"Revival of F" Powere differences Theory?

[Dayspring]

I think you guys are either mis-remembering Battle of Gods or are remembering something from a dub. At no point does Goku ever make a comment about fusion. Vegeta tells Gotenks that he's no match for Beerus, but that's it. Goku does indeed manage to "stay in the world" of gods, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than SSJ Vegetto. It just means he's much stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Remember that even SSJ Vegeta is shown to be able to hold his own against Beerus for a while. This is done by him abandoning his pride. That motif ends up being the big lesson throughout SSJG Goku's fight against Beerus, with Piccolo even commenting on how it seems more like Beerus is training Goku than fighting him. I really think it's more a matter of God Ki being a new type of Ki that anyone can use, just that only a select few deities (Kaioshins, Beerus, Whis) have mastered. Look at the training trend over the course of the series:

1) No use of Ki (Pre-Kami's training)
2) Use of Regular Ki (Kami's training)
3) Mastering the use of Regular Ki (Kaiokens)
4) Use of Super Saiyan Ki (SSJ)
5) Mastering the use of SSJ Ki (FP-SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3)
6) Use of God Ki (SSJ God)

By taking things seriously and getting ready to train, Freeza would be abandoning his pride as well. This tells me Freeza will be tapping into God Ki as well. Once he does, it doesn't matter how powerful Goku is, because they'll be on par with each other in the world of gods.

If we were to use a tank of energy as an example, the full tank would represent 10,000. Goku starts off 10, use SSJ to fill it to 500, SSJ2 to fill it to 1,000 and SSJ3 to fill it to 4,000. He can now also use God Ki to fill it to 8,000. Freeza would start at 120 and use God Ki to fill it to 8,000 as well. Once both have mastered the use of God Ki, it's just another means to tap into one's inner power. In the same sense that SSJ made Kaiokens completely obsolete, so too does the mastering of God Ki make all the training and SSJ forms we've seen thus far.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Spoiler:

Definitely not a dub line.

[Dayspring]

Spoiler:

Definitely not a dub line.

What. The. Fuck.

I literally do not have those shots in my version of the film. It's much more zoomed in on his face (to the point where you no longer see Bubbles in the shot) and has him saying he's never fought anybody as strong as Beerus before, then mentioning that Beerus is much, much stronger than him.

Thanks for sharing, but I wonder why I don't have these shots.

EDIT: Although, that still doesn't say Beerus can kick the crap out of SSJ Vegetto, but rather than Vegetto/Gogeta are required to defeat Beerus.

[Hitiro]

What. The. Fuck.

I literally do not have those shots in my version of the film. It's much more zoomed in on his face (to the point where you no longer see Bubbles in the shot) and has him saying he's never fought anybody as strong as Beerus before, then mentioning that Beerus is much, much stronger than him.

Thanks for sharing, but I wonder why I don't have these shots.

It's from the extended version of the movie. They added a good couple of minutes of content. It even shows the Kaioshin and Rou Kaioshin at one point. There is also the fact that the trailer announces Beerus as the strongest being to ever exist in dragon ball history.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It's an added scene from the Special Extended version.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/movie/battle- ... d-version/

After Goku says that, he says fusion wouldn't be enough to defeat Beers.

[Hitiro]

I'm not sure your God Ki example works really well because Akira Toriyama confirmed to us that being strong for God Ki, at least transforming into SSJGod, will vary from each individual. I assume he meant that it has a similar effect to SSJ transformations having a modifier. So the stronger you were originally the stronger you should be with God Ki.

Is it possible that other Saiyans will be able to become [Super Saiyan] God in the future?

Of course. However, strength will vary depending on the battle power of the Saiyan who becomes [Super Saiyan] God.

[Rozay]

Which makes sense, as the original Super Saiyajin God wasn't able to completely rid his race from their evil counterparts. If he were near Beerus level, he would be able to erradicate most evil saiyajins in a blink of an eye.

It seems like God Ki is a different kind of strength tapped inside a being, but not necessarily one that completely trumps everything before, which is why Vegeta was able to fight with Beerus for a short while. I like that.

Also, this means that even if Freeza did get God Ki, that maybe still wouldn't be enough for him to defeat Goku. And as such it looks even less likely that he matches Goku's strength with only four months of training if there are no further reasons or special methods. And I don't like that at all.

[singsing]

Spoiler:

Definitely not a dub line.

What. The. Fuck.

I literally do not have those shots in my version of the film. It's much more zoomed in on his face (to the point where you no longer see Bubbles in the shot) and has him saying he's never fought anybody as strong as Beerus before, then mentioning that Beerus is much, much stronger than him.

Thanks for sharing, but I wonder why I don't have these shots.

EDIT: Although, that still doesn't say Beerus can kick the crap out of SSJ Vegetto, but rather than Vegetto/Gogeta are required to defeat Beerus.

In the full version, he adds something along the lines of "not even fusion will be enough". Which leads me and other people to believe Beerus is far above even SSJ3 Vegetto.

[Bullza]

Yeah I checked now, in both the dub and sub he mentions the one way to get stronger is by fusing with Vegeta and then he says that no even that wouldn't be enough.

[AvatarReiko]

I was thinking; If AT really wanted to portray Beerus as badass and unbelievable strong, he could have had Goku and Vegeta do fusion, only for Beerus lay the beat down on SSJ3 Gogeta.

[Birusu16]

I think you guys are either mis-remembering Battle of Gods or are remembering something from a dub. At no point does Goku ever make a comment about fusion. Vegeta tells Gotenks that he's no match for Beerus, but that's it. Goku does indeed manage to "stay in the world" of gods, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than SSJ Vegetto. It just means he's much stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Remember that even SSJ Vegeta is shown to be able to hold his own against Beerus for a while. This is done by him abandoning his pride. That motif ends up being the big lesson throughout SSJG Goku's fight against Beerus, with Piccolo even commenting on how it seems more like Beerus is training Goku than fighting him. I really think it's more a matter of God Ki being a new type of Ki that anyone can use, just that only a select few deities (Kaioshins, Beerus, Whis) have mastered. Look at the training trend over the course of the series:

1) No use of Ki (Pre-Kami's training)
2) Use of Regular Ki (Kami's training)
3) Mastering the use of Regular Ki (Kaiokens)
4) Use of Super Saiyan Ki (SSJ)
5) Mastering the use of SSJ Ki (FP-SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3)
6) Use of God Ki (SSJ God)

By taking things seriously and getting ready to train, Freeza would be abandoning his pride as well. This tells me Freeza will be tapping into God Ki as well. Once he does, it doesn't matter how powerful Goku is, because they'll be on par with each other in the world of gods.

If we were to use a tank of energy as an example, the full tank would represent 10,000. Goku starts off 10, use SSJ to fill it to 500, SSJ2 to fill it to 1,000 and SSJ3 to fill it to 4,000. He can now also use God Ki to fill it to 8,000. Freeza would start at 120 and use God Ki to fill it to 8,000 as well. Once both have mastered the use of God Ki, it's just another means to tap into one's inner power. In the same sense that SSJ made Kaiokens completely obsolete, so too does the mastering of God Ki make all the training and SSJ forms we've seen thus far.

Beerus has been stated to be the strongest being in the history of DB. That would include Vegito. As shown in this thread as well, Goku himself stated that not even fusion would be enough to take on Beerus and this was without witnessing anywhere near Beerus' full power. Vegeta did absolutely nothing to Beerus. He was completely unscathed and then simply moaned about how Vegeta wasn't the SSJG either. Not to mention Beerus wasn't using anywhere near his full strength there either.

Goku managed to fight nearly on par with Beerus (though Beerus was only using 70% of his power in that fight). So yea, Goku's stronger than Vegito.

I was thinking; If AT really wanted to portray Beerus as badass and unbelievable strong, he could have had Goku and Vegeta do fusion, only for Beerus lay the beat down on SSJ3 Gogeta.

I hope you're suggesting that be a side fight like the Beerus vs SSJ3 Goku fight was because if you're insinuating that it be the main fight then that would never happen considering Toriyama would never have the main fight in a movie be a one-sided beat down.

[Hellspawn28]

We already know that Freeza knew about every being who can possibly kill him: The Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God, Majin Buu and Beerus.

Beerus and Saiyans I understand, but when did Freeza learn about Buu?

Buu caused several hundred planets to be wipe out in a few years million of years ago. I think Freeza most likely knows about Buu since Buu is most likely known as a legend in most parts of the Galaxy. If he knows about the old Legendary Super Saiyan story then he most likely knows about Buu.

[Dayspring]

We already know that Freeza knew about every being who can possibly kill him: The Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God, Majin Buu and Beerus.

Beerus and Saiyans I understand, but when did Freeza learn about Buu?

Buu caused several hundred planets to be wipe out in a few years million of years ago. I think Freeza most likely knows about Buu since Buu is most likely known as a legend in most parts of the Galaxy. If he knows about the old Legendary Super Saiyan story then he most likely knows about Buu.

This. The manga apparently states that his father told him about a being named Buu.

[DieHard]

so everybody here believes that piccolo went from 1 million to over 150 million in 3 years but they cant believe that freeza could get stronger by training?

[singsing]

so everybody here believes that piccolo went from 1 million to over 150 million in 3 years but they cant believe that freeza could get stronger by training?

Well, it took Piccolo 3 years instead of 4 months, he has a good training partner, and has been established to make huge growths by training. And no one knows how much stronger Piccolo got. Even if it was 150 times in 3 years, that's still not enough for Freeza to even dent Beerus.

[Saiga]

so everybody here believes that piccolo went from 1 million to over 150 million in 3 years but they cant believe that freeza could get stronger by training?

And even if people believe that, doesn't mean they're happy with it. I think Piccolo's training gains were ridiculous.

[Dayspring]

so everybody here believes that piccolo went from 1 million to over 150 million in 3 years but they cant believe that freeza could get stronger by training?

Well, it took Piccolo 3 years instead of 4 months, he has a good training partner, and has been established to make huge growths by training. And no one knows how much stronger Piccolo got. Even if it was 150 times in 3 years, that's still not enough for Freeza to even dent Beerus.

Freeza's not training so as to be able to fight Beerus, but rather to be stronger than Boo so he can kill Goku and Trunks. The manga explains he's a prodigy who never trained once in his life, so he intends to go all out during those four months. If a Namekkian can increase his Battle Power by 150,000,000 in 3 years, then Freeza exceeding that amount in 4 months becomes very plausible (it's only 9x bigger gain/month). Now remember that his final form is roughly 240x stronger than his first form. That puts him well above SSJ3 Goku. Now add the strength of his new transformation that will be introduced in the new film.

[DieHard]

(it's only 9x bigger gain/month

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Why not train 1 month more? [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

[Kamiccolo9]

Has no one considered that maybe he couldn't really train himself in his mecha state? What with him being 70% machine and all?

[rereboy]

Has no one considered that maybe he couldn't really train himself in his mecha state? What with him being 70% machine and all?

If that's the case, it should be stated in the new movie.