What if Kid Buu had won the final battle (consequences?)

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure the Potaras the Saiyans crushed right before Kid Buu arrives were the last ones ever. And I like the idea that Buu would just leave when seeing Gohan, or just make their current location explode. This scenario was probably unintentional by Akira Toriyama, but it really leaves Goku and Vegeta (the only 2 beings Kid Buu had any interest in fighting) as the only ones who might have a chance of defeating him.

(Gohan arrives to Kaioshin Planet)
Gohan: Alright...let's do thi...
(Buu teleports away the second he sees Gohan...)


Hilarious. But all in all a cool twist on the usual saga endings that we've seen before in DB/Z.

Again, as mentioned numerous times, there was one pair remaining.
There were originally 3 pairs shown in the manga: Kibito's, Kaioshin's, and the old Kaioshin's.

Kaioshin and Kibito each used one earring of their respective pairs to fuse.
The old Kaioshin gave his pair to Goku, who gave one to Vegeta.
Vegeta threw away his earring inside Buu, and a pair was crushed before fighting Pure Buu.

The unused pair from Kibito and Kaioshin still remains.

[Fishman]

Potarra Earrings are likely not so precious and rare, considering Gohan also had a pair before Kibito overwrote his outfit with a new one-- in addition to the pair Kibitokai did not use to fuse. Not to mention I don't know where the idea that Kibitokai can't just remove his own currently-in-use earrings after he had been successfully permanently fused came about either.

All this talk about Goku & Vegeta destroying the last pair ever is just downright silly.

[foxfang4]

I'm pretty sure the Potaras the Saiyans crushed right before Kid Buu arrives were the last ones ever. And I like the idea that Buu would just leave when seeing Gohan, or just make their current location explode. This scenario was probably unintentional by Akira Toriyama, but it really leaves Goku and Vegeta (the only 2 beings Kid Buu had any interest in fighting) as the only ones who might have a chance of defeating him.

(Gohan arrives to Kaioshin Planet)
Gohan: Alright...let's do thi...
(Buu teleports away the second he sees Gohan...)


Hilarious. But all in all a cool twist on the usual saga endings that we've seen before in DB/Z.

Again, as mentioned numerous times, there was one pair remaining.
There were originally 3 pairs shown in the manga: Kibito's, Kaioshin's, and the old Kaioshin's.

Kaioshin and Kibito each used one earring of their respective pairs to fuse.
The old Kaioshin gave his pair to Goku, who gave one to Vegeta.
Vegeta threw away his earring inside Buu, and a pair was crushed before fighting Pure Buu.

The unused pair from Kibito and Kaioshin still remains.

Not sure about the manga, but in the anime:

1. Kibito's disappeared when he fused with Kaioshin.
2. Old Kai's were destroyed inside Buu's belly.
3. Kaioshin's final pair were destroyed by Goku/Vegeta seconds before Kid Buu shows up to fight them.

0 left. (In the anime at least). If it was in the manga, then TOEI fixed a massive plot hole by having Goku/Vegeta destroy the last one. Pretty clever of them (if it wasn't in the manga in the first place).

[Hitiro]

Potarra Earrings are likely not so precious and rare, considering Gohan also had a pair before Kibito overwrote his outfit with a new one-- in addition to the pair Kibitokai did not use to fuse. Not to mention I don't know where the idea that Kibitokai can't just remove his own currently-in-use earrings after he had been successfully permanently fused came about either.

All this talk about Goku & Vegeta destroying the last pair ever is just downright silly.

I'm not so sure about this. I find it weird that such an overpowered item would just be readily available. I mean you can argue that SSJGod is the same but when you actually think about it SSJ was originally a rare transformation and it also required pure hearted Saiyan's to make the form. I have a hard time believing Kibito's earrings also had the effect but we see it from the manga. Unless what we see is them taking them off and not the exchange of the Potara's? Anyway, it is one thing for Kibito to have a set. It's another entirely different situation if he can just make such a godly item appear out of thin air.

^As for the above comment. Kibito had to have taken off his set at least before fusing. Something had to have happened to them. But in the manga it seems like all Kibito did was take off one earring and the Kaioshin took off the other and then they fused. Meaning another set does exist. Even if they are a mismatch.

[Kamiccolo9]

Not sure about the manga, but in the anime:

1. Kibito's disappeared when he fused with Kaioshin.

Says what?

[foxfang4]

Not sure about the manga, but in the anime:

1. Kibito's disappeared when he fused with Kaioshin.

Says what?

Guys, it's not complicated.

- Kaioshin= 2 earrings.
- Kibito= 2 earrings
(2 pairs in total. Kibito takes 1 off. Kaioshin takes on off. They fuse)

- The new fused suddenly appears and has= 2 earrings. (1 pair in total). That 1 pair was then destroyed by Goku/Vegeta in Ep 278 on the Kaioshin planet.
That's ...pretty much it.

[Kamiccolo9]

Not sure about the manga, but in the anime:

1. Kibito's disappeared when he fused with Kaioshin.

Says what?

Guys, it's not complicated.

- Kaioshin= 2 earrings.
- Kibito= 2 earrings
(2 pairs in total. Kibito takes 1 off. Kaioshin takes on off. They fuse)

- The new fused suddenly appears and has= 2 earrings. (1 pair in total)

That's ...pretty much it.

Which....means that there's another unused pair? 2+2=4, not 2.

[Hitiro]

Guys, it's not complicated.

- Kaioshin= 2 earrings.
- Kibito= 2 earrings
(2 pairs in total. Kibito takes 1 off. Kaioshin takes on off. They fuse)

- The new fused suddenly appears and has= 2 earrings. (1 pair in total). That 1 pair was then destroyed by Goku/Vegeta in Ep 278 on the Kaioshin planet.
That's ...pretty much it.

Look at it this way. Kibito and the Kaioshin take off 1 each. That means there are 2 that they aren't wearing. They fuse and they are wearing the pair they used to fuse. That means that there are the 2 they took off and the 2 they are currently wearing fused. Otherwise what happened to the pair they took off when they fused? Did they just vanish or get destroyed magically?

[Fishman]

Potarra Earrings are likely not so precious and rare, considering Gohan also had a pair before Kibito overwrote his outfit with a new one-- in addition to the pair Kibitokai did not use to fuse. Not to mention I don't know where the idea that Kibitokai can't just remove his own currently-in-use earrings after he had been successfully permanently fused came about either.

All this talk about Goku & Vegeta destroying the last pair ever is just downright silly.

I'm not so sure about this. I find it weird that such an overpowered item would just be readily available. I mean you can argue that SSJGod is the same but when you actually think about it SSJ was originally a rare transformation and it also required pure hearted Saiyan's to make the form. I have a hard time believing Kibito's earrings also had the effect but we see it from the manga. Unless what we see is them taking them off and not the exchange of the Potara's? Anyway, it is one thing for Kibito to have a set. It's another entirely different situation if he can just make such a godly item appear out of thin air.

^As for the above comment. Kibito had to have taken off his set at least before fusing. Something had to have happened to them. But in the manga it seems like all Kibito did was take off one earring and the Kaioshin took off the other and then they fused. Meaning another set does exist. Even if they are a mismatch.

Gohan is literally wearing potarra earrings while training on the Supreme Kai Planet. The only person who even knew the earrings were special at all was Old Kai. Whether this means Gohan's pair are replica real will always be an assumption, but to say that Potarra Earrings are impossibly hard to come by is equally up in the air-- with no real indication given anywhere as to their scarcity.

Even then, there's no distinction between a "used pair" and an "unused pair", seeing as how Vegeta and Goku fused using Earrings that had already yielded one fused being. Worst case scenario, any number of characters can fuse by just taking the earrings off and passing them on to the next pair of characters.

[Hitiro]

Gohan is literally wearing potarra earrings while training on the Supreme Kai Planet. The only person who even knew the earrings were special at all was Old Kai. Whether this means Gohan's pair are replica real will always be an assumption, but to say that Potarra Earrings are impossibly hard to come by is equally up in the air-- with no real indication given anywhere as to their scarcity.

Even then, there's no distinction between a "used pair" and an "unused pair", seeing as how Vegeta and Goku fused using Earrings that had already yielded one fused being. Worst case scenario, any number of characters can fuse by just taking the earrings off and passing them on to the next pair of characters.

Given that the Rou Kaioshin tells us that they are the Kaioshin's special ability I would find it hard to believe that anybody could have had a pair if all they needed was a clothes beam like Kibito and Piccolo have.

[Fishman]

Gohan is literally wearing potarra earrings while training on the Supreme Kai Planet. The only person who even knew the earrings were special at all was Old Kai. Whether this means Gohan's pair are replica real will always be an assumption, but to say that Potarra Earrings are impossibly hard to come by is equally up in the air-- with no real indication given anywhere as to their scarcity.

Even then, there's no distinction between a "used pair" and an "unused pair", seeing as how Vegeta and Goku fused using Earrings that had already yielded one fused being. Worst case scenario, any number of characters can fuse by just taking the earrings off and passing them on to the next pair of characters.

Given that the Rou Kaioshin tells us that they are the Kaioshin's special ability I would find it hard to believe that anybody could have had a pair if all they needed was a clothes beam like Kibito and Piccolo have.

It's all magic anyhow, but I'd like to think that magical matter zapped into existence by a Kai probably holds more weight as far as creating genuine articles than that of a slug alien.

[Hitiro]

It's all magic anyhow, but I'd like to think that magical matter zapped into existence by a Kai probably holds more weight as far as creating genuine articles than that of a slug alien.

Well, it was Kibito that used the beam. I'm pretty sure all he is, is a retainer like Popo or Karin. I also don't understand how he could use a magical beam and not know the contents of what he is making. If you make a cake appear in real life you have an ideal vision of what you want from that cake, icing, jam, cream. Yet if you pop a cake into reality it isn't going to be filled with random stuff you had no clue you were making.

[foxfang4]

Guys, it's not complicated.

- Kaioshin= 2 earrings.
- Kibito= 2 earrings
(2 pairs in total. Kibito takes 1 off. Kaioshin takes on off. They fuse)

- The new fused suddenly appears and has= 2 earrings. (1 pair in total). That 1 pair was then destroyed by Goku/Vegeta in Ep 278 on the Kaioshin planet.
That's ...pretty much it.

Look at it this way. Kibito and the Kaioshin take off 1 each. That means there are 2 that they aren't wearing. They fuse and they are wearing the pair they used to fuse. That means that there are the 2 they took off and the 2 they are currently wearing fused. Otherwise what happened to the pair they took off when they fused? Did they just vanish or get destroyed magically?

Yeah that's exactly it. It's weird I know. But, when they fuse, they momentarily become a white ball of powerful energy. When the energy disappears, all you see is the new fused character standing there. And that character is only wearing 2 earrings. It's as if everything in that 'white energy ball' was destroyed to make way for the new fused character (with his brand new clothes created on the spot to boot). There is no trace of the other 2 earrings (which they kept in their hands when they took them off).

It's that Toriyama-like gag humour. Things just happen. Even if they don't make sense in terms of physics.

[Hitiro]

Yeah that's exactly it. It's weird I know. But, when they fuse, they momentarily become a white ball of powerful energy. When the energy disappears, all you see is the new fused character standing there. And that character is only wearing 2 earrings. It's as if everything in that 'white energy ball' was destroyed to make way for the new fused character (with his brand new clothes created on the spot to boot). There is no trace of the other 2 earrings (which they kept in their hands when they took them off).

It's that Toriyama-like gag humour. Things just happen. Even if they don't make sense in terms of physics.

Well, you're just assuming things here. If you look at the anime they aren't even holding the Potara before they fuse. So your theory about them being destroyed really can't work unless they were holding them.

[foxfang4]

Yeah that's exactly it. It's weird I know. But, when they fuse, they momentarily become a white ball of powerful energy. When the energy disappears, all you see is the new fused character standing there. And that character is only wearing 2 earrings. It's as if everything in that 'white energy ball' was destroyed to make way for the new fused character (with his brand new clothes created on the spot to boot). There is no trace of the other 2 earrings (which they kept in their hands when they took them off).

It's that Toriyama-like gag humour. Things just happen. Even if they don't make sense in terms of physics.

Well, you're just assuming things here. If you look at the anime they aren't even holding the Potara before they fuse. So your theory about them being destroyed really can't work unless they were holding them.

lol I know. They just kind of randomly disappear from 1 shot to the next. Here, I'll do this quick in shot order. Here: http://share.pho.to/8tuJo . That's actually shot by shot.

Now, before I continue, I'm sure this level of detail is not something Toriyama would have gone for.

So, yeah. You can see they don't have them in their hands the second they're getting pulled towards each other. And, also, before that they're both seen holding the Potaras the millisecond before they start to get pulled. I don't know man. If we're gonna get this detailed on this, then we should probe for the sound of 2 earrings falling on the ground before they start to get pulled lol. But that's too much on something the animators themselves just missed. I just figured they probably put them inside their orange belt thing to be held (or in their pockets, sure).

[Hitiro]

Yeah that's exactly it. It's weird I know. But, when they fuse, they momentarily become a white ball of powerful energy. When the energy disappears, all you see is the new fused character standing there. And that character is only wearing 2 earrings. It's as if everything in that 'white energy ball' was destroyed to make way for the new fused character (with his brand new clothes created on the spot to boot). There is no trace of the other 2 earrings (which they kept in their hands when they took them off).

It's that Toriyama-like gag humour. Things just happen. Even if they don't make sense in terms of physics.

Well, you're just assuming things here. If you look at the anime they aren't even holding the Potara before they fuse. So your theory about them being destroyed really can't work unless they were holding them.

lol I know. They just kind of randomly disappear from 1 shot to the next. Here, I'll do this quick in shot order. Here: http://share.pho.to/8tuJo . That's actually shot by shot.

Now, before I continue, I'm sure this level of detail is not something Toriyama would have gone for.

So, yeah. You can see they don't have them in their hands the second they're getting pulled towards each other. And, also, before that they're both seen holding the Potaras the millisecond before they start to get pulled. I don't know man. If we're gonna get this detailed on this, then we should probe for the sound of 2 earrings falling on the ground before they start to get pulled lol. But that's too much on something the animators themselves just missed. I just figured they probably put them inside their orange belt thing to be held (or in their pockets, sure).

You say the millisecond before they start to get pulled. But how can you possibly know that? The pulling may not be instantaneous they may have even give the other set to the Rou Kaioshin for all we know. I mean if you check the Vegetto fusion it wasn't straight away that they were being drawn to each other. They have several seconds worth of dialogue. So going by that event then the scene cutting to their feet is several seconds after they place the Potara Earrings on. Not milliseconds after. There is a space of 7-8 seconds before Goku and Vegeta start to be drawn together. It can simply be that the anime skipped over that for the fusion of Kibito and Kaioshin.

In fact, the way it transitions from their faces to their feet in my honest opinion feels like they're jumping forward a little bit in time to get to the actual fusion. It's not like every pain-staking detail is included in the story anyway. The manga and anime both skip over sections of the story. Like all of a sudden Gotenks goes to fight Fat Boo but then it cuts to him being back at the lookout all beaten up.

[Tectorman]

As for Goku and Vegeta destroying the second-to-last set of earrings and no one telling them about the third set, well, of course they're not going to say say anything. They just saw the two idiots destroy two sets already.

(Goku crushes the earring in his hand.)
(Vegeta looks approving.) "Well said, Kakarrot. Spoken like a true Saiyan." (Crushes the earring in his hand.)
Goku: Say, wasn't there a third set? We need to go ahead and crush them as well."
(Kibitokai looks at the two earrings in his pocket.) "No. No, no, no. You got them all. No more to destroy, even if you decide later that you might need them against an even more powerful opponent. Right, Great Ancestor?"
Elder Kai: "What are you talking about? You've got another..." (Takes elbow to ribs) "I mean, no. It was just the two pairs."

[foxfang4]

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[foxfang4]

To Hitiro (I can't make the quoting work for some reason)

Honestly man, with "should of"/"could of" types of arguments that's where I pretty much draw the line. At this point, anyone could 'fan-wank' anything to help fit their theories. I saw the episode 2 days ago: the narrator (in Japanese) clearly says there's no more Potaras. And as for Vegetto's transformation taking a few extra nano-seconds...that's just for dramatic effect (if not, I'll "retcon" it myself lol). The Potaras work instantly.

I feel 100% satisfied with my answer to this. And thanks for you, and everyone for providing uploads and opinions. I think I'm good with this.

Peace ya'll.

[Hitiro]

To Hitiro (I can't make the quoting work for some reason)

Honestly man, with "should of"/"could of" types of arguments that's where I pretty much draw the line. At this point, anyone could 'fan-wank' anything to help fit their theories. I saw the episode 2 days ago: the narrator (in Japanese) clearly says there's no more Potaras. And as for Vegetto's transformation taking a few extra nano-seconds...that's just for dramatic effect (if not, I'll "retcon" it myself lol). The Potaras work instantly.

I feel 100% satisfied with my answer to this. And thanks for you, and everyone for providing uploads and opinions. I think I'm good with this.

Peace ya'll.

I highly doubt the narrator said there are no more Potara's. Because narrators don't talk like that. They'd say something like "The Saiyan's take on Boo without Potara's?! How will this go down?!". And not once do the characters ever imply that they broke the last of the Potara's. I mean you're honestly just changing things to suit your theory that their are only 2 sets and the third are destroyed. It's fine to have an opinion. But you can't just say that the valid opinion of "there are 3 sets" isn't acceptable when it follows all of the conventions shown. Kaioshin and Kibito aren't shown holding them. The fusion also took seconds. You're assuming way too much to justify your own view point without looking at what we can actually see. I really don't recall the characters ever been able to have a conversation in nano seconds either. It's better to look at this with Ockham's razor. The theory with the least amount of assumptions is probably the correct one.