charm to him kinda like the one you might feel when you're around some really old person who deeply cares for you (Like a grandmother). Goku kinda brings smiles to peoples faces just from his laid back personality and laughter. I'm not sure if I've really seen this kind of case before. You could point out at times where he could have just prevented dangers or threats from happening, but then his happy go lucky aura just rubs off on some. Kinda like his friends, some of us just let go of things Goku should have really done, and just accept the man child for who he is.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I wouldn't say he gives me ''warm feels'' BUT! He's the one cartoon character that If I could bring to life and actually get to talk to him I would. It's hard to put this into words without sounding silly, but Goku was a father figure in my life.(Hard to imagine right? a cartoon character...a father figure?) But it's true. and again as silly as it sounds I would love to live in the real Dragonball world. I'd just chill out around Master Roshi's all day. haha
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*Points to her avatar.* Many warm feelings. Gokû triple-whammied in BOG (that light blue sweatsuit, all the desu, and adorable ssjg mode's looks.) Cute/charming character. I don't know how he could possibly top himself in F, but I want to see him try.
So hoping for some silly antics early on between him and his classmate. X3
Kind of in the sense that I think he's a reassuring presence within the show. The world certainly feels a hell'uva lot safer with him around, even if the man himself might not agree!
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Yeah. I love Goku. His hilariously unintentional insensitive attitude, as well as his warm and gentle nature and constantly forgiving attitude makes him a perfect uncle. If only he had social skills, he'd be the perfect husband.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
He's not my favorite character - *points to avatar* - but I'd be lying if Goku's charm wasn't totally still there. There's just something about the guy you gotta love, even when he does something stupid or you side with everyone else about how exasperating he would be to deal with. It's the same way in any debate about his character, at least for me. At the end of the day, Goku is...Goku.
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not trying to change the subject but did it make everyone happy when Goku went to go get his drivers licence? that was such a great moment. I could sit around and laugh about that forever.
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128 Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years! #1 Paikuhan fan!
That's what makes Goku such a great character. He's unconventional due to his Saiyan nature (His love to fight) but cares for the planet due to his up bringing (wants to protect it). I think a part of his charm is how brutally honest he is at all times. e.g admitting that he can't beat Cell while acting laid back to not get anyone worried, admitting sparing Vegeta was wrong and admitting Gohan is a better person than him. Top that with his simple minded nature and you have the icing on the cake for an irresistible charm.
Yes, absolutely. That's the reason people love the character and the reason he always remains relevant in people's minds, you just can not help but like him.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
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Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."
Honestly? Yeah. Dude has a draw to him, heck the guy was my hero when I was a kid and first watching the show! These days he stands as a reminder, even if crud is going off the rails, you can keep smiling.
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I'm 50/50. When I start to think beyond how totes adorbs he is I get a bit angry as his oblivious demeanor and seemingly outright refusal to think beyond the next fight is frustrating. But in the end he's like a puppy, no matter what he does wrong you can't stay mad at him for too long even if you should.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Yes he does, he's my favorite fictional character. It's because he's so unique in his approach to enemies and his cheerful nature. He let Vegeta live so he can fight him again, like, who in their right mind would do that? The fact that he loves the challenge and treats it like a game makes him even more unique. He's just Goku, that's who he is.
Rocketman wrote:Goku is a bigger shithead than the Greek Gods. It makes him interesting to watch, but it certainly doesn't make him wuvable.
Which Greek God does Goku remind you of the most?
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Goku made me approach certain things in life differently. Accept every challenge (to a degree lol). Failure means you have to step your game up and try again. Work hard to compete with the "elites". I mean you can hear stuff like this pretty much anywhere, but from him it stuck with me. He'd be a good gym buddy for sure lol.
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samuraix123 wrote:I wouldn't say he gives me ''warm feels'' BUT! He's the one cartoon character that If I could bring to life and actually get to talk to him I would. It's hard to put this into words without sounding silly, but Goku was a father figure in my life.(Hard to imagine right? a cartoon character...a father figure?) But it's true. and again as silly as it sounds I would love to live in the real Dragonball world. I'd just chill out around Master Roshi's all day. haha
I feel the same way. My father was never there for me and passed away while I was still a teen. In fiction, I found Goku as a father figure of sorts and got me into training and lifting weights.
Weights are my passion along with drawing, thanks to Goku again for his cool look. I love drawing Goku.
But yeah, I've been in the gym since I was 16, now I'm 20. DBZ and Goku does that to people it seems.
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada
There's something about his personality. His perseverance. He'll take on any challenge, he'll smile in the face of defeat... and yet he finds a way to succeed no matter what. He always finds a way. That's inspiring. Remember in life to go that extra 10% nobody else is willing to go... it doesn't mean you won't suffer hardships but you'll be that much more likely to succeed. Having someone like that in real life would be great. A friend you can always count on, someone that makes you feel like everything will work out somehow. Not just through his actions but his demeanor. This is why he is my favorite character.
BUT! He's the one cartoon character that If I could bring to life and actually get to talk to him I would. It's hard to put this into words without sounding silly, but Goku was a father figure in my life.(Hard to imagine right? a cartoon character...a father figure?) But it's true. and again as silly as it sounds I would love to live in the real Dragonball world. I'd just chill out around Master Roshi's all day. haha
