Which score was the darkest?

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:43 pm

Which score(s) do you think had the darkest feel? From what i've heard Nathan Johnson's seemed pretty creepy and dark, almost like horror film BGM or something. The Megaman/Monster Rancher/Tom Keenlyside score in the Westwood dub also fell into the "horror" film BGM mold at times, although it balanced it out with a lot of cheerful saturday morning cartoon esque music and action/rock stuff. The Faulconer productions score i recall had a few dark compositions, like the music that plays when Cell is killing everyone in his imperfect form, although their score for the most part was action based. The Levy score in the Saban dub is a strange one since it was goofy comedic music a lot of the time, although that score had some really dark stuff, like that music that plays in the Kamehameha-Galick Gun Beam struggle. As for the Japanese scores, i admittedly haven't heard that much of them, but none of them struck me as particularly dark, overall they seem a lot less grim and bleak when compared to the North American replacement scores.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:07 am

Though the original Japanese scores are not dark as a whole, they have plenty of dark tracks.

Kikuchi:
http://youtu.be/H4WRouGk9oE
http://youtu.be/egk6zHoI5VQ
http://youtu.be/CaTC6mrcuMg
http://youtu.be/yu0VrKQbz80
http://youtu.be/Kx_axP1LQxo
http://youtu.be/38xARz69CAI
http://youtu.be/lCGrsIup2a8
http://youtu.be/UrbjevkNQIs
http://youtu.be/z4G3yVXU80Y
http://youtu.be/ZwXAa1mDlOI
http://youtu.be/NnjR-RI2B2c
http://youtu.be/e2rPRGj2BAQ
http://youtu.be/LVm2llG7wtI
http://youtu.be/Fnwlhtu9-vE

Sumitomo:
http://youtu.be/IUgyTXCdqds
http://youtu.be/gAQ2S1i0OSA
http://youtu.be/OwbNUBLsOkE

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:14 am

Yeah, Kikuchi's scores for the first three Dragon Ball Z films are hugely 'dark'. He never quite replicated that grand, but uneasy feel for the second film, though. His score for the third film was 'sweeping' in every sense of the word.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:29 am

The score where Piccolo killed Gokû and Raditz with Makankosappo is certainly dark. The scores in Trunks TV Special feel very dark and bleak.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:22 am

I definitely agree that Johnson's score has an overall darker feel than Faulconer's. It definitely has a few horror elements in some scenes. The Faulconer score has some dark tracks, too, especially from the Cell Arc. Not familiar with the Levy score outside of clips, so can't judge it fairly here. The Westwood Music....I can't judge the full package, but I can judge the Mega Man music on its own. I don't really get a dark feel at all from these tracks, though. Kikuchi's DB music could be dark at times, as well.

However, I would say, out of the ones I've heard so far, the consistently darkest score award would go to Nathan Johnson, definitely. And I love every minute of it.

DarkPrince_92 · Post by **DarkPrince_92** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:13 pm

That Kikuchi track, Cooler's theme is probably my favorite from that list, aside from the first one. So fitting.

Black_Liger · Post by **Black_Liger** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:59 pm

This track, Indestructible Beerus,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwbNUBL ... e=youtu.be

though it might not seem that dark at first glance, it has a much bigger meaning, why? It sounds like a dying planet. devoid of hope.

There is no sound in space as there is no way for sound to travel, but there was a project that took some waves samples of different planets, they converted them to audio waves and this is what they got,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToXaNUjNfS4

The indestructible Beerus track resembles these, but as the planets in the video above sound vigoriously, Indestructible beerus has the sound of a bleak and dying planet. My opinion of the Sumitomo score has changed a lot, but this track fills me with awe.

The blackness of Space track has a similar vibe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfEJTHI ... m12bNXo-oC

I only need to turn the volume up, and I get chills, quite probably the most ethereal track of DBZ yet, it has striking resemblance to the nasa sound project... Perhaps Sumitomo did his fair reasearch?... I don't know, I just know these tracks creep me the hell out XD

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:18 pm

Black_Liger wrote:This track, Indestructible Beerus,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwbNUBL ... e=youtu.be

That track is so eerily magnificent. And fitting given how crazy awesome Beerus can be.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:25 am

I'd say the Levy/Wasserman score, and that's part of the reason why I love it. It really felt appropriate when all the Z Fighters were being killed off by Nappa.

Team Faulconer's score was awesomely dark at times too, especially Super Buu's various themes when he invaded the lookout. Plus Imperfect Cell's music and the theme that plays when Vegeta gets taken over by Babidi.

Nathan Jonson's and Mark Menza's scores were all around pretty dark.

Kikuchi was dark at times. I consider the King Piccolo saga in particular to be dark sounding, which also happens to be were I think Kikuchi reached his peak.

The Megaman score had maybe one or two dark pieces but was mostly just bland action music.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:56 pm

90sDBZ wrote:I'd say the Levy/Wasserman score, and that's part of the reason why I love it. It really felt appropriate when all the Z Fighters were being killed off by Nappa.

Team Faulconer's score was awesomely dark at times too, especially Super Buu's various themes when he invaded the lookout. Plus Imperfect Cell's music and the theme that plays when Vegeta gets taken over by Babidi.

Nathan Jonson's and Mark Menza's scores were all around pretty dark.

Kikuchi was dark at times. I consider the King Piccolo saga in particular to be dark sounding, which also happens to be were I think Kikuchi reached his peak.

The Megaman score had maybe one or two dark pieces but was mostly just bland action music.

I agree the action stuff was really bland, but the score had just as much dark material like these pieces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqZxFyv3m3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xue7DqmLQ3Q (imo some of the scariest music used in any Dragon Ball score)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTH1GoQm60U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOplprKTUw

I know that's only 4 pieces of music but they were used to death in the Westwood dub. There's also the music used from 6:24 to 8:04 here which isn't necessarily dark, but very moody.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:43 pm

^Whoa, those Ocean pieces are borderline demonic-sounding. These are definitely not from Mega Man.

NitroEX · Post by **NitroEX** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:07 pm

Kakacarrottop wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xue7DqmLQ3Q (imo some of the scariest music used in any Dragon Ball score)

If I remember correctly this one was used while Dabura was meditating before fighting Gohan.

It was also used when Vegeta's arm was broken by 18. http://youtu.be/ddjffDq275w?t=2m53s

Fit both scenes really well.

Besides the ones you pointed out I'de say the other creepy/dark track would be this one

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:17 am

The Levy score was super dark all the time. I loved it actually, though it did get monotonous sometimes, at least the episodes I knew.

Dark is my fav style btw. I did a lot of the villain themes for the Faulconer version. (17 & 18, Garlic Jr, Demon Mist, Dr. Gero, Cell Returns, Imperfect Cell) + the metal stuff used for Trunks (Destruction)

Besides the themes...this was probably the creepiest thing I ever worked on for the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDfR7jdYEI
The original bed was Mike's work, but the editing and most of the creepy sounds over the top are my own.

And for something completely unrelated to DBZ =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebL7eRSieM
(beat that lol)

Some of my dark favs that other guys wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYdccfJLXU (Frieza revival) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5ui6ZKSPk (16 rips off Cell's Tail) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOxh8QNLX78s (Devastation) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrLvJiBDGZ4 (Mysterious Person) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKnIVoWh2U (Majins) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCwQmCHeU7E (GInyu Transformation) Bruce Faulconer

thaman91 · Post by **thaman91** » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:35 am

cRookie_Monster wrote:The Levy score was super dark all the time. I loved it actually, though it did get monotonous sometimes, at least the episodes I knew.

Dark is my fav style btw. I did a lot of the villain themes for the Faulconer version. (17 & 18, Garlic Jr, Demon Mist, Dr. Gero, Cell Returns, Imperfect Cell) + the metal stuff used for Trunks (Destruction)

Besides the themes...this was probably the creepiest thing I ever worked on for the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDfR7jdYEI
The original bed was Mike's work, but the editing and most of the creepy sounds over the top are my own.

And for something completely unrelated to DBZ =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebL7eRSieM
(beat that lol)

Some of my dark favs that other guys wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYdccfJLXU (Freeza revival) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5ui6ZKSPk (16 rips off Cell's Tail) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOxh8QNLX78s (Devastation) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrLvJiBDGZ4 (Mysterious Person) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKnIVoWh2U (Majins) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCwQmCHeU7E (GInyu Transformation) Bruce Faulconer

Wow, Mike Smith sure did a lot! For some reason I thought he had left before the Buu arc and it was Julius Dobos that did all of those later themes.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:19 am

thaman91 wrote:
cRookie_Monster wrote:The Levy score was super dark all the time. I loved it actually, though it did get monotonous sometimes, at least the episodes I knew.

Dark is my fav style btw. I did a lot of the villain themes for the Faulconer version. (17 & 18, Garlic Jr, Demon Mist, Dr. Gero, Cell Returns, Imperfect Cell) + the metal stuff used for Trunks (Destruction)

Besides the themes...this was probably the creepiest thing I ever worked on for the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDfR7jdYEI
The original bed was Mike's work, but the editing and most of the creepy sounds over the top are my own.

And for something completely unrelated to DBZ =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebL7eRSieM
(beat that lol)

Some of my dark favs that other guys wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYdccfJLXU (Freeza revival) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5ui6ZKSPk (16 rips off Cell's Tail) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOxh8QNLX78s (Devastation) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrLvJiBDGZ4 (Mysterious Person) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKnIVoWh2U (Majins) Mike Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCwQmCHeU7E (GInyu Transformation) Bruce Faulconer
Wow, Mike Smith sure did a lot! For some reason I thought he had left before the Buu arc and it was Julius Dobos that did all of those later themes.

He did do a lot, but you are correct about the Buu arc. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think any of the above tracks are from the Buu saga.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:32 am

^Mysterious Person and Majins are definitely from the Buu Arc, the latter I mostly associate as Babidi's theme.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:08 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:^Mysterious Person and Majins are definitely from the Buu Arc, the latter I mostly associate as Babidi's theme.

I'm pretty sure both of those came much before Buu appeared. I know for a fact Mike wrote Mysterious Person, and Mike didn't stay on to see Buu.

If you are counting the Majin Sagas as the Buu arc then that's different. Mysterious Person was first used during the tournament on earth. I'm not sure about the Majins theme, but I thought it was more associated with the Majin Vegeta story arc.

[EDIT]
I did some research. 232 is the first appearance of Buu and the start of the Buu Saga. Mike left somewhere in the Babidi Saga. I'm not sure exactly where.

Babidi Saga:

Uncut Version (12 episodes):
220. The Wizard's Curse
221. King of the Demons
222. Vegeta Attacks
223. Next Up, Goku
224. Battle Supreme
225. Eighteen Unmasks
226. Pay to Win
227. Heart of a Villain
228. The Dark Prince Returns - this is when Vegeta got his "M" mark
229. Vegeta’s Pride
230. The Long Awaited Fight
231. Magic Ball of Buu

Majin Buu Saga:

Uncut Version (22 Episodes):
232. Buu Is Hatched!

ohh, from a different page they have a distinction between the "Majin Buu Saga" and the "Buu Arc".

Going by that, Mike was around for the Babdi Saga, and was in the beginning of the "Buu Arc", but not the "Majin Buu Saga". Lol

Buu Arc

Great Saiyaman Saga
World Tournament Saga
Babidi Saga
Majin Buu Saga

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:13 pm

^Ah, that would explain it. I'm referring to the entire batch (200-291) as the Buu Arc in this case.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:24 pm

Thinking on it more, I'm not even 100% sure he was around for the Babidi Saga. He could have written some of those themes during the World Tournament Saga(which I'm 100% sure he worked on). I haven't talked to Mike in a while. I should ask him next time I do. Julius would also know of course.

Pliskin Femto · Post by **Pliskin Femto** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:37 pm

Kikuchi's tracks used during the Namek Saga are effectively dark. Same goes for the Android Saga, though when we reach the Cell Games I guess Faulconer's music is darker.
In Dragon Ball GT the entire Western score is too down-beat and dark, while the Japanese score is more melancholic and heroic.

I only like the Japanese OST's personally but I think the Western ones worked really well in DBZ from the Cell Games onward.

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