How much older would Goku have to be to lose to Frieza?

[Angelus]

Give your guess. Like mid 90s age? End of Z Goku and 100% Final Form Frieza.

[Stonefallow]

There are way too many variables involved in your question to give a straight answer. Goku is a saiyan and will age differently than a human does. They retain their youth much longer and have longer lives in general. We don't really know how ki affects aging, but it is possible that having a large amount of it can increase a person's lifespan or keep them from becoming frail. Either way, the majority of Goku's power comes from his ki, not his physical body. Ki is made up of several elements including genki (vigor), youki (bravery) and shouki (being in one's right mind) For more information on that check out Herms' translation of the Super Exciting Guide. It would stand to reason that old age would lower Goku's genki and possibly even his shouki if he were to develop alzheimer's. But it would be hard to actually put a number to any of these things because there simply isn't enough information.

But in Dragon Ball Online, it seems Goku and Vegeta are forced to address the issue of old age. The DBO timeline states the following:

AGE 801
Son Goku vanishes.
--Knowing his end is near, Goku leaves Earth with Vegeta so that the two can finally settle their score. Several years later, [astronomers?] note the explosion of a supernova. Possibly this was an aftereffect of Son Goku and Vegeta’s battle.

Goku would be 56 at this point. (He was born in 737 but he didn't age for the 8 years he was in otherworld) He and Vegeta (who would be 69) are still able to have a battle intense enough to cause a Supernova. Since "the end is near" that probably means Goku or more specifically Vegeta only have a few viable years left. Perhaps Freeza could turn the tables when Goku is in his lower to mid 70s.

Of course, this is assuming you mean Namek Freeza and not Ressurection of F Freeza, as I have intentionally avoided any spoilers on that subject.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

First off, I suggest using the accurate timeline provided on the forum. That specific entry from the older translations doesn't really have anything wrong with it, but other entries do.

As for the actual topic, probably a decently long time? Goku's base debatably didn't surpass Freeza's maximum power, but he can get 400 times stronger just with Super Saiyan 3 and it gets way, way, WAY more absurd if you're aren't being a manga purist and are counting Battle of Gods' absorption of the God Ki (or Xenoverse's craziness, but I won't spoil). Even with all the other factors, that's a LOT of power that needs to drop.

We can't really say anything on including Revival of F in the discussion yet though because we don't have very many details.

[Angelus]

Something to throw into the discussion is Gero's statement that any gain Goku will get from training will be offset with age, meaning that his aging will even out whatever power he gains through training after a certain point. But of course, this was probably assumed back when Goku was in the power level range of the lower 400's and before he learned Kaioken or turned SSJ.

[Friezacooler]

Probly another 1000 to 75000 years since he absorbed elder Kai's life I guess.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I really doubt he gained Elder Kaioshin's lifespan, just his actual life force.

[Friezacooler]

I really doubt he gained Elder Kaioshin's lifespan, just his actual life force.

Same life force that enabled him and other Kai's to be around for centuries and non of them have died of natural causes yet.

[rereboy]

The Kaioshins live that long because their race lives that long, not because they have a special life force. Such a notion is not implied anywhere.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Exactly. Kaio(shin) are aliens and have much longer, natural lifespans due to simple biology. Goku is a Saiyan, so even if being given the Elder Kaioshin's life force could somehow allow him to live for thousands of years, his body would still almost certainly start to deteriorate within normal Saiyan standards.

[Friezacooler]

You will only find out if Goku dies of natural cause, which he hasn't so far XD.

[rereboy]

You will only find out if Goku dies of natural cause, which he hasn't so far XD.

In DB Online its stated that he and Vegeta were reaching their old age.

[Friezacooler]

You will only find out if Goku dies of natural cause, which he hasn't so far XD.

In DB Online its stated that he and Vegeta were reaching their old age.

In GT we see his grave and the likely hood of him dying of natural cause is greater than other means, but that assumption is only based on an implication as he proply wasn't wearing a Halo end of GT can't remember. Also DBO is different continuity from BOG so proply a different Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

You will only find out if Goku dies of natural cause, which he hasn't so far XD.

In DB Online its stated that he and Vegeta were reaching their old age.

And when in their old age, Goku and Vegeta had such an epic final clash that it produced a supernova-esque like explosion.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Battle of Gods, GT and DBO are all three different continuities from each other, but they all follow up the same events. The general consensus from 2/3 is pretty clear too that Goku wasn't going to live for thousands of years.

GT had Goku dying and then going off with Shenlong after having become a kid earlier in the series though. It's a mess.

Toriyama placed Battle of Gods when he did because he felt the whole cast would be too old after Uub (this should presumably exclude the kids though).

DBO's timeline (which could have been created by Toriyama due to how well it matches his thought process and the fact that it was written in Japanese and then translated to Korean due to the sentence structures) has them going off to kill themselves on the battlefield because old age was going to be setting in.

[rereboy]

And when in their old age, Goku and Vegeta had such an epic final clash that it produced a supernova-esque like explosion.

They had that fight before their old age. They felt that the time of their peak was upon them so, instead of just becoming old and weaker, they had a final battle at their best.

In GT we see his grave and the likely hood of him dying of natural cause is greater than other means, but that assumption is only based on an implication as he proply wasn't wearing a Halo end of GT can't remember. Also DBO is different continuity from BOG so proply a different Goku.

GT is different because Goku apparently fused with Shenlong and we don't even know what that means.

[mAcChaos]

Something to throw into the discussion is Gero's statement that any gain Goku will get from training will be offset with age, meaning that his aging will even out whatever power he gains through training after a certain point. But of course, this was probably assumed back when Goku was in the power level range of the lower 400's and before he learned Kaioken or turned SSJ.

When did Gero say that?

[singsing]

Something to throw into the discussion is Gero's statement that any gain Goku will get from training will be offset with age, meaning that his aging will even out whatever power he gains through training after a certain point. But of course, this was probably assumed back when Goku was in the power level range of the lower 400's and before he learned Kaioken or turned SSJ.

When did Gero say that?

Talking right before 19 and Goku fight, they said they accounted for any training, and said he wouldn't get any stronger because of his age.

[90sDBZ]

I think Gero's calculations of Goku being past his prime are a load of bogus. His progress doesn't slow down as he gets older. It continues to increase at an even more rapid rate. And how would he calculate Saiyan aging anyway? The only older Saiyan he knew of was Nappa who he had only seen as he'd appeared on earth. He must have been simply going by human aging and applying it to Goku.

[ekrolo2]

I don't get how Toriyama's whole "everyones old when Uub shows up" argument makes any sense. I can kind of see it for Vegeta who's I believe in his mid 50s when Uub appears, but Goku's physically only 40 due to being dead for 7 years. Gohan's like 26-27, Piccolo's about 3 years younger than that and really its only the humans who should be getting weaker due to old age. If he's referring to a period after Uub's training is say complete and that takes anywhere between 5-10 years then it still only really makes Vegeta too old to fight at his maximum.