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I do have to wonder if the angels existed before the Momoiro Clover Z contract or not. Was it something he already had, or something he added in afterward? Maybe there was one angel initially and then it got split into separate roles for the idol group?
Will be curious to see if this is addressed in interviews this time around.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
dbzfan7 wrote:
And? That's no excuse to give Freeza this kind of treatment. Everyone gets reincarnated except for those who have done extremely good. Those people get to keep their bodies instead of losing themselves. The ultimate punishment is losing your identity.
I believe reincarnation is only ever mentioned regarding bad guys. Heaven is where the good guys without bodies go.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I do have to wonder if the angels existed before the Momoiro Clover Z contract or not. Was it something he already had, or something he added in afterward? Maybe there was one angel initially and then it got split into separate roles for the idol group?
Will be curious to see if this is addressed in interviews this time around.
Yeah, this will definitely sway my opinions on their inclusion if it turns out to be a distracting cameo.
I care far more about that than getting some more awesome Toriyama humour.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:The people who are upset about the new material must not have watched/read Dragon ball during it's original run.
This is how I feel as well. How could news like this be bad news?
This is the most Dragon Ball thing Toriyama's done in a long time.
I watched the original DB anime and read the manga, and ended up not liking it until the second half of Tien King Piccolo. Dunno why, but I just don't like most of the gags put out and that's why I was lashing out earlier. Just wanted to prove that thought wrong about people not acknowledging the first part of DB.
And this idol group better impress me.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
Also really curious about the behind the scenes for how the plot came to be. We learned so much about BOG's meta story, I hope we eventually find out for F too.
What's up with some of you guys getting all antsy about the plot? You wanna spoil yourself that badly?
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:The people who are upset about the new material must not have watched/read Dragon ball during it's original run.
This is how I feel as well. How could news like this be bad news?
This is the most Dragon Ball thing Toriyama's done in a long time.
Honestly, I'd say it's the most Dr. Slump thing he's done in a long time...not that I'm complaining.
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote:
I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
dbzfan7 wrote:
And? That's no excuse to give Freeza this kind of treatment. Everyone gets reincarnated except for those who have done extremely good. Those people get to keep their bodies instead of losing themselves. The ultimate punishment is losing your identity.
I believe reincarnation is only ever mentioned regarding bad guys. Heaven is where the good guys without bodies go.
Heaven
Area: Afterlife
Special Characteristics: The world where dead good people reside.
Events: Goku practiced for the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai here. (Daizenshuu 4, p.73/ Daizenshuu 7, p.36)
Anime: Those sorted out as good people among the dead gather here. It is about as wide as the universe, and its entire surface is a field of flowers.
Hell
Area: Afterlife
Special Characteristics: Akkuman’s birthplace. It is also the destination of wicked souls. It is situated at the bottom of the afterlife. (Daizenshuu 7, p.36)
Anime: While heading to Planet Kaio on the Serpent Road, Goku fell to Block 1, #3 of Hell. (Daizenshuu 3, p. 162). This is also where Cell, after being defeated by Gohan and dieing, went on a rampage along with Freeza and the Ginyu Special-Squad before being put down by Paikuhan. (Daizenshuu 5, p.140)
This is all I found on heaven and hell. Not much to go by. Though I'd think only people with bodies go to heaven as living forever as a puff ball sounds like a really shitty after life.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
What's Dr. Slump's version of hell look like? Or which volume of the manga if any is it in?
*Has the manga in a box somewhere, but would attempt to find it if it's in the manga.*
Chuquita wrote:What's Dr. Slump's version of hell look like? Or which volume of the manga if any is it in?
*Has the manga in a box somewhere, but would attempt to find it if it's in the manga.*
The Dr. Slump afterlife is like a prototype of DB's afterlife, but there are a good number of differences as well. (Such as being able to return to life just by jumping through the cloud floor.)
You can read about it in Volume 16. You should know what chapter, since it has Enma in the title. lol
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
I guess at this point, all I want to know is the runtime the film will be given to. It's not out of question that it will get 120 minutes. But I feel it will probably be 15 minutes less. From what I have seen from Xenoverse 's Opening, I'd say they are focusing heavily toward Fukkastu no F. There's nothing worth discussing about the game's animation, since they didn't have much drawings for the cuts, but we still don't know about missing scenes revealed in the scan and trailer. That probably would mean they want to use talents on the film, not the game, which could mean more runtime.
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dbzfan7 wrote:
This is all I found on heaven and hell. Not much to go by. Though I'd think only people with bodies go to heaven as living forever as a puff ball sounds like a really shitty after life.
Well, the way I interpreted it the manga is this:
- you are bad, you go to hell and then eventually you are reincarnated so that this time around you might choose to be good.
- you are good, you get to go to heaven.
- you are especially good, or the gods want to do you a favor, you keep your body despite being dead. And go to heaven.
I expect the angels will play a very similar role to the oracle fish in BOG, in that they'll be in and out fairly quickly and probably won't appear for more than a couple of minutes in the actual film.
I wonder why they haven't unveiled more details on the film's theme song yet. I'm quite nervous about how this'll turn out.
Nozawa's comment is pretty much whatI've been expecting- which is perfect.
Chuquita wrote:What's Dr. Slump's version of hell look like? Or which volume of the manga if any is it in?
*Has the manga in a box somewhere, but would attempt to find it if it's in the manga.*
The Dr. Slump afterlife is like a prototype of DB's afterlife, but there are a good number of differences as well. (Such as being able to return to life just by jumping through the cloud floor.)
You can read about it in Volume 16. You should know what chapter, since it has Enma in the title. lol
Many thanks! Will look into it once I hopefully find my copies. :3
dbzfan7 wrote:
This is all I found on heaven and hell. Not much to go by. Though I'd think only people with bodies go to heaven as living forever as a puff ball sounds like a really shitty after life.
Well, the way I interpreted it the manga is this:
- you are bad, you go to hell and then eventually you are reincarnated so that this time around you might choose to be good.
- you are good, you get to go to heaven.
- you are especially good, or the gods want to do you a favor, you keep your body despite being dead. And go to heaven.
That's in line with the manga yes, I just find puff balls floating around in a bare plain to be a crappy after life. People with bodies get to do a lot more. I'd think the reincarnation cycle would just place someone on a better path or worse path depending on their previous life. If they lived a good life they'd get a better one each cycle til one day they're worthy to keep their body.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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