Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[worldmonsters]

Not sure I really buy his mechanical parts functioning like Mecha Coola's, but I suppose it's possible. I wasn't talking about him being revived in pieces being the inconsistency though. That's fine. The problem is that he apparently has a body down in hell, and this body, or at least his head, was in one piece while inside the pod. Goku didn't suddenly regain Piccolo's Makankosappo damage through his torso when revived for the Saiyan battle.

Not saying it will be a problem in the film, but for now we don't have an explanation or anything.

I see what you're saying, but your argument is wrong. Let me correct it "Goku didn't suddenly regain the broken ribs he got when Radditz stood on his torso when revived for the Saiyan battle." The Makankosappo damage was the thing that killed him, but with Freeza the thing that killed him (if he has the Mecha Cooler revive function or whatever) was Trunks' blast. The thing is, I still think it could be explained away in that Shenron knows Freeza is pretty darned evil and just didn't make it very easy on him, while he knows Goku's gang is pretty respectable. Maybe Shenron just kinda turned into a dick, I mean... he also sort of screwed Pilaf and the others over :p I don't think that was just a miscommunication :p

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Sure, there can be explanations for all the stuff fans are noting as inconsistencies, but we have to wait and see what, if anything, the film has to say on the subjects. For now, we can only discuss the information that we have access to.

It's true that Goku was dying because the the Makankosappo damage, but he was still alive for a while after it was inflicted. It's easy enough to debate that if Shenlong is reviving characters in the last state we see them in before they actually die, he could have revived Goku with the hole in his chest. But he didn't. (Before someone points out that Kami restored Goku's body to counted this example, it appears someone restored Freeza's body as well. As previously noted, what appears to be his body has his head in tact.) As of Revival of F, Freeza was apparently still alive after Trunks chopped him up. We can't really say if he would have died if he remained in that condition or not though, because Trunks blasted him before we got the chance. In the movie, The movie won't be of any help to see if he'd croak in that state either (would probably take a long time regardless, Freeza is nothing if not durable), because they are going to gather up his pieces and throw him in a healing tank shortly after.

[worldmonsters]

Sure, there can be explanations for all the stuff fans are noting as inconsistencies, but we have to wait and see what, if anything, the film has to say on the subjects. For now, we can only discuss the information that we have access to.

It's true that Goku was dying because the the Makankosappo damage, but he was still alive for a while after it was inflicted. It's easy enough to debate that if Shenlong is reviving characters in the last state we see them in before they actually die, he could have revived Goku with the hole in his chest. But he didn't. (Before someone points out that Kami restored Goku's body to counted this example, it appears someone restored Freeza's body as well. Aas previously noted, what appears to be his body has his head in tact.) As of Revival of F, Freeza was apparently still alive after Trunks chopped him up. We can't really say if he would have died if he remained in that condition or not though, because Trunks blasted him before we got the chance. In the movie, The movie won't be of any help to see if he'd croak in that state either (would probably take a long time regardless, Freeza is nothing if not durable), because they are going to gather up his pieces and throw him in a healing tank shortly after.

Agreed on the fact that we really don't know enough to make a complete theory. But speculating about it with the facts we do have is something that I enjoy Hope you don't mind me indulging on that.

In Goku's case I think the hole in his chest directly resulted in his death, and not his broken ribs. So I don't think Shenron would ever (in a similar situation) revive someone with the hole in the chest that caused their death in the first place. He'd almost immediately bleed out again. But when Goku was revived he really didn't suffer from any broken ribs as far as I could see, so this theory could be completely bogus :p

[Marco Polo]

BTW, that picture of Freeza trying to pull himself back together, as funny as it is, kinda makes the whole "inconsistency" a little worse to me. The idea of the organic (and mechanical) fibers trying to reconnect? Why not do that on Namek when you were only in 3 pieces? xD

It's obviously not working, so how is it inconsistent?

[Dayspring]

I don't know how accurate is this site, but it confirms Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F will premiere in Brazil on April 16th.

Is it even possible for a movie to premiere in another country before it premieres in Japan?

It's rarer in Japan than in the US, but yeah, it happens. In fact, the Fantasia Film Festival here in Montreal often shows world premiers. The CG Harlock film, live-action Yamato, for example.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

http://s.ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry ... 15284.html Bulma's new blog is up.

I google translated it, and she mentioned something about a... Journey to the bottom of the sea? Is that right?

Didn't they do something like that in Dragonball? Hunting for treasures or something, maybe a reference to that.

[Big Momma]

Goku in this design looks 5.10ft isn't he supossed to have 5.9ft?

Uhmm...

I swear, sometimes this fanbase can be the nitpickiest bunch...

Not sure I really buy his mechanical parts functioning like Mecha Coola's

That's how a lot of mech-bodies function in many series. It's not really unbelievable...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's obviously not working, so how is it inconsistent?

Did you not read any of my following posts discussing just that? Him being in pieces or trying to pull himself together isn't the inconsistency. It's the fact that no character prior to Freeza is restored in a damaged state when they have a body that is in one piece while in the afterlife, as Freeza apparently does. We see him in the pod hanging from the tree in Hell, the head of that body isn't in pieces. Yet once restored, he falls apart.

That's how a lot of mech-bodies function in many series. It's not really unbelievable...

Usually those beings are pretty much fully mechanical, like Mecha Coola being connected to the whole Big Gete Star. I have an easier time believing his machines are capable of pulling themselves together when the programs could be fully integrated with each individual part. I imagine Freeza though, as a cyborg, has these parts connected to his nerves and thus they operate off his brain's commands. So without the mechanical bits being connected to him, I have a hard time believing they can function.

Again, I didn't say it was impossible, I'm just not sure I personally buy it.

[Hugo Boss]

I just hope it is true because we do not receive any news about this movie since the trailer. Not even the voice actors were confirmed (the original cast). Brazil has problems with dubbing. While you guys even got the extended version of Battle of Gods in DVD, here we got the DVD with a whole new cast of dubbing. It was a total chaos.

That was a shame. Apparently, brazilian voice actors have problems with some studios. There were rumors last year that even Bezerra wouldn't dub Son Goku in FF.

[Dyno]

I don't know if it was already said, but maybe when Freeza got sliced he was still alive, he only died when Trunks shot that energy on him.

[Kakarot9001]

Ah. Well, throughout the entire movie, I'd probably believe. But I'm sure he can still go Super Saiyan.

He can but it doesn't make him any stronger.

In BOG he went through 3 forms while fighting Beerus but didn't notice cause there was no difference in his power.

WTF? So Toriyama plans to turn Goku "mystic" just like Gohan? What a lame...

I'd bet we still have a chance of seeing ssjg from Gokû in F, what with that magenta lightning behind him; and the idea of "well he's got to train it to figure out more about it/how to use it and he still didn't know exactly what he did at the end of BOG when he jumped back into it". I'd think there's still a chance of ssj1 as well, if only because it was in the early preview images that are also being used on the dragonball2015 website. I'm not convinced either of those two forms are gone from use yet.

Ssj2 and 3 are probably gone though. I'll miss 2's electricity sparks, but I won't miss 3's eyebrow-less eyebrows (though I will miss that crazy ssj3 hair).

I think Toriyama is being lazy to just ignore SSJ2 and SSJ3 like they never happened in the series, SSJ2 is my favorite though

I don't think he says why he's going Super Saiyan instead of Ultimate, but he does mention something about using it in general. According to Google, it's something about still being a Super Saiyan or still getting used to the form, but needing to take action because Freeza has a 1000 soldiers.

Do you really think Ultimate Gohan needs to power up to "fight" thousand soldiers with the average 2000 PL? For real?

[Dyno]

I just hope it is true because we do not receive any news about this movie since the trailer. Not even the voice actors were confirmed (the original cast). Brazil has problems with dubbing. While you guys even got the extended version of Battle of Gods in DVD, here we got the DVD with a whole new cast of dubbing. It was a total chaos.

That was a shame. Apparently, brazilian voice actors have problems with some studios. There were rumors last year that even Bezerra wouldn't dub Son Goku in FF.

This can't be true... It won't be true... Following Bezerra on Facebook, all he said is that he doesn't know about the movie yet, Century Fox didn't contact him.

[VegettoEX]

As usual, you may wish to wait until we translate it before making up your own translations and going off of that. I know it's fun to speculate, but still. Bad information is bad information.

Also... and man, c'mon, everyone... do we really need to bring the incessant battle power arguments here like this? I mean, I really don't have a problem with them (contrary to what folks might think about me), but it seems like it's impossible for you folks to do it without "WTF" and "you're dumb" and "OMG" and so on and so forth.

Can you please just have normal people polite conversations? Is it so hard?

[EmmaWinters]

Here's the original text for someone more adept to look at, or the guys here at Kanzenshuu will get to it when they have time:
そうですね・・まだ超サイヤ人にはなれると思うんですが……
今回はみんなの力を総動員しないと1000人のフリーザ軍には勝てませんからね！

...I can't be reading that correctly. I don't even want to say what I think it means because I'm probably wrong. Edit: Thanks Mike!

http://s.ameblo.jp/dragonball2015/entry ... 15284.html Bulma's new blog is up.

I google translated it, and she mentioned something about a... Journey to the bottom of the sea? Is that right?

Didn't they do something like that in Dragonball? Hunting for treasures or something, maybe a reference to that.

They're just saying that the Earth 地球 is in a "crisis" 危機 (地球の危機). Not sure where the hell Google got "Journey to the bottom of the sea" from.

[Dyno]

"Let’s see… I think I can still become a Super Saiyan…"

Here we go again... Oh, come on Son Gohan, why did you say that line, like that? Brace yourselves for incoming threads about this!


"This time, everyone will have to to turn out in full-force if we want to win against Freeza’s 1000-strong army!"

Strong? Really?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

"Let’s see… I think I can still become a Super Saiyan…"

Yeah, this just serves to further make a mess of the issue. Though it'd be funnier if he hadn't just transformed in the last film. xD

[FortuneSSJ]

I'm diggin this countdown updates. Its a lot of work doing this so early. I praise the staff for that. So far, Gohan and Bulma was the most interesting.
He talks about being able to turn ssj. The part about his tracksuit I already knew (even though I don't like it, Its nice to have a explanation)

Gohan:
Well, when I heard that Freeza was back, I looked for my dōgi in a panic, but I couldn’t find it… all I had was this tracksuit.

Bulma:
Geez~ keep it together, will you?
That relaxed attitude of yours is just like your father’s!

Good one.

His new haircut looks better in the manga. That shot though is badass.

[lord turbo]

I think that's still the machinery pulling itself together, it's just inside and under the skin Anyway, I don't think this is inconsistent. Porunga said he put Krillin back together again just before he was revived, right? Besides, if Freeza COULD pull this shit off, but he wasn't able to because Trunks blasted him kaput, then Freeza was, at the point of being sliced into small parts, still technically alive. What killed him was the blast. So Shenron revived him to that point. This to me seems like the most logical explanation, right?

But Porunga does that automatically without being told to do so though.

I see what you're saying, but your argument is wrong. Let me correct it "Goku didn't suddenly regain the broken ribs he got when Radditz stood on his torso when revived for the Saiyan battle." The Makankosappo damage was the thing that killed him, but with Freeza the thing that killed him (if he has the Mecha Cooler revive function or whatever) was Trunks' blast. The thing is, I still think it could be explained away in that Shenron knows Freeza is pretty darned evil and just didn't make it very easy on him, while he knows Goku's gang is pretty respectable. Maybe Shenron just kinda turned into a dick, I mean... he also sort of screwed Pilaf and the others over :p I don't think that was just a miscommunication :p

Shenron's role is just a wish granting dragon though, he has no ill will (that we know of) towards anyone in general. His job is too perform the wish asked of him. The Pilaf gang probably were too moronic in their wording which is why they got turned into kids, not because Shenron was being a dick. The problem with Shenron is that before he grants the wish he mentions he can't revive Freeza because his body was scattered (Vaporized, but whatever). Why does his body being scattered have to do with anything, we know the dragons can reconstitute bodies when they resurrect people, but here Shenron states he doesn't possess the ability to do that which is an error as he's easily done this before. He didn't revive Vegeta on Namek with a big gaping hole through his chest and heart and he was an evil Son of a B at the time he was revived. Even so, I don't like the fact Freeza was revived in pieces and he can even function somewhat (No matter hoe futile it is) after that fact as well giving what we saw on Namek.

I've seen the movie. And no, Goku was losing power. Very steadily, but he was. After he lost the God form and went back to Base, he still had /some/ fight left but not much. So he got pissed and "powered up" and he didn't even realize he went Super Saiyan. Going Super Saiyan helped maintain that God Form power for a while longer. And then there was him going God at the end, too. They're not all the same power, or else going Super Saiyan and/or Super Saiyan God would be nothing more than a waste of energy, but that clearly wasn't the case. Goku simply just didn't notice. Whether that was due to him being lost in the fight or his anger, whichever. He just didn't notice.

Sintzu is correct, Goku wasn't losing any power, not even steadily. When he powered up to SSJ he did it subconsciously, not intentionally. Through out the entire fight Goku thought he was still fighting at the same SSJG as before, he has to be told he isn't in SSJG and has to visibly check his own being to confirm and question if that's true why is he still at the same level? There was no change in power or performance from base to ssj to ssjg and Goku is no idiot. He notices changes in his power level if his stats is declining or increasing.

Turning SSJ or SSJG added nothing to Goku, its literally a palette swap, well that was the case in BoG, might be different RoF, but for now Base = SSJ = SSJG. Its literally like how everyone back then used to theorized back that turning SSJ would add nothing to Ultimate Gohan other than changing his hair blonde.

As usual, you may wish to wait until we translate it before making up your own translations and going off of that. I know it's fun to speculate, but still. Bad information is bad information.

Also... and man, c'mon, everyone... do we really need to bring the incessant battle power arguments here like this? I mean, I really don't have a problem with them (contrary to what folks might think about me), but it seems like it's impossible for you folks to do it without "WTF" and "you're dumb" and "OMG" and so on and so forth.

Can you please just have normal people polite conversations? Is it so hard?

Incessant battle power debates are inevitable with each new product of Dragon ball, but I do agree it can be done without the unnecessary comments you mentioned though.

"Let’s see… I think I can still become a Super Saiyan…"

Here we go again... Oh, come on Son Gohan, why did you say that line, like that? Brace yourselves for incoming threads about this!

"This time, everyone will have to to turn out in full-force if we want to win against Freeza’s 1000-strong army!"

Strong? Really?

Ah man... Gohan literally just opened a big can of wild worms it seems. No only with the SSJ comment, but with Freeza's army comment too.

[EmmaWinters]

"Let’s see… I think I can still become a Super Saiyan…"

You're right, thanks. I was reading it too literally; I thought he was genuinely questioning himself.

Edit: Oh, you were quoting VegettoEX's link. Are you guys going to translate every entry?

[GokuRules987]

Soo are we going too get the 3 chapter manga tomorrow? and where could i read it?