Just cause something is enjoyable, doesn't mean it isn't completely stupid. I could very well enjoy the movie, even if it has problems up the ass. Just means I can't enjoy it's story. I could enjoy the interactions, fights, soundtrack maybe, humour. That all could still work for me.....just the plot I'm having issues with.fadeddreams5 wrote:I agree. Same goes for the whole SSJG and God ki thing.dbzfan7 wrote:I really do hate the author's immunity. I'm sure Toriyama might...might....make this work. But honestly if I posted this information in the fan works thread, and no one knew this was Toriyama's idea, would people still think it all sounds really good? It really feels like fanfiction to me so far.
Personally though, as long as the movie is cool, the action is intense, the tone is more serious than BoG, and Freeza is still the coldest mother****er in the neighborhood, I care little about what a contrived asspull the majority of the plot is, which is essentially what I expected it to be from the get-go. =P
After Cell's explanation of how he came back to life after self-destructing, I think I heard it all.
That's the biggest miracle I've seen so far. Goku not getting all the credit.FortuneSSJ wrote:Interesting how Toriyama didn't forget Future Trunks was the one who killed Freeza. Goku always took all the glory.
Not thar I agree that the movie going to suck. I'm going to give you a point of view from 2 years ago when I said the same thing about BoG. It's not hard to judge an anime movie from a preview or trailer. So far the plot DOES look a bit fanfiction. Xenoverse sounded less fanfiction than this to be honest.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Dragon Ball is full of things that, on the surface level, are completely stupid. And yet, they work in the context of that world, and as long as they're fun to behold...well, I don't really see the problem there then.
And again - We. Don't. Know. The. Whole. Story. Yet.
Then that's not a very good goal. I wouldn't label Dragon Ball enjoyable but completely stupid. It has it's stupid moments, but most have clearer reasons to them. Some of the ideas in this movie could work out better if there was more thought put into them. Like why couldn't Freeza be wished back years ahead of time instead of 4 months.Retan wrote:Which I'm sure that's all this movie is trying to do in the first place dbzfan7.
If anything I guess they're taking a page from the inconsistent Zenkai book, except applying it to Freeza. Both are pretty devoid of any sense.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Dragon Ball is full of things that, on the surface level, are completely stupid. And yet, they work in the context of that world, and as long as they're fun to behold...well, I don't really see the problem there then.
And again - We. Don't. Know. The. Whole. Story. Yet.
The thing that seems the most fanfictiony element to most people is the idea that through training Freeza can become more powerful than SSJ God Goku. YMMV on that regard, because while people view it as an asspull of epic proportions, others, including myself, see it as something plausible because, as shown with the Saiyans on many occasions, if you find the right method of training, your power level can skyrocket in just the span of a few days or weeks.fadeddreams5 wrote:So what do people mean when they say something looks "fanfiction"? Are you saying it looks generally bad? Or the plot is full of illogical asspulls? Or does reusing a character or villain automatically make something fanfictiony? I ask the last question cause people have been saying this since Freeza was announced to be revived. >_>
Except that it is kind of an asspull. In 4 months, Freeza not only catches up with Goku who has been training for what...15 years since he beat Freeza? Sorry I don't have the timeline fully down in my head but let's say 15. So in 4 months Freeza catches up with 15 years of training and surpasses him. Now if he trained for maybe a year in special conditions and Goku didn't train at all. I would believe Freeza could catch up and at least match SSJG Goku but the thing is that Goku is still training, in fact he is now training with Whis! So yeah It's really hard to imagine Freeza closing such a large power gap in such a short period of time. Prodigy or not.Lord Beerus wrote:The thing that seems the most fanfictiony element to most people is the idea that through training Freeza can become more powerful than SSJ God Goku. YMMV on that regard, because while people view it as an asspull of epic proportions, others, including myself, see it as something plausible because, as shown with the Saiyans on many occasions, if you find the right method of training, your power level can skyrocket in just the span of a few days or weeks.fadeddreams5 wrote:So what do people mean when they say something looks "fanfiction"? Are you saying it looks generally bad? Or the plot is full of illogical asspulls? Or does reusing a character or villain automatically make something fanfictiony? I ask the last question cause people have been saying this since Freeza was announced to be revived. >_>
Id be for something like a temporarily alliance only if Freeza turns on the Z Fighters later. Doesn't seen like it's something he'd do otherwisefadeddreams5 wrote:Truthfully, I would love to see Freeza allying himself with the others in the same vein Dr. Doom did when he teamed up with the rest of the Marvelverse to "stop" Thanos. He'd still be fucking evil and wouldn't turn over a new leaf like Piccolo or Vegeta.
That's just me. I'm pro-Frieza-living.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Did anyone already post this one here?! I checked the main page but they just talk about the first three pages we got.
I'm not sure there's much to debate. We can speculate, but with completely new things like a cute parade to torture Freeza there's not much to go on, so we'll just have to see the movie (or see more pages) to know whether there's actually anything to the cocoon.Despite Freeza being in a fucking cocoon of all things, we've somehow devolved into menial power level debates
'Buruma', the name of the character, is from 'burumaa', the underwear.danielsan_190196 wrote:Blooma?JulieYBM wrote:Toriyama's probably working under the same logic of "gotta keep everyone young enough so they still look like they did in the Majin Buu arc!"
I don't know what's stopping him from just having Blooma and Chi-Chi wish to be young again after the twenty-eighth Tenka'ichi Budoukai arc.
She/Her 
Reminds me of how Gohan and the gang were stored inside Buu.Hellspawn28 wrote:I think Freeza in the cocoon could be that all evil spirits in Hell stay in cocoons until their souls are clean and reborn. It's possible Radditz, Nappa, Zarbon, the Ginyu Force, Dr. Gero and Cell are in cocoons as well.
