Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Lord Beerus]

Four months to reach the Realm of Gods? You can't be serious...

And this thing started to hit my head, all this training stuff... Didn't Freeza said he used to train with his parents back in his Saga?

Maybe he just got lazy and thought, "Fuck it. My army can do the muscle work for me. I'm gonna sit in my hoverchair and take it easy."

[Bullza]

It's not just the amount of power he might gain that I have a problem but the whole idea behind it just sounds like lazy writing.

Nothing ever implied that Frieza had never trained in his life or that he was a prodigy or even a mutant born solely from his father because in the manga he mentioned his parents. I find it odd how someone whose never trained a day in his life can somehow go toe to toe with master class martial artists like Goku. He was also apparently skilled at mid air combat unlike Goku because he had little experience.

Then all of a sudden they say "Oh well Frieza has never trained before, he's special" and he's going to train for a little bit and suddenly be the strongest ever just like that.

Hopefully there's a lot more to it but if not then it's just as lazy as the "real" secret water Goku drank.

[Doctor.]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

Well, Goku is an alien so... Erm, oh wait, so is Freeza.

But! But Goku's a prodigy and fighting genius! Oh, wait... yeah, Freeza too.

Yes, and is it fair that Goku could never achieve the same strength as Beerus with training alone while Freeza, apparently from the looks of things, can? It's normal that it isn't going to sit well with anyone. The difference between Super Boo Gotenks and Base Goku in the Boo arc is around 6 thousand times, nevermind the difference between God Goku and Freeza.

[Dyno]

Four months to reach the Realm of Gods? You can't be serious...

And this thing started to hit my head, all this training stuff... Didn't Freeza said he used to train with his parents back in his Saga?

Maybe he just got lazy and thought, "Fuck it. My army can do the muscle work for me. I'm gonna sit in my hoverchair and take it easy."

If a Saiyan do that, we'll get Gohan in the seven years Time Skip. But what if Freeza? Does his power suffer a change if he keeps standing back?

And one more thing, Freeza returning to his First Form means his power did go back to 530.000? I mean... Is there an exact amount of energy to this?

[Lord Beerus]

It's not just the amount of power he might gain that I have a problem but the whole idea behind it just sounds like lazy writing.

Nothing ever implied that Freeza had never trained in his life or that he was a prodigy or even a mutant born solely from his father because in the manga he mentioned his parents. I find it odd how someone whose never trained a day in his life can somehow go toe to toe with master class martial artists like Goku. He was also apparently skilled at mid air combat unlike Goku because he had little experience.

Then all of a sudden they say "Oh well Freeza has never trained before, he's special" and he's going to train for a little bit and suddenly be the strongest ever just like that.

Hopefully there's a lot more to it but if not then it's just as lazy as the "real" secret water Goku drank.

To be fair, we next to nothing about the biology of Freeza's race. For all we know, their biology could be more broken than the Saiyans. And it most likely is given the fact that Freeza's true power was so insanely high that he had to create three separate forms just to control it. Who says Freeza can't become absurdly strong in a short amount of time? The Saiyans have been doing that sort of shit for years and nobody batted an eyelid at it. But when Freeza does it, everyone complains.

[Careless Saiyajin]

It's not just the amount of power he might gain that I have a problem but the whole idea behind it just sounds like lazy writing.

Nothing ever implied that Freeza had never trained in his life or that he was a prodigy or even a mutant born solely from his father because in the manga he mentioned his parents. I find it odd how someone whose never trained a day in his life can somehow go toe to toe with master class martial artists like Goku. He was also apparently skilled at mid air combat unlike Goku because he had little experience.

Then all of a sudden they say "Oh well Freeza has never trained before, he's special" and he's going to train for a little bit and suddenly be the strongest ever just like that.

Hopefully there's a lot more to it but if not then it's just as lazy as the "real" secret water Goku drank.

To be fair, we next to nothing about the biology of Freeza's race. For all we know, their biology could be more broken than the Saiyans. And it most likely is given the fact that Freeza's true power was so insanely high that he had to create three separate forms just to control it. Who says Freeza can't become absurdly strong in a short amount of time? The Saiyans have been doing that sort of shit for years and nobody batted an eyelid at it. But when Freeza does it, everyone complains.

Well said, I never thought of it like that, you make so much sense!

[AvatarReiko]

It's not just the amount of power he might gain that I have a problem but the whole idea behind it just sounds like lazy Who says Freeza can't become absurdly strong in a short amount of time? The Saiyans have been doing that sort of shit for years and nobody batted an eyelid at it. But when Freeza does it, everyone complains.

Except the saiyans never went from fodder to SSJG tier in the span four months. Goku, even after achieving SSJ3 was causally two shotted by Beerus, and stated that he could never reach god power on his own. And now Frieza returns and can suddenly go-toe-to-toe a god…with only four months of training?

[Gyt Kaliba]

And I see the power debates rage on, of course.

The way I look at it is this - I do kind of want there to be more to it than just 'Freeza trains, now he's suddenly able to outclass everyone, muahaha!', because that is a little...underwhelming. That said though, I don't see a single thing in it that makes it impossible. It's been stated that he never trained. His comment about the only person to ever put a scratch on him in his true form was his father doesn't mean that they trained together, it could just be that one day Freeza, being the arrogant little prick he is, said something to annoy his father, and papa Cold struck first, and it actually sorta hurt. It's all in the context, and that one off line doesn't really give us a whole lot to go on, thus it could be worked in many different ways.

As for Freeza keeping his body, or at least seeming to, while in Hell - keep in mind that this is manga, a completely visual medium, whereas the movie is going to be an anime, an audio and visual medium. Maybe in the film proper, it'll show just a puff cloud like one would expect, but we're given the benefit of hearing Nakao's instantly recognizable voice to tell us that it's Freeza.

Whoever (I want to say Blade?) earlier mentioned that too many people seem to get instantly riled up when new information flies in the face of their head-canon, and seem to forget that it's just that rather than actually true information, hit the nail on the head.

[Dyno]

Found this. Don't know if this was already put here.

[Hellspawn28]

If that's really Hell then Hell is looks more stranger then we imagine. It looks different then how we saw in the anime which is a good thing in my opinion. I think Freeza wrapped in a cocoon could be that he is wrapped up until his soul is clean and ready to be reincarnated. Anyone thinks that souls are wrapped up in trees in Hell until they are reincarnated?

[Doctor.]

Moving on...

31 pages, huh. The first chapters of a manga usually have a higher amount of pages. What was the case with Episode of Bardock and Yo! Son Goku and his friends return? I don't seem to recall if every chapter had the same amount of pages.

[AvatarReiko]

Hmm. I like the one just right from the middle.

Seriously though, who are/what are they, exactly. Could someone please enlighten me?

[Dyno]

Hmm. I like the one in the middle.

Seriously though, who are/what are they, exactly. Could someone please enlighten me?

Angels that kept Freeza in Hell.

[Lord Beerus]

It's not just the amount of power he might gain that I have a problem but the whole idea behind it just sounds like lazy Who says Freeza can't become absurdly strong in a short amount of time? The Saiyans have been doing that sort of shit for years and nobody batted an eyelid at it. But when Freeza does it, everyone complains.

Except the saiyans never went from fodder to SSJG tier in the span four months. Goku, even after achieving SSJ3 was causally two shotted by Beerus, and stated that he could never reach god power on his own. And now Freeza returns and can suddenly go-toe-to-toe a god…with only four months of training?

Goku went from a power level of 8000 to 150,000,000 in 6 six days.

Just putting that out there.

[Gyt Kaliba]

You know, I didn't even think about the soul cleaning...hmm. Is the idea that soul cleaning involves a machine something that comes only from movie 12, or was that actually stated somewhere prior? Cuz...what if the soul cleaning, at least in the case of incredibly evil people like Freeza, involves surrounding them by the insanely cute and pure. Maybe that's what's actually happening to Freeza there.

[Dyno]

Moving on...

31 pages, huh. The first chapters of a manga usually have a higher amount of pages. What was the case with Episode of Bardock and Yo! Son Goku and his friends return? I don't seem to recall if every chapter had the same amount of pages.

Episode of Bardock - Twenty pages for Chapter 1 and fifteen for Chapter 2 and 3.

I read OVA's Tarble recently but I didn't pay attention to that, but I think it is divided in thirty pages, each chapter or something like that.

[Drayenko]

The only thing I wanna know is why in hell would Freeza be revived by his minions.

[Bullza]

To be fair, we next to nothing about the biology of Freeza's race. For all we know, their biology could be more broken than the Saiyans. And it most likely is given the fact that Freeza's true power was so insanely high that he had to create three separate forms just to control it. Who says Freeza can't become absurdly strong in a short amount of time? The Saiyans have been doing that sort of shit for years and nobody batted an eyelid at it. But when Freeza does it, everyone complains.

From an In Universe perspective parts of it make sense, like you said he made three forms just to supress his power, his true form would be that far above 99.9999% of the rest of the universes population that I can see why he wouldn't bother to train.

How he somehow obtained these forms, learnt countless techniques and was a master class martial artist in both ground and air combat without ever training is just dubious. Why he decided to go to Earth without thinking to train the first time around also doesn't make sense.

But as I said more than anything it's just lazy writing to conveniently make him so powerful when nothing like this was implied before.

Someone mentioned that Frieza's comment is based on a Goku strong enough to beat Buu rather than someone as powerful as a SSJ God and he'd later learn of it and would them come up with another approach. That wouldn't be so bad but if it really is as simple as him just training for 4 months then that'd be lazy.

[Doctor.]

Goku went from a power level of 8000 to 150,000,000 in 6 six days.

Just putting that out there.

With Zenkais, something Freeza doesn't have access to. And a transformation.

With training only, he went from 8,000 to 90,000; a 11x difference, not even enough for Freeza to achieve Goku's SSJ level in BoG.

[Doctor.]

The only thing I wanna know is why in hell would Freeza be revived by his minions.

Perhaps he actually treated his empire and his subordinates in a moderately humane manner. The Ginyus didn’t seem to have a problem in initiating a normal conversation with Freeza. Zarbon and Dodoria also seemed comfortable enough around Freeza.

Taking real life as an example, we still have Neo Nazis who praise Hitler. Here in Portugal like 50% of the population doesn't hold any type of grudge towards a dictator who ruled over us for circa 30 years or so, and he only died in the 60s. When the Roman Empire split into two, I’m sure there were people who thought of the “good old days” where they were united with one leader.