Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Instead of being brought back with his whole body when wished back he is brought back in all the little pieces Trunks cut him into.

So they wished for a corpse that's no longer around? Wouldn't that be going into Enma Daio's territory since he has dominion over the living and dead? I don't know if this counts as an issue.

I don't believe I ever implied that I wasn't coming up with theories and rationalizations, or that the staff gives a damn about this stuff. I'm trying to give the least assumptive answers for questions I can that arise as a result of the facts that the manga gives us taken with the facts the film is giving us.

Proposition A is true, and Proposition B is true. They don't immediately appear compatible, and yet they're both true. What does it take for them both to be true? Whatever that is also has to be true. That's what I'm trying to determine here. That is, again, a normal thing to need to do in a DB story. Coming up with them is more constructive and engaging than bemoaning the lack of something we've never had and likely never will: all-encompassing, succinct, clear, neat, prefect exposition on the part of the staff. It just feels to me like the result of excessive optimism for one of the franchise's weakest aspects.

Which doesn't make them answers, just theories. Honestly those mean as much to me as fan calcs. Just rationalizations to cover up for writers who don't take the time to cover their own tracks.

Sorry but I have no idea what that means...you might have went all Morpheus on me

[RandomGuy96]

Anyway I read about the "official" conception of Toriyama about the Hell in the series and I really dislike that he is ignoring the anime and going only through the manga

The anime already ignored the manga repeatedly on the topic of Hell, and was completely stupid and nonsensical, so I don't blame Toriyama for disregarding it. Well, actually, he's using one of the stupidest parts of the anime in his Hell anyway (villains keeping their bodies), so whatever.

[Kaboom]

Maybe I'll just assume Freeza was, for some reason, brought back in the state he was when he actually died. Which happened when he was chopped up, but before Trunks incinerated the pieces.

...Anyone else?

[RandomGuy96]

Maybe I'll just assume Freeza was, for some reason, brought back in the state he was when he actually died. Which happened when he was chopped up, but before Trunks incinerated the pieces.

...Anyone else?

Wouldn't he be revived as two halves, then? And why would he be revived like that, when every other resurrection fully restored the dead person's body, even if it was reduced to chunks?

[Kakarot9001]

Anyway I read about the "official" conception of Toriyama about the Hell in the series and I really dislike that he is ignoring the anime and going only through the manga

The anime already ignored the manga repeatedly on the topic of Hell, and was completely stupid and nonsensical, so I don't blame Toriyama for disregarding it. Well, actually, he's using one of the stupidest parts of the anime in his Hell anyway (villains keeping their bodies), so whatever.

But all those fairy things in his Hell seems like something to please little kids, I like the way the Hell is described in the anime taking of course the way that the villains kept their bodies, Goku, Pikkon vs Ginyu Force, Freeza, Cold and Cell was a lame episode, but I enjoyed the past villains watching Goku's final battle against Boo and about the Hell appearance in GT no comments at all lol

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Maybe I'll just assume Freeza was, for some reason, brought back in the state he was when he actually died. Which happened when he was chopped up, but before Trunks incinerated the pieces.

...Anyone else?

Wouldn't he be revived as two halves, then? And why would he be revived like that, when every other resurrection fully restored the dead person's body, even if it was reduced to chunks?

Pretty much. If Shenlong worked like that, then all of first form Cell's victims would have likely been revived in a half goop state; somewhere between already being drained, but not enough to kill them yet.

[RandomGuy96]

Right, I forgot about those guys. Though it'd be pretty amusing if they were all walking around with holes in their chests and most of their insides missing. They'd die about a second after being revived. Well, no big deal. Just more and more excuses to declare this movie to be in a different continuity.

[Saiga]

Well that's just horrifying to consider.

I'm kind of sick of hearing about Toriyama's "betraying expectations" like that encompasses the entirety of his work. Just because something is unexpected doesn't make it better - he has certainly succeeded at betraying my expectations by flying way below them.

[Dayspring]

On Freeza's strength gains: It's worth noting that we have no idea as to how strong he can possibly get. He didn't think Goku would be as strong as his cyborg form, so he didn't train for that fight. Plus, didn't the trailer suggest he has a new transformation? Remember the randomness of his transformation thus far: he uses them to conserve his energy from 120 Million to 530,000. That leaves for a lot of possible training methods. Also, look at the difference in strengths between each form:

Initial: 530,000
Second: "Over 1,000,000"
Third: Between "Over 1,000,000" and 3,000,000
Fourth: 120,000,000

That's two doubling transformations and one x60 transformation. It's possible his next transformation would be x1,000 for plot purposes.

[Chuquita]

I'm now hoping Gokû becomes a regular on that Bulma blog. Man, that was cute. *u*
I wasn't even originally that interested in the blog, but I guess I'll be checking in on it now.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Well that's just horrifying to consider.

I'm kind of sick of hearing about Toriyama's "betraying expectations" like that encompasses the entirety of his work. Just because something is unexpected doesn't make it better - he has certainly succeeded at betraying my expectations by flying way below them.

Aren't you being presumptuous? We still don't know what the heck is going on. Just wait until the pages are leaked before jumping to conclusion.

[EmmaWinters]

Just wait until the pages are leaked before jumping to conclusion.

Even then, it's only a single chapter.
It's worth keeping in mind that we have a lot left to see.

[RandomGuy96]

On Freeza's strength gains: It's worth noting that we have no idea as to how strong he can possibly get. He didn't think Goku would be as strong as his cyborg form, so he didn't train for that fight. Plus, didn't the trailer suggest he has a new transformation? Remember the randomness of his transformation thus far: he uses them to conserve his energy from 120 Million to 530,000. That leaves for a lot of possible training methods. Also, look at the difference in strengths between each form:

Initial: 530,000
Second: "Over 1,000,000"
Third: Between "Over 1,000,000" and 3,000,000
Fourth: 120,000,000

That's two doubling transformations and one x60 transformation. It's possible his next transformation would be x1,000 for plot purposes.

Freeza's first three forms are irrelevant. Their power is whatever Freeza wants them to be. He created them as restrictive forms. His "final form" is his only "real" one. I guess you could classify his bulked-up state as a form, but that only boosted him from ~84,000,000 to 120,000,000.

Also, he never said his cyborg form was stronger than Goku. He said that he might be able to take Goku, but that he wanted to bring back up anyway. If he could just train for a day and become way stronger than Goku (as the four months comment would imply), his return would have played out far differently.

[Darkprince410]

On Freeza's strength gains: It's worth noting that we have no idea as to how strong he can possibly get. He didn't think Goku would be as strong as his cyborg form, so he didn't train for that fight. Plus, didn't the trailer suggest he has a new transformation? Remember the randomness of his transformation thus far: he uses them to conserve his energy from 120 Million to 530,000. That leaves for a lot of possible training methods. Also, look at the difference in strengths between each form:

The original dialogue implied a transformation (using the word henshin), but then revised versions of that same dialogue changed the line to evolution (using the word shinka). Given that the dialogue was changed suggests that it isn't a transformation rather than suggesting that it is.

[EmmaWinters]

The original dialogue implied a transformation (using the word henshin), but then revised versions of that same dialogue changed the line to evolution (using the word shinka). Given that the dialogue was changed suggests that it isn't a transformation rather than suggesting that it is.

This is very true, and worth keeping in mind. I'll be rather surprised if we end up with anything like his other transformations.

[Kid Buu]

The entire movie should just be Freeza training in 80s montage style.

HEARTS ON FIRE!

[Bonus Stage]

Maybe I'll just assume Freeza was, for some reason, brought back in the state he was when he actually died. Which happened when he was chopped up, but before Trunks incinerated the pieces.

...Anyone else?

Wouldn't he be revived as two halves, then? And why would he be revived like that, when every other resurrection fully restored the dead person's body, even if it was reduced to chunks?

Pretty much. If Shenlong worked like that, then all of first form Cell's victims would have likely been revived in a half goop state; somewhere between already being drained, but not enough to kill them yet.

Maybe Freeza still alive after being cut into several pieces. Maybe what killed Freeza was the Trunks' Explosive Attack.

Maybe the guys absorbed by Cell never revived. Only those who were killed in the attacks on islands.

Maybe...

[Bonus Stage]

Bulma blog News: http://s.ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry ... 29536.html

[sintzu]

Do you all think there's a chance Frieza will kill Trunks ?

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Do you all think there's a chance Freeza will kill Trunks ?

No. I highly doubt that any of the Z fighters are gonna die in this movie. The only casualties we will probably get is a small city being destroyed.
Which of course will be fixed by the end of the movie with the Dragon Balls.....