Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:19 pm

Blog 53 days left

"All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!
If you watch until the end, then maybe once more…"

Oh my Goku, all this teasing is killing me!!
I still didn't see this one and they already make me think about the next one.

-About Freeza trainning-
I still think 4 months is short to became so OP, no matter how he will do it. But at least, Toriyama is still being different (in a good way).
After all the shounens i saw, there's isn't any villain that trainned to beat the good guy, as far I remember. So Tori still keeps rollin'
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by andr1y7 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:19 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Probably because he wants to simplify things. If he did the next powerups as being Super Saiyan 4, 5, 6 and so on it would be getting a bit ridiculous.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by coola » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:23 pm

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Kakarot9001 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:24 pm

andr1y7 wrote:
Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Probably because he wants to simplify things. If he did the next powerups as being Super Saiyan 4, 5, 6 and so on it would be getting a bit ridiculous.
Well nobody is asking for levels beyond SSJ4. My point of view that he can't just try to make us forget about SSJ2/SSJ3 they were important to the series in general.

That SSJG can't screw the things like that

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:28 pm

andr1y7 wrote:
Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Probably because he wants to simplify things. If he did the next powerups as being Super Saiyan 4, 5, 6 and so on it would be getting a bit ridiculous.
Well SSJ4 is already a thing, and that has lead to fans thinking that SSJ5, SSJ6, SSJ7 ect could exist. And that's a mindset I really don't like.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by shinmaru » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:30 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Blog 53 days left

"All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!
If you watch until the end, then maybe once more…"
Freeza survives this Movie. You'll see that probably after the credits.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Kakarot9001 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:32 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
andr1y7 wrote:
Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Probably because he wants to simplify things. If he did the next powerups as being Super Saiyan 4, 5, 6 and so on it would be getting a bit ridiculous.
Well SSJ4 is already a thing, and that has lead to fans thinking that SSJ5, SSJ6, SSJ7 ect could exist. And that's a mindset I really don't like.
For me SSJ4 could be the ultimate transformation, cause only Goku achieve it naturally unlike Vegeta

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Luso Saiyan » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:32 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:My point of view that he can't just try to make us forget about SSJ2/SSJ3 they were important to the series in general.
I don't see him trying to make anyone forget about anything. He's just saying that the regular Super Saiyan form is the most balanced and efficient, hence why he probably won't use them anymore.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:36 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Apparently he is getting rid all of the transformations... Super Saiyan 1/2/3/God are useless now for those who have absorbed the power of SSGod.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Blog 53 days left

"All you Freeza fans, please watch until the very end!
If you watch until the end, then maybe once more…"

Oh my Goku, all this teasing is killing me!!
I still didn't see this one and they already make me think about the next one.

-About Freeza trainning-
I still think 4 months is short to became so OP, no matter how he will do it. But at least, Toriyama is still being different (in a good way).
After all the shounens i saw, there's isn't any villain that trainned to beat the good guy, as far I remember. So Tori still keeps rollin'
Since he is going to survive apparently, I pray to god that he won't become a good guy... But I doubt he will turn into a good guy, Freeza is an iconic villain of the series for over 20 years. It would be a really dumb idea IMO.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Rozay » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:41 pm

Goku didn't achieve SSJ4 naturally either. He had to become a child again because of the Dragon Balls so his tail could grow back. Just because he used magic instead of machines doesn't mean it's natural. He still went against his natural course of life to achieve SSJ4.

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Post by shinmaru » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:41 pm

Kakarot9001 wrote:
andr1y7 wrote:
Kakarot9001 wrote:Can somebody explain to me this note?

"Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more."

Is Toriyama trying to get rid of Super Saiyan 2/3 transformations? Just... why? I mean the whole point he made seems unfair. He want us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3 only because he wants? All that God-Goku absorbing powers for me is just a excuse, come on
Probably because he wants to simplify things. If he did the next powerups as being Super Saiyan 4, 5, 6 and so on it would be getting a bit ridiculous.
Well nobody is asking for levels beyond SSJ4. My point of view that he can't just try to make us forget about SSJ2/SSJ3 they were important to the series in general.

That SSJG can't screw the things like that
You'll see those transformations in a desperate state.
He will use it, but he won't rely on it to get stronger, I guess.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:43 pm

Rozay wrote:Goku didn't achieve SSJ4 naturally either. He had to become a child again because of the Dragon Balls so his tail could grow back. Just because he used magic instead of machines doesn't mean it's natural. He still went against his natural course of life to achieve SSJ4.
He didn't get his tail back because he was a child, he got his tail back because it was quite literally pulled out of his ass.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:46 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Anyone else feel like Toriyama forgot that Freeza's "4th" form is supposed to be his true form? The one he was born in, with the previous three being transformations he created to restrict his power?

In addition to the whole currently unexplained not-a-cloud-spirit-has-body-in-hell-revived-in-chunks potential inconsistency thing that I really don't want to get into again right now, Freeza's body being restored/recreated/whatever into his "1st" form while in the new healing tank is a bit of an "EH?" moment for me as well.
Maybe Freeza's ki after he was revived dropped so quickly due to his faint life-force that in order to survive his body subconsciously reverted to his weakest form during the recovering process.
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Post by Marco Polo » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:50 pm

SSJ3 still exists as Gotenks' final form.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:56 pm

By the way, it seems that there is an inconsistency in this movie.

Hell (or at least the section that Freeza is imprisoned) is portrayed as a super cute place, which makes it a hellish place for pure evil beings like Freeza. However, according to Enma, Hell is similar to the Demon Realm, which is why he sent Dabra to Heaven, since he would hate that place, while he would like Hell. So, the only explanations I can think of are:

A) The Demon Realm has cute angels & living teddy bears playing cute music.

B) This is a new section in Hell that didn't exist when Dabra died.

Thoughts?
Marco Polo wrote:SSJ3 still exists as Gotenks' final form.
But he is far inferior to Goku & (apparently) Vegeta now. Same with U. Gohan, if he is even a thing in this movie.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Marco Polo » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:58 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:SSJ3 still exists as Gotenks' final form.
But he is far inferior to Goku & (apparently) Vegeta now. Same with U. Gohan, if he is even a thing in this movie.
I was just pointing it out because Kakarot9001 suggested that Toriyama wants "us fans to forget about SSJ2 and SSJ3".

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Post by Rozay » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:00 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Rozay wrote:Goku didn't achieve SSJ4 naturally either. He had to become a child again because of the Dragon Balls so his tail could grow back. Just because he used magic instead of machines doesn't mean it's natural. He still went against his natural course of life to achieve SSJ4.
He didn't get his tail back because he was a child, he got his tail back because it was quite literally pulled out of his ass.
His tail was growing back naturally because he was a child, they pulled it out because they needed the new powers immediately for him to defeat Baby. And that was only possible because he was a child again, once a Saiyajin becomes adult his tail stops growing back.

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Post by Chuquita » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:03 pm

Watched the Nozawa and Nakao video from earlier, first time I've heard his regular speaking voice.
I liked that they talked about that Freeza and Cell promo from BOG. X3

Also saw the video film this morning showing behind the scenes at the animation studio. That was cool. Seeing those bits of new animation, even half finished was fun.
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Post by Friezacooler » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:09 pm

Marco Polo wrote:SSJ3 still exists as Gotenks' final form.
Doubt Gotenks will go past SSj 1 either.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:23 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:By the way, it seems that there is an inconsistency in this movie.

Hell (or at least the section that Freeza is imprisoned) is portrayed as a super cute place, which makes it a hellish place for pure evil beings like Freeza. However, according to Enma, Hell is similar to the Demon Realm, which is why he sent Dabra to Heaven, since he would hate that place, while he would like Hell. So, the only explanations I can think of are:

A) The Demon Realm has cute angels & living teddy bears playing cute music.
B) This is a new section in Hell that didn't exist when Dabra died.
Thoughts?
A) Doubt it
B) Freeza died first than Dabura. So this new section should already exist...unless this is the where they go after hell to reborn.

I still think Freeza is having special treatment.
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