"Revival of F" Powere differences Theory?

[Zeshen]

So while I was on deviantArt, I happened upon a discussion oh how Freeza could train in a short amount of time and in doing so rival/surpass Goku and company's power. The-Devils-Corpse suggested Freeza could have a large pool of untapped power because he was already one of the strongest beings in the universe without having to train. I agree with him on this point. What I started thinking about though is how Freeza might tap into that power in such a short amount of time. I'm gonna throw out a hypothetical "1 year" out there.

And my theory is this... The Room of Space and Time.
but not Earth's.

We hardly know nothing about Freeza's race, but we do know Namekians and Earthlings alike both had elder people "guarding" their planet. As we know nothing about their culture aside from being power hungry, we can possibly assume they might have an elder of their race as well. The elder (who may or may not exist) could possibly have access to or knowledge of a similar dimension. It might be entirely possible that Freeza's race could have their own "Room of Space and Time" which allowed their race to become increasingly more powerful over the generations. It could be entirely possible why that's why they guard their planet with such secrecy (aside from revenge from any other beings they have wronged.

Of course this is all conjecture and theory but I thought it was as good of theory as any. Any thought's on this from anyone else?

[Hitiro]

So while I was on deviantArt, I happened upon a discussion oh how Freeza could train in a short amount of time and in doing so rival/surpass Goku and company's power. The-Devils-Corpse suggested Freeza could have a large pool of untapped power because he was already one of the strongest beings in the universe without having to train. I agree with him on this point. What I started thinking about though is how Freeza might tap into that power in such a short amount of time. I'm gonna throw out a hypothetical "1 year" out there.

And my theory is this... The Room of Space and Time.
but not Earth's.

We hardly know nothing about Freeza's race, but we do know Namekians and Earthlings alike both had elder people "guarding" their planet. As we know nothing about their culture aside from being power hungry, we can possibly assume they might have an elder of their race as well. The elder (who may or may not exist) could possibly have access to or knowledge of a similar dimension. It might be entirely possible that Freeza's race could have their own "Room of Space and Time" which allowed their race to become increasingly more powerful over the generations. It could be entirely possible why that's why they guard their planet with such secrecy (aside from revenge from any other beings they have wronged.

Of course this is all conjecture and theory but I thought it was as good of theory as any. Any thought's on this from anyone else?

Freeza has to have gotten some ridiculous power-up from somewhere. I understand that Freeza is incredibly strong for his race and the fact that he didn't have to train to get to that point. In an interview with Akira Toriyama he says that both Freeza and his father are abnormal for their race.

About how many of Freeza’s race are there? Are they quite thriving, with a big population?

Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.
Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

But I can't imagine that simply training earnestly, even for a year, would result in him surpassing a SSJ Vegetto level character(Considering Goku has apparently absorbed the Godly Ki into his base form putting him on equal peggings with Beerus who was fighting at 70%(?)). Something crazy must have happened for him to be able to get to that level.

[Zeshen]

Oh I see. I guess I missed that tidbit of info (it happens) but C'est la vie.

[Low Tone G]

So while I was on deviantArt, I happened upon a discussion oh how Freeza could train in a short amount of time and in doing so rival/surpass Goku and company's power. The-Devils-Corpse suggested Freeza could have a large pool of untapped power because he was already one of the strongest beings in the universe without having to train. I agree with him on this point. What I started thinking about though is how Freeza might tap into that power in such a short amount of time. I'm gonna throw out a hypothetical "1 year" out there.

And my theory is this... The Room of Space and Time.
but not Earth's.

We hardly know nothing about Freeza's race, but we do know Namekians and Earthlings alike both had elder people "guarding" their planet. As we know nothing about their culture aside from being power hungry, we can possibly assume they might have an elder of their race as well. The elder (who may or may not exist) could possibly have access to or knowledge of a similar dimension. It might be entirely possible that Freeza's race could have their own "Room of Space and Time" which allowed their race to become increasingly more powerful over the generations. It could be entirely possible why that's why they guard their planet with such secrecy (aside from revenge from any other beings they have wronged.

Of course this is all conjecture and theory but I thought it was as good of theory as any. Any thought's on this from anyone else?

Freeza has to have gotten some ridiculous power-up from somewhere. I understand that Freeza is incredibly strong for his race and the fact that he didn't have to train to get to that point. In an interview with Akira Toriyama he says that both Freeza and his father are abnormal for their race.

About how many of Freeza’s race are there? Are they quite thriving, with a big population?

Freeza is what you might call a mutated life-form. Strictly speaking, Freeza’s father is a mutant with an abnormally high battle power. And, born from his father alone, still in strong possession of the mutant traits, was Freeza.
Accordingly, even saying “Freeza’s race”, these two are the only ones who possess an abnormal [level of] battle power and cruelty.

But I can't imagine that simply training earnestly, even for a year, would result in him surpassing a SSJ Vegetto level character(Considering Goku has apparently absorbed the Godly Ki into his base form putting him on equal peggings with Beerus who was fighting at 70%(?)). Something crazy must have happened for him to be able to get to that level.

Freeza said about himself that he is prodigy. So we should wait for an explanation... Maybe it's not that simple that he is a mutant???(although being a mutant could also mean being a prodigy to like the X-men are). But Freeza claimed that many times in the Namek saga that he is strongest being in the universe, so maybe that's why he calls himself a prodigy, because he did literally nothing to become so strong. Maybe he knows that Beerus trains all the time, and maybe he also knew that Majin Buu is a power of nature who becomes more violent only by absorbing the hatred of mankind. After knowing these, he can call himself a prodigy in the sense that he has skills born with him and not acquired. So being a person of the choice he believes that he can become stronger than anyone if he really wants to. Maybe he was too selfish in Namek saga to train and he better chose to become immortal.

As for the fact that he was the strongest being back then in was actually right. Let's think about it... Even if he knew that Majin Buu was stronger than himself, Majin Buu was sealed. He may also knew that Beerus is also stronger than himself, but he tends to sleep for decades and doesn't really cares about him to destroy several planets.

I've always wondered during the Namek saga why wanted Freeza to become immortal if he dind't really have an actual noteworthy foe. But maybe he wanted to be protected if one of the threats he knew would show up someday. We already know that Freeza knew about every being who can possibly kill him: The Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God, Majin Buu and Beerus.
He believed that he eliminated tha Saiyan danger and maybe afterwards planned to find a way to become protected Majin Buu and Beerus, but postponed the training because of the shame, that he always claimed to be the strongest, and never wanted to turn that out false. So he was happy to find out that there are some orbs which grant him any wish.

[Dayspring]

I also missed that bit of interview, but even that alone can explain how Freeza got to be so powerful in such a short amount of time. All we know about mutants is that they defy all conventional ideas in terms of strength and growth. Elite fighters the Universe over are shown never to hit the 30,000s until Goku and Vegeta in the Namek saga. All exceptions are mutants and people descended from Goku and Vegeta.

We also don't know for 100% certainty if Cell's ability to absorb energy from the tail is exclusive to him or if it came from Freeza's DNA. It's possible his "training for 4 months" was actually just him running around a few solar systems all day and night absorbing all the planet's life.

EDIT: Heck, maybe his species can even fuse like how Namekkians can.

[mAcChaos]

We already know that Freeza knew about every being who can possibly kill him: The Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God, Majin Buu and Beerus.

Beerus and Saiyans I understand, but when did Freeza learn about Buu?

[Hitiro]

I also missed that bit of interview, but even that alone can explain how Freeza got to be so powerful in such a short amount of time. All we know about mutants is that they defy all conventional ideas in terms of strength and growth. Elite fighters the Universe over are shown never to hit the 30,000s until Goku and Vegeta in the Namek saga. All exceptions are mutants and people descended from Goku and Vegeta.

We also don't know for 100% certainty if Cell's ability to absorb energy from the tail is exclusive to him or if it came from Freeza's DNA. It's possible his "training for 4 months" was actually just him running around a few solar systems all day and night absorbing all the planet's life.

EDIT: Heck, maybe his species can even fuse like how Namekkians can.

He'd have to absorb the whole universe before he could be on par with Goku if Base Goku is above SSJ Vegetto. I'd also honestly like to see him try and gather as many absorptions he needs to be on par with Base Godku in 4 months. In the movie dialogue it says he has a new transformation. If it is similar to the Saiyan's God form then it is understandable why he can fight on par with Base Godku. But honestly there is no way 4 months of training can lead him to be SSJ Vegetto+ tier

[Rozay]

He wanted to be immortal not for tactical reasons, but to rule over the universe forever. Simple. He's a tyrant.

[Dayspring]

I also missed that bit of interview, but even that alone can explain how Freeza got to be so powerful in such a short amount of time. All we know about mutants is that they defy all conventional ideas in terms of strength and growth. Elite fighters the Universe over are shown never to hit the 30,000s until Goku and Vegeta in the Namek saga. All exceptions are mutants and people descended from Goku and Vegeta.

We also don't know for 100% certainty if Cell's ability to absorb energy from the tail is exclusive to him or if it came from Freeza's DNA. It's possible his "training for 4 months" was actually just him running around a few solar systems all day and night absorbing all the planet's life.

EDIT: Heck, maybe his species can even fuse like how Namekkians can.

He'd have to absorb the whole universe before he could be on par with Goku if Base Goku is above SSJ Vegetto. I'd also honestly like to see him try and gather as many absorptions he needs to be on par with Base Godku in 4 months. In the movie dialogue it says he has a new transformation. If it is similar to the Saiyan's God form then it is understandable why he can fight on par with Base Godku. But honestly there is no way 4 months of training can lead him to be SSJ Vegetto+ tier

You're still assuming Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegetto. When was that ever suggested? Another thing is that you're assuming it's impossible for four months of training to make Freeza as strong as he's being shown to have become. Remember that he's A) Freeza and B) the point of the movie is that Freeza becomes that strong from four months of training.

Also, considering how much of a cheat SSJ God is, it's not unlikely to assume Freeza trained for four months before realizing how to activate his own version of God ki.

[Low Tone G]

I also missed that bit of interview, but even that alone can explain how Freeza got to be so powerful in such a short amount of time. All we know about mutants is that they defy all conventional ideas in terms of strength and growth. Elite fighters the Universe over are shown never to hit the 30,000s until Goku and Vegeta in the Namek saga. All exceptions are mutants and people descended from Goku and Vegeta.

We also don't know for 100% certainty if Cell's ability to absorb energy from the tail is exclusive to him or if it came from Freeza's DNA. It's possible his "training for 4 months" was actually just him running around a few solar systems all day and night absorbing all the planet's life.

EDIT: Heck, maybe his species can even fuse like how Namekkians can.

He'd have to absorb the whole universe before he could be on par with Goku if Base Goku is above SSJ Vegetto. I'd also honestly like to see him try and gather as many absorptions he needs to be on par with Base Godku in 4 months. In the movie dialogue it says he has a new transformation. If it is similar to the Saiyan's God form then it is understandable why he can fight on par with Base Godku. But honestly there is no way 4 months of training can lead him to be SSJ Vegetto+ tier

You're still assuming Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegetto. When was that ever suggested? Another thing is that you're assuming it's impossible for four months of training to make Freeza as strong as he's being shown to have become. Remember that he's A) Freeza and B) the point of the movie is that Freeza becomes that strong from four months of training.

Also, considering how much of a cheat SSJ God is, it's not unlikely to assume Freeza trained for four months before realizing how to activate his own version of God ki.

Not only suggested, but clearly stated that Goku doesn't need to become SSJ-God once again, because he has it's power permanently. If Beerus was stated to be the strongest being, and God Goku admitted that the God himself's power it's something he never imagined to exist it's more than sure that Vegetto's potential isn't something to compare with God Goku's state. Not to mention that Goku was comparing Vegetto's/Gogeta's potential to Beerus' suppressed power on King Kai's planet... Beerus was stated as he didn't even use his full power during the whole movie, only 70% of it.

For the topic....

It's clear that Freeza only wants to surpass normal Goku's power, because their henchmen only told him that Goku defated Majin Buu, so they don't know that Goku has now God stated/power. So I think in that case 4 months might be enough for him be slightly above a SSJ3 level... We must remember that Base Goku power(prior God ritual) is still below Freeza's maximum from Namek saga. So Freeza has a huge advantage over Goku who began to train from 10 units , and Freeza will begin from 120.000.000 units...

How can Freeza know about Majin and his power?....

Maybe he could hear of him from Beerus(in BOG he didn't recognize Mr. Buu because he is very different from the Buu he might know, and Beerus was asking Whis only about Freeza, So Whis didn't really bother tell him about Cell and Buu).

[Hitiro]

You're still assuming Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegetto. When was that ever suggested? Another thing is that you're assuming it's impossible for four months of training to make Freeza as strong as he's being shown to have become. Remember that he's A) Freeza and B) the point of the movie is that Freeza becomes that strong from four months of training.

Also, considering how much of a cheat SSJ God is, it's not unlikely to assume Freeza trained for four months before realizing how to activate his own version of God ki.

I'm not assuming anything really on the part of Goku's strength. In the film when Goku had lost SSJGod Beerus says "Even though he have changed back to normal you've absorbed that world into your being. That's why your power hasn't dropped much when you turned back to normal."

Also. A) It doesn't matter if it is Freeza. No character can get over 1,000x stronger in only 4 months unless it is some sort of transformation. Or he obtained God Ki somehow, or both. B) The point of the movie is Freeza has a new transformation. Not that he's "become strong from months of training." And really, 1,000x stronger is really the minimum. If we consider SSJ Godku which means Freeza needs to get something like 50,000x stronger. I'm also probably underrating a SSJ Vegetto level power up to be honest. Being realistic if we assume Pre-BOG base Goku was 50% Freeza's final form. And assume the weakest increases for Goku to be destroyed by the more powerful characters then it should look like this.

base Goku: 0.5x Freeza
SSJ3 Goku: 200x Freeza
SSJ3 Gotenks and Evil Boo: 400x Freeza
Chou Gohan: 800x Freeza
Boohan: 1,200x Freeza
SSJ Vegetto: 2,400x Freeza

^This is assuming that every character that overpowered the each other were 2x stronger than each other. SSJ Vegetto could be even higher and so could Gohan and also so could SSJ3 Gotenks. The best case scenario for SSJ3 Gotenks and Evil Boo are that they are 8x stronger than Goku because Goku says SSJ Gotenks could handle Fat Boo putting him at around SSJ3 Goku's level. In that case. If we were to assume the worst case scenario for the rest of the characters then Freeza would need to become 9,600x stronger to be on par with SSJ Vegetto.

If you want to go further then Beerus should be at least 2x SSJ Vegetto putting him at 19,200x Freeza. If we assume base Godku lost no Godly Ki after he lost SSJGod then Goku could only handle 70% Beerus. Meaning that Freeza would need to get 13,440x to draw with base Godku.

Also, where is this "months of training" coming from? Is there some information I've missed about the movie? Because I don't recall there being something like that in the trailers I saw.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/02/18/d ... -spoilers/

Frieza then said that he still has power yet to be shown and that it would only take just 4 months to train to defeat Goku in the blink of an eye.

[Hitiro]

http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/02/18/d ... -spoilers/

Freeza then said that he still has power yet to be shown and that it would only take just 4 months to train to defeat Goku in the blink of an eye.

There a Kanzenshuu link confirming this or?...

Edit: Nevermind. Seen it on the front page. Will check it out.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Edit: Cool.

[Hitiro]

Well, the Kanzenshuu news on it says nothing about 4 months. Freeza apparently just says he's a prodigy so if he brings all of his dormant power out through training he should surpass them. So until I get a legit confirmation from them I'll hold my reservation about this apparent 4 months worth of training.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

This has been discussed in greater length in the movie thread. It's legit.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Kanzenshuu was reporting on someone else's summary. They don't have the book in hand yet, and thus wouldn't be able to report all the details (true or not).

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Pretty sure it would've been confirmed as fake if it was.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=9300

Just read through the thread.

[Hugo Boss]

I'm looking forward to see what kind of training Freeza will undergo. It must be one hell of a training and, since he is a prodigy, 4 months are merely for plot convenience purposes. It was never meant to be consistent either way.

[Hitiro]

Pretty sure it would've been confirmed as fake if it was.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=9300

Just read through the thread.

Well it hasn't been confirmed it's true yet. I mean they already made the mistake of saying that Baba and Freeza are chummy with each other. While Herms says that it's an easy thing to do I can't put it past them that they didn't make other mistakes. I mean most Dragon Ball fans should know that Baba and Freeza are not pals yet this mistake is still posted.