Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[fadeddreams5]

Of course, if I complained about every convenience in Dragonball, ho boy.!

You must love every bit of convenience in this series. Gives you more writing material. lol.

[Beerus-sama]

One week to go until Freeza's new form is officially revealed.

Can't hold my curiousity

I didn't see the people posts. And I already said Goku didn't win a battle since Freeza. Meaning he defeated Freeza. And I honestly forgot about Takin. The Earth defeated Boo. Vegeta implied that. Hell Satan had more of a roll defeating Boo than Goku.

It was Goku strength that made the Genkidama hit Buu (even if it was Vegeta's wish)

also about the post:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 40#p877841

Once again I'm not counting the pre Toriyama movies. Since most don't count them unless it's convenient to them(Such as Goku winning). Goku didn't have stamina due to SSJ3. It was the Earth energy that killed Boo(Vegeta said it) and Satan's motivation.

looks like you didn't read my post...

It was Goku strength that made the Genkidama hit Buu (even if it was Vegeta's wish)

what I meant here is that Vegeta wished for Goku's strength to be restored, but even with that it was Goku the one who pushed the Genkidama to hit Buu

[FortuneSSJ]

One week to go until Freeza's new form is officially revealed.

Bring the popcorns and enjoy the explosions, because there's no way everyone will like it.

[KaiserNeko]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

[Kamiccolo9]

And I haven't seen much negative rants in this thread. Unless I just don't pay attention to them.

Obviously not.

[Chuquita]

The spoilers for Freeza's new form are definitely coming this week. Next week's Weekly Jump spoilers appear as early as the Monday before their release date. Someone could be looking at a copy right now.

Wednesday is more likely the day though. Almost all spoilers for the next week are out by Wednesday, and ANN apparently has no qualms about posting such things early, so...

[kei17]

Re: early movie viewers

I think Julian and Kei will find out the second week of March if they made it.

I think I'll pass on that this time. The advance screening in Tokyo will take place on Monday. I'm now a full-time worker and probably won't be able to go. Also, honestly, I'm not as excited as I was when BoG was coming.

[dbzfan7]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

He's also shown as paranoid, and to stay on the side of caution. His words. Yet that caution means doing anything that's not doing the one obvious thing to prepare.

[Chuquita]

Re: early movie viewers

I think Julian and Kei will find out the second week of March if they made it.

I think I'll pass on that this time. The advance screening in Tokyo will take place on Monday. I'm now a full-time worker and probably won't be able to go. Also, honestly, I'm not as excited as I was when BoG was coming.

Understood. I do know Julian sent in a bunch of entries, maybe he or even Pekingduk will be able to make it.

[Monkey King Vegeta]

I'm gonna go ahead and predict Frieza's ultimate form will have horns and huge strong legs... I just have a feeling.

Wonder if Frieza's race bulks up after training just like humans do.

[dbzfan7]

That said I do look forward to Freeza's form. Hopefully more care goes to it than Super Saiyan God.

[Retan]

Re: early movie viewers

I think Julian and Kei will find out the second week of March if they made it.

I think I'll pass on that this time. The advance screening in Tokyo will take place on Monday. I'm now a full-time worker and probably won't be able to go. Also, honestly, I'm not as excited as I was when BoG was coming.

Wait this monday?

[In Brightest Day]

KaiserNeko is on the money there. Most powerful guy in the galaxy and he still prefers to have huge reserves of minions run around for him. Imagine the Namek arc if he just said "fine I'll do it myself" right from the start.

[mAcChaos]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

He's also shown as paranoid, and to stay on the side of caution. His words. Yet that caution means doing anything that's not doing the one obvious thing to prepare.

He's paranoid but he's also extremely arrogant. Like he was almost unable to believe that Goku was beating him in the first place. It wasn't computing. He was in denial. And it took him dying for him (twice, basically) for him to finally accept that he was beaten.

Look how long it took for Vegeta to accept that Goku was better than him. It is basically the same thing going on here.

[KaiserNeko]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

He's also shown as paranoid, and to stay on the side of caution. His words. Yet that caution means doing anything that's not doing the one obvious thing to prepare.

His idea of being cautious was to BLOW UP THE ENTIRE PLANET.

How much lazier can you get? Blow up the planet... or train? Which one takes more time and energy? Furthermore, eliminating them all completely removes the threat of the Super Saiyan legend.

Either way, I've already explained why his shrewdness and paranoia would succumb to his self-importance. Not to mention, his "fear" was always portrayed as barely significant to begin with. "Hrm, they're getting too powerful. Maybe I should train my body to greater heights, and become strong enough that will never have to concern myself with their potential. Oh, but that would be so tedious. Eliminating them would be such a far more satisfying endeavor, and I'll never again need concern myself with that persistent legend of theirs."

[rereboy]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

I've read the new manga with Freeza being revived. In it, Freeza is revived, learns that Goku has beaten Majin Buu and states that, even though Goku has become stronger than he thought, it doesn't matter because, with his potential, if he trains for 4 months it will be enough to match them and defeat them.

If Freeza is aware that he can become that much greater with a little training, then that line of thought really should have come to him after being defeated on Namek and before he came to Earth.

You will notice that I'm not saying that Freeza is really stupid and lazy for attacking Goku on Namek when Goku offered to let him go so that he could train. Freeza attacking in the heat of that moment, with his personality, is understandable. But Freeza waking up from what is essentially death after Namek is not really different from what is shown in this manga. Its basically the same thing. In both cases, Freeza is brought back from what is essentially death, wants revenge and has time to pursue that goal. Thus, what this manga introduces (and probably the new movie), does make Freeza look more lazy and stupid than he did before regarding his actions after Namek, especially with his earlier characterization in the manga of being a careful dictator when it came to possible threats.

His idea of being cautious was to BLOW UP THE ENTIRE PLANET.

How much lazier can you get? Blow up the planet... or train? Which one takes more time and energy? Furthermore, eliminating them all completely removes the threat of the Super Saiyan legend.

Either way, I've already explained why his shrewdness and paranoia would succumb to his self-importance. Not to mention, his "fear" was always portrayed as barely significant to begin with. "Hrm, they're getting too powerful. Maybe I should train my to treater heights, and become strong enough that will never have to concern myself with their potential. Oh, but that would be so tedious. Eliminating them would be such a far more satisfying endeavor, and I'll never again need concern myself with that persistent legend of theirs."

Actually, its never mentioned at all in the manga if Freeza trains. So, no, in the manga there's no Freeza choosing to destroy a planet because he is lazy to train. That idea has only been introduced now by the new movie and new manga saying that he has never trained and that he can gain tremendous power in very little time if he does train.

[dbzfan7]

Also, in regards to tbe criticism of of Freeza being "lazy" and "foolish" for never training:

The man was a haughty, foolish, spoiled brat of a man who was handed everything he ever wanted and took what he didn't with the force of others. For Christ's sake, the man floats around in his bubble car like Baron Harkonnen and openly states that the only person to bring harm to him was his father. He was always portrayed as an aristocratic madman with no struggle, which cultivated a sense of superiority so staggering that, from a psychological point of view, it makes sense that he's never attempted to better himself.

After being viciously humbled, I can understand the idea that he'd be willing now to takes the appropriate steps to better himself, but I can't help but wonder if this "training" angle is more of a ruse from the story; perhaps Sorbet's ring is an ace in the hole? Maybe Freeza's first engagement with Son Goku ends terribly, and Sorbet (being the sneaky, conniving little fiend we've seen so far) has concocted a way, secretly or not, to combat them.

Who knows! I certainly don't! But it doesn't really improve my mood to try and come up with reasons why it sucks or doesn't work when I don't have even half the details to fill it all in!

He's also shown as paranoid, and to stay on the side of caution. His words. Yet that caution means doing anything that's not doing the one obvious thing to prepare.

He's paranoid but he's also extremely arrogant. Like he was almost unable to believe that Goku was beating him in the first place. It wasn't computing. He was in denial. And it took him dying for him (twice, basically) for him to finally accept that he was beaten.

Look how long it took for Vegeta to accept that Goku was better than him. It is basically the same thing going on here.

There's a difference between arrogance, and idiocy. If it takes 4 months to reach god status, Freeza's a lazy moron. That means he's soooo stupid, he can't train for a single day to beat Goku. If 4 months mean god status, then a day would crush the saiyans. I could understand Freeza's impatience if it'd take him years or so to become strong enough to win, so he rushes in on arrogance. But if it takes this short amount of time to be that strong, he's so lazy he can't spend 24 hours to become the best. That'll hardly ruin his schedule.

His idea of being cautious was to BLOW UP THE ENTIRE PLANET.

How much lazier can you get? Blow up the planet... or train? Which one takes more time and energy? Furthermore, eliminating them all completely removes the threat of the Super Saiyan legend.

Either way, I've already explained why his shrewdness and paranoia would succumb to his self-importance. Not to mention, his "fear" was always portrayed as barely significant to begin with. "Hrm, they're getting too powerful. Maybe I should train my body to greater heights, and become strong enough that will never have to concern myself with their potential. Oh, but that would be so tedious. Eliminating them would be such a far more satisfying endeavor, and I'll never again need concern myself with that persistent legend of theirs."

Honestly it is lazy and stupid. If 4 months means god status, then a day to a week would be all he needs to beat everyone. That's hardly gonna rain on anyone's time. Freeza knows these people are stronger than him now, and yet still went face first to fight again. Even he said he may need daddy to help him. He knew of his potential beforehand and how quick he could at least reach Boo levels, but he can't just do the same judge from way back when he was saved from death the first time?

I've read the new manga with Freeza being revived. In it, Freeza is revived, learns that Goku has beaten Majin Buu and states that, even though Goku has become stronger than he thought, it doesn't matter because, with his potential, if he trains for 4 months it will be enough to match them and defeat them.

If Freeza is aware that he can become that much greater with a little training, then that line of thought really should have come to him after being defeated on Namek and before he came to Earth.

You will notice that I'm not saying that Freeza is really stupid and lazy for attacking Goku on Namek when Goku offered to let him go so that he could train. Freeza attacking in the heat of that moment, with his personality, is understandable. But Freeza waking up from what is essentially death after Namek is not really different from what is shown in this manga. Its basically the same thing. In both cases, Freeza is brought back from what is essentially death, wants revenge and has time to pursue that goal. Thus, what this manga introduces (and probably the new movie), does make Freeza look more lazy and stupid than he did before regarding his actions after Namek, especially with his earlier characterization in the manga of being a careful dictator when it came to possible threats.

Well done. That's exactly the problem. If he knew his potential was this great, he would have utilized it by now. Would have been better if he discovered he had this much potential which I believe you suggested once.

[TheGmGoken]

And I haven't seen much negative rants in this thread. Unless I just don't pay attention to them.

Obviously not.

My apologies.....? Sorry I don't see the point of complainng about people complaints. Nor do in see mass negative feedback..

It was Goku strength that made the Genkidama hit Buu (even if it was Vegeta's wish)

what I meant here is that Vegeta wished for Goku's strength to be restored, but even with that it was Goku the one who pushed the Genkidama to hit Buu

I did read it. And I gave you response. Goku still didn't beat or kill anyone 1v1. Hell he barely played a role in killing Boo.

Vegeta gave the idea
Dense summon Dragon
Satan gave motivation
Earth gave energy.

Goku was just the carrier. He's like a seahorse.

[Retan]

And I haven't seen much negative rants in this thread. Unless I just don't pay attention to them.

Obviously not.

My apologies.....? Sorry I don't see the point of complainng about people complaints. Nor do in see mass negative feedback..

It was Goku strength that made the Genkidama hit Buu (even if it was Vegeta's wish)

what I meant here is that Vegeta wished for Goku's strength to be restored, but even with that it was Goku the one who pushed the Genkidama to hit Buu

I did read it. And I gave you response. Goku still didn't beat or kill anyone 1v1. Hell he barely played a role in killing Boo.

Vegeta gave the idea
Dense summon Dragon
Satan gave motivation
Earth gave energy.

Goku was just the carrier. He's like a seahorse.

A male searhorse no doubt.

What about beating Piccolo in a manga known as dragonball, and was always called Dragonball In japan.

[Chuquita]

Re: early movie viewers

I think Julian and Kei will find out the second week of March if they made it.

I think I'll pass on that this time. The advance screening in Tokyo will take place on Monday. I'm now a full-time worker and probably won't be able to go. Also, honestly, I'm not as excited as I was when BoG was coming.

Wait this monday?

The 30th of March. I'm counting down to it in my sig.