Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Bullza]

And pretty much all the villains have done that sort of thing.

Yeah but I'm saying that you won't be seeing that king of violence and mass murder again. Either Toei or Toriyama or both have seemingly lost the balls to do so.

The last movie wasn't even remotely violent though understandable as Beerus wasn't evil. Freeza is but we still more than likely won't get any violent scenes. Its becoming more kid friendly now which is a shame.

...someone's never read Dragon Ball.

You already made that exact same comment to me the other day and it didn't make sense then either.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Dragon Ball has ALWAYS been kid friendly. It's a kids series. Bottom line. End of story. Yadda yadda. The fact that it contains things in it that other countries outside of Japan, where it was made, didn't find 100% kid appropriate doesn't make it not a kid's series.

And since when has something had to have over-the-top violence to be good anyway? Give me a good story, good humor, and a good level of action, over violence for violence's sake any day.

[Bullza]

And since when has something had to have over-the-top violence to be good anyway? Give me a good story, good humor, and a good level of action, over violence for violence's sake any day.

When did I say anything about violence equating to quality? I'm saying the series used to have a lot of violence but now they don't have the balls to do it anymore.

The movie could easily have the violence without sacrificing the story in any way.

[Kamiccolo9]

And since when has something had to have over-the-top violence to be good anyway? Give me a good story, good humor, and a good level of action, over violence for violence's sake any day.

When did I say anything about violence equating to quality? I'm saying the series used to have a lot of violence but now they don't have the balls to do it anymore.

The movie could easily have the violence without sacrificing the story in any way.

How would adding more violence improve the story?

[Bullza]

How would adding more violence improve the story?

I didn't say it would improve the story.

[Kamiccolo9]

How would adding more violence improve the story?

I didn't say it would improve the story.

Then how would it improve the movie in general?

[Bullza]

Then how would it improve the movie in general?

The same way it improved the series. It adds a sense of realism, a sense of urgency and intensity knowing bad things can happen at any time, it adds a shock value like when Frieza suddenly impaled Krillin, scenes like that make you hate the villain more (in a good way) making you root for the hero which only gets you more involved in the show, it can make for some memorable scenes, it also makes it more unique compared to the many other non violent Shonen manga movies.

If violence wasn't a worthwhile addition in general they wouldn't bother. Terminator, Die Hard and Aliens would have all been great films had they been PG-13 but still not as good as what they actually are as an R movie.

[Kamiccolo9]

Then how would it improve the movie in general?

The same way it improved the series. It adds a sense of realism, a sense of urgency and intensity knowing bad things can happen at any time, it adds a shock value like when Freeza suddenly impaled Krillin, scenes like that make you hate the villain more (in a good way) making you root for the hero which only gets you more involved in the show, it can make for some memorable scenes, it also makes it more unique compared to the many other non violent Shonen manga movies.

If violence wasn't a worthwhile addition in general they wouldn't bother. Terminator, Die Hard and Aliens would have all been great films had they been PG-13 but still not as good as what they actually are as an R movie.

How does it add a sense of "realism?"
Why is shock value a good thing?
Why is violence necessary for a sense of urgency?
How is a violent villain any better a making people hate him than a non-violent one?

[FortuneSSJ]

Tights.

[Ajay]

Not Tights.

Debunked many pages ago.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Someone also brought it up as recently as last page as well.

[Bullza]

How does it add a sense of "realism?"

It separates it from just being more cartoon violence. It makes you forget sometimes that you're just watching a cartoon because people fight, they bleed and they can die sometimes in violent ways just like in our world. You get broken bones, detached limbs, puncture wounds that you simply don't see in One Piece or Fairy Tail for example.

Why is shock value a good thing?

It can make for unexpected scenes and like I said memorable scenes. You never know when theres going to be another moment like when Cell suddenly blasted a hole through Trunks chest. It keeps you on the edge of your seat and makes the movie unpredictable.

Why is violence necessary for a sense of urgency?

Battle of Gods showed that already. Beerus was threatening to destroy the world and even tried to but there was no urgency in that movie at all. Being that he hadn't been shown destroying an entire planet or even seriously injuring another character, his threats don't come across as seriously.

How is a violent villain any better a making people hate him than a non-violent one?

A violent villain may kill one of your favourite characters giving you a reason to hate them. This just depends on how the character is written though, Beerus was non violent and he was a good character but he wasn't really a villain.

[Kamiccolo9]

Fine. Just making sure that people are actually willing to back up their points. It makes for a much better discussion than "there's too much kiddy stuff."

[Dbzfan94]

I think the idea of wanting the future Z movies to be "more violent" comes from the idea that BoG was a little bit too "tame" in that department.
In the series and all the other movies, the Z Fighters all get messed up pretty bad in the final battle with the main villain of the saga/movie. but in BoG, (nothing against the movie) but Beerus barely got scratched, Whis didn't even fight, and even Goku only got scratches on him.

I guess...? I don't know, that's sorta how I feel. And from that one screenshot of Goku on the ground pretty beat up makes me happy, since Freeza is out for blood lol

[fadeddreams5]

We don't necessarily need violence (i.e. someone getting impaled or having his head ripped off) to create a sense of urgency or set a serious tone. The latter is what a lot of people want after these recent specials and movies.

Personally, I have this image of Frieza as a sadistic, cruel, and completely apathetic monster. Besides that Ginyu moment, the only comedic scenes (excluding Toei filler) with him in the series involved his minions' reactions to him whenever he became even a little irritated. As such, I don't like the idea of him having any over-the-top silly moments or overly anime-ish goofy expressions/reactions at stuff (e.g. sight of Kid Trunks). Looking at the track record of all the recent DBZ stories, I'm sure I'm going to be disappointed, and might even, dreadfully, watch as Frieza, with a grumpy face, eats with the cast at one point. <-- This sort of stuff isn't funny; it just kills the mood.

[SaiyaJedi]

Wishing you and Kei lots of good luck on your entries. When will you know if either of you have won or not?

The deadline for entries is March 9th, so I'd assume sometime around the third week of that month.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dragon Ball has ALWAYS been kid friendly. It's a kids series. Bottom line. End of story. Yadda yadda. The fact that it contains things in it that other countries outside of Japan, where it was made, didn't find 100% kid appropriate doesn't make it not a kid's series.

And since when has something had to have over-the-top violence to be good anyway? Give me a good story, good humor, and a good level of action, over violence for violence's sake any day.

How is the violence in DB kid friendly? Even the Japanese recognize that it isn't, since DBZ censors a few gory scenes from the manga, and DBK censors even more gory scenes... Just because the laws in Japanese TV are less strict than in places like US doesn't mean that everything they show is appropriate.

Dragon Ball always had childish humor & elements, but it also had adult humor & violence, even if it was mainly targeted at kids. Boob jokes & heads getting ripped off aren't kid friendly.

[Friezacooler]

Rooting for final form Freeza to rebeat what he did to Krillin XD. I hope with more action scenes he means no holding back, it is Freeza afterall. Just like Bills vs SSJ3 on king Kai's site less earth scenes would be good.

[Gyt Kaliba]

How is the violence in DB kid friendly? Even the Japanese recognize that it isn't, since DBZ censors a few gory scenes from the manga, and DBK censors even more gory scenes... Just because the laws in Japanese TV are less strict than in places like US doesn't mean that everything they show is appropriate.

Dragon Ball always had childish humor & elements, but it also had adult humor & violence, even if it was mainly targeted at kids. Boob jokes & heads getting ripped off aren't kid friendly.

That's a matter of changing times. What Japan found acceptable back in the 90's isn't necessarily what it finds acceptable today, but that doesn't change the fact that when DB was running, it was still always meant to be a kid's series.

Now whether these newer standards are good or bad, is an entirely different discussion.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Dragon Ball has ALWAYS been kid friendly. It's a kids series. Bottom line. End of story. Yadda yadda. The fact that it contains things in it that other countries outside of Japan, where it was made, didn't find 100% kid appropriate doesn't make it not a kid's series.

And since when has something had to have over-the-top violence to be good anyway? Give me a good story, good humor, and a good level of action, over violence for violence's sake any day.

How is the violence in DB kid friendly? Even the Japanese recognize that it isn't, since DBZ censors a few gory scenes from the manga, and DBK censors even more gory scenes... Just because the laws in Japanese TV are less strict than in places like US doesn't mean that everything they show is appropriate.

Dragon Ball always had childish humor & elements, but it also had adult humor & violence, even if it was mainly targeted at kids. Boob jokes & heads getting ripped off aren't kid friendly.

While this is true, Dragon Ball also employs these things very sparingly, almost as if Toriyama understands... well, the time for shock value. As for the first arc being a deliberate farce with consecutive perverts... yeah, there's no real way around that. Other than Funimation's rewording of Oolong's wish being absolute genius.