What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

bleed0range · Post by **bleed0range** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:22 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:By Toriyama saying that BoG follows the manga, and him, you know, being the one who created it, it is canon to that universe (i.e. not the anime, GT, or the movies). There should be no arguments there.

FoF takes place immediately after that, and is once again created by Toriyama. So that is canon too.

Tarble is mentioned in BoG, so, at the very least, the character now exists within the universe of the original manga.

Dragon Ball Minus is a toss-up.

I'd say the "original body of work" could be widely accepted as canon whether anyone specifically says it is or not. Because it's where everything originates from, so it kind of has to be. Everything after that is a toss up unless specifically stated. BOG and ROF seem to be acceptable since Toriyama noted they follow the original body of work, the manga.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:31 am

Saiga wrote:"What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?"

The parts of the fanbase defending it.

But in all seriousness, it's hard to say. I guess I'd say Battle of Gods, because that is responsible for ushering in a new era of darkness. Can't really forgive that even if I like Beerus or some of the movie's gags.

Honestly, just so many things to choose form. I might just have to go with "All of it" like Rocketman has, but I'd probably find Episode of Bardock the least poor because it's such an insignificant thing that only really had an impact on Heroes and made Super Saiyan Bardock playable in some games, which I don't see as a problem. Don't get me wrong - absolutely horrible premise and execution, but it's not something like Battle of Gods which was both awful and continues to be shoehorned into every new product with retcons flying across the place to try and make it seem more closely tied to the original manga.

I also don't think the new "series" started by Battle of Gods is ever going to go away, like GT did. I feel like these changes are something the franchise won't move away from, and I can see why that idea is appealing... but the actual content is just so bad. These changes, these new ideas and additions, are making things worse off over all. So I don't want the series to keep the Battle of Gods stuff in focus for as long as new material is being produced. I'd prefer it to eventually become a take it or leave it deal like GT, and for the franchise to be able to tell future stories that don't have to involve the new concepts at all.

But I can't shake the feeling that that just isn't going to happen. Even Dragon Ball Fucking Minus needed to throw a Super Saiyan God reference into a story that had no need to tie into this stuff.

Though I do like Battle of Gods to a degree, all this man...all this.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:20 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
MarcFBR wrote:
Dyno wrote:This... This is just like asking your mom to put food into your mouth... Sorry for my rudeness, but...
Didn't someone recently get banned, or threatened with banning, for screaming about demanding where it said something was canon officially?
Was that meant to be directed at me? Because if so, I'm not demanding anything. If something is so clearly obvious, then it should be easy to find something backing it up.

If not, my apologies. I must have misread.

If it was you, then yes I'm referring to you. If it wasn't, I'm not. I just vaguely remember this coming up somewhere in the forum within the last week or two with someone nearly throwing a hissy fit over canon. No idea who it was, if the person was banned or not, or even if I'm just imagining it based on some long forgotten conversation (pretty sure it did happen though in the last few weeks.)

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:34 am

That's not how canonicity works.

That is how it works, it separates the official work from things like fan fiction and adaptations. What the hell would that mean to say there is no canon? The story isn't official to itself?

The lamest thing to come out of Modern DBZ? Widescreen DBZ.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:55 pm

Vegeta's rage boost & SS Bardock are probably the lamest things to come out of modern DB.

Kakarot9001 · Post by **Kakarot9001** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:52 pm

ABED wrote:
That's not how canonicity works.
That is how it works, it separates the official work from things like fan fiction and adaptations. What the hell would that mean to say there is no canon? The story isn't official to itself?

The lamest thing to come out of Modern DBZ? Widescreen DBZ.

Are you kidding me? How can be Widescreen a lame thing? lol

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:14 pm

The Revival of F.

Dyno · Post by **Dyno** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:28 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:The Revival of F.

Lol. Why?

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:51 pm

Are you kidding me? How can be Widescreen a lame thing? lol

Dear lord, I hope you are kidding.

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:22 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:The Revival of F.

It can't be the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ if it hasn't even come out yet. At least try and give it a chance upon release before throwing it to the lions.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:41 pm

Dyno wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:The Revival of F.
Lol. Why?

Fan fiction premise + every detail we get about it is a plot hole, utter shit, or both.

Dyno · Post by **Dyno** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:44 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Fan fiction premise + every detail we get about it is a plot hole, utter shit, or both.

Fan-fiction indeed is. The author himself said was "inspired" to make a Freeza movie just because a random song about the character. Should I make a song about Bardock too?

Who knows only then he gives the character the worth he deserves.

I don't consider the Toyotaro manga, I will wait to see the movie itself, but I will not be surprised by the possibly amount of plotholes it could create.

TheKingOfKamehamehas · Post by **TheKingOfKamehamehas** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:49 pm

I loved Battle of Gods so that is a no no! I don't really get why people don't like it because the gags were funny and it brought me to the times where Toriyama main manga consisted of comedy like in Dr.Slump and Neko Majin Z and then the fight with Beerus was awesome like how usual Dragon Ball movies were.
Now if you are asking me if SSG was a stupid concept then I will agree with that completely. Kaioken looks so much cooler than it too! Compared to SSJ4 vs SSG God, we all know fur and a tail is a lot better than red hair and skinny.

Screw The Design!

I also didn't like DB- that much either, but in all honesty. It isn't too bad, but that just might be me because I am too interested in the Bardock story. I would rather have Bardock-The Father of Goku as the real canon material. At least it gave us Gine.
I wished Toriyama developed on this story a little more. It felt way too short and kind of pointless. Might as well have never been there and I hate it.

Episode of Bardock was pointless and is no means canon so I don't want to talk about it...(Bardock is a badass! He beat Chilled and got revenge plus he made the Frieza race end! He might have a powerl level of 1,000 but Screw that!) I think Naho Ooishi might have been a little high.

ROF... I have to wait.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:56 pm

Dyno wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Fan fiction premise + every detail we get about it is a plot hole, utter shit, or both.
Fan-fiction indeed is. The author himself said was "inspired" to make a Freeza movie just because a random song about the character. Should I make a song about Bardock too? Who knows only then he gives the character the worth he deserves.

I don't consider the Toyotaro manga, I will wait to see the movie itself, but I will not be surprised by the possibly amount of plotholes it could create.

When that news came out, I had honestly thought "...fuck, I wish Maximum the Hormone had written a song about Gohan".

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:15 am

You can slightly change the lyrics of that song and replace Frieza's name with Broly. Then it'd be Broly movie #4! : D

Dyno · Post by **Dyno** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:21 am

I would leave this franchise for good.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:28 am

E-even if he... turned into the legendary super saiyan demi-god!?

Dyno · Post by **Dyno** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:30 am

The only Legendary Super Saiyan is Bardock, with Super Saiyan God being whoever turned in the past and Kakarot.

That thing you call "Broly"... Must get rid from the franchise once and for all.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:11 am

Kakarot9001 wrote:Are you kidding me? How can be Widescreen a lame thing? lol

I'd say losing 20% of the picture and having the image scrubbed of detail is more than a little lame.

So, yeah, like ABED said, I do hope you're joking.

Kakarot9001 · Post by **Kakarot9001** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:48 am

Dyno wrote:The only Legendary Super Saiyan is Bardock, with Super Saiyan God being whoever turned in the past and Kakarot.

That thing you call "Broly"... Must get rid from the franchise once and for all.

Bardock with only 10,000 PL becoming a Super Saiyan, how uninteresting

That Episode of Bardock were one of the most infame things already made in the name of Dragon Ball

I thank god that this "spin-off" is not canon

Broly > Bardock

Kanzenshuu

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