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I'm sure Toriyama will come out with a Cell can't train and get any stronger, he was already at his max or something like that only Freeza, and Uub can.
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Retan wrote:I'm sure Toriyama will come out with a Cell can't train and get any stronger, he was already at his max or something like that only Freeza, and Uub can.
So some bullshit to put Cell down even more as it is.... Great.
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta! I am the one who will defeat you!!" - Gogeta
I suppose it would depend entirely on how it is obtained. I feel like Super Saiyan God has a time limit because its foundation is the donation of ki/light from other Saiyans. If Freeza can obtain God Ki and do so on his own, I could see it being a permanent thing.
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Despair is the perfect word for this movie. >_< Totally feeling the "zetsubou" right now, but also feel like as soon as I get over it the semi-blind hope I've got will return. T_T
Retan wrote:It also reveals Cell is a complete failure.
To be fair, he was feeling himself out so much, he probably didn't think it was necessary to train prior to the Cell Games. Why train when you already feel you're millions of times stronger than your adversaries, and consider yourself perfect? His biggest weakness was his overconfidence.
With Frieza, everything is a little strange based on this manga. First of all, he already seems to know of Majin Buu, and possibly Beerus as well, yet he always preached being the strongest in the universe. Secondly, it's implied time and again that he was terrified of the super saiyan legend. And third, his entire goal was to wish for immortality. I always considered that a sign of his fears and self-doubts, but I guess he just wanted to live forever...
So really...Frieza is a complete failure if this is all to it... =P
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Same here. But imagining Freeza's godly powers indeed have a time limit, his new transformation makes up for it. For Kakarot, the explanation was that he was a prodigy, for Freeza, it is his new transformation that didn't let all his powers depleting by a great amount.
By the way, I saw that Freeza's new form is going to appear in Zenkai Battle Royale... I hope we won't get spoiled by a game. Just like it was for Super Saiyan God. (?) (can't remember, but I think Super Saiyan God appeared in Dragon Ball Heroes before the actual movie).
Chuquita wrote:Despair is the perfect word for this movie. >_< Totally feeling the "zetsubou" right now, but also feel like as soon as I get over it the semi-blind hope I've got will return. T_T
It's definitely a roller coaster for us. I'm still optimistic, at least.
I will laugh if this is all a red herring to throw us off for the sake of a joke. Toriyama has Freeza say he has massive potential and with train to bring it to the surface. So, Freeza trains super hard, but his gains amount to almost nothing. He realizes that he doesn't have the hidden potential he thought. So, he must try other methods like finding a transformation for his race or converting his energy into Divine Ki. =P
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Chuquita wrote:Despair is the perfect word for this movie. >_< Totally feeling the "zetsubou" right now, but also feel like as soon as I get over it the semi-blind hope I've got will return. T_T
It's definitely a roller coaster for us. I'm still optimistic, at least.
Torishima's now-ancient comment is the only thing left keeping me from completely fearing a generic, Koyama plot.
If my brain isn't completely fried, they should have two more wishes after they wish Freeza back, right? Or at least one, if the second wish is to bring him to a location? That might still be in play for something interesting.
dbzfan7 wrote:Imagine if Boo trained too. Beerus was trained, not Boo. So Boo would be the most broken of all.
I guess that's where the theory on Uub comes from.
Him too, but Boo has the broken powers, as well as absorption to make himself stronger. So more him I'd say.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I will laugh is this is all a red herring to throw us off for the sake of a joke. Toriyama has Freeza say he has massive potential and with train to bring it to the surface. So, Freeza trains super hard, but his gains amount to almost nothing. He realizes that he doesn't have the hidden potential he thought. So, he must try other methods like finding a transformation for his race or converting his energy into Divine Ki. =P
Awaiting the Freeza race super happy fun time circle of power. Super Freeza God AWAAAAAAAY!
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Yeah, this initial impression doesn't give me a good feeling at all. Why even introduce Tagoma if he dies before the story even begins and is around for like two minutes? Why do his henchmen revive him when, as demonstrated, he's a horrible boss? Why does Freeza decide to train now when he didn't do that last time he got revived after losing, if he supposedly knows he's a prodigy who can train himself to be stronger than Buu? Why does he know about Majin Buu?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I don't know. I can't stand not knowing when I want to know. It's one of the worst feelings. >_>
I dread the answers are going to be more simplistic and uninteresting. Surely most of the time the answer is the boring one, but can't F be one of the exceptions to that?
Oh, remembered now. Well, I'm used to not let me taking by any kind of comment, even it being positive or negative. But hey... Who knows? Maybe that being said by Torishima, it turns that the real thing is actually pretty awesome. But for now, I prefer simply wait and see.
I'm ok with him knowing about Buu. I mean, Vegeta was aware of the stuff that was going on during the Buu Arc while he was dead, and as for Freeza's men knowing about him, I can totally see them setting up some kind of satellite or something keeping an eye the place where the leaders of their organization were killed.
