Is there proof that Freeza had his body in hell? It could be a dream-like state?OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Something I believe we haven't discussed yet is how Freeza has his body in hell when villains supposedly lose them as stated by Kami and Piccolo.
If this movie is supposedly "the true canon continuation post boo" then fans who say that would have to accept other world arc.
Freeza didn't have a body in Hell, his body is destroyed by Trunks, and even when it was restored in FnF, it was still in pieces. The body Freeza has in Hell is either a fake body, or his spirit had taken the form of his body before its destruction.OWmyDragonBallz wrote:So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?
I'm not sure if his body was in proper condition for training back then.rereboy wrote:Because, after his defeat on Namek, he could just have trained for 1 month, become way stronger than anybody, and then come to Earth and wipe out Goku and the rest. This makes him look stupid.
This is 100% real, actually. We see Freeza disappearing from that place after he was revived.Hitiro wrote:Is there proof that Freeza had his body in hell? It could be a dream-like state?Do you honestly think this is what hell looks like? XDSpoiler:
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
This is the bottom line, but people see to believe Toriyama totally cares and has been carefully making sure it all fits into his manga.rereboy wrote:I believe that Toriyama just doesn't care as much about consistency and continuity as us. Its not simply a matter of forgetting things, the man is a gag artist at heart and true to his genre, he simply doesn't take things as consistency and continuity as seriously as us.
I have to agree with this as well. And while I would greatly prefer if he paid more attention to detail, respected complete and seamless consistency, possibly even had a fact checker or lore master when he makes these new stories, I've come to terms with the fact that such is just an unrealistic ideal. I actually find it rather strange to expect some kind of flawless consistency in Dragon Ball stories. It's simply not a dominant or defining characteristic of the franchise.rereboy wrote:I believe that Toriyama just doesn't care as much about consistency and continuity as us. Its not simply a matter of forgetting things, the man is a gag artist at heart and true to his genre, he simply doesn't take things as consistency and continuity as seriously as us.
Nah, he's still weaker than Android 18. The movie can say whatever it wants, it's still just a movie, and one that's about ten times harder to fit than movie 4.OWmyDragonBallz wrote:So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
We get it, you hate Frieza, no need to become another GmGoken like broken record who just keeps harping on about the same thing constantly.RandomGuy96 wrote: Nah, he's still weaker than Android 18. The movie can say whatever it wants, it's still just a movie, and one that's about ten times harder to fit than movie 4.
Well, special punishments had been established too (like sending Dabura to Hell). That hell still is completely different from the anime's, and although he had his body he was a in pod and couldn't move.OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Something I believe we haven't discussed yet is how Freeza has his body in hell when villains supposedly lose them as stated by Kami and Piccolo.
If this movie is supposedly "the true canon continuation post boo", then fans who say that would have to accept other world arc or at the least stop bashing the fact that they do have their bodies during that time.
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I don't understand how this makes Frieza a prodigy. The only person of his race he can compare himself to is Cold, and their powers are comparable without training. So is he a prodigy too? Prodigy of what? Do they even have a race?Dayspring wrote:Freeza says he's a prodigy, so much so that he's as powerful as he is without every having trained even once in his life.
than everyone in Buu saga. 
He never said anything about training in relation to his cybernetic attachments. The entire reason he became more powerful following his body being rebuilt by those cybernetics is because he was rebuilt with cybernetics that augmented his strength.DieHard wrote:He is lying, he says he has got strong in his mecha form, he trains. [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]
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Freeza calling himself a prodigy in this context tells us that he's naturally gifted in terms of strength, which is true given how he's 1,000x stronger than Ginyu, who in turn was the strongest mutant after Cold.fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't understand how this makes Freeza a prodigy. The only person of his race he can compare himself to is Cold, and their powers are comparable without training. So is he a prodigy too? Prodigy of what? Do they even have a race?Dayspring wrote:Freeza says he's a prodigy, so much so that he's as powerful as he is without every having trained even once in his life.
I wish Freeza would have given some clues of his origins and status as a mutant instead of just calling himself a prodigy. That'd be more plausible because then we'd know his body's composition is different and has the potential to generate more ki than any other organism. All I would have wanted was a better explanation...
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
The Geeky Gentleman: For all your comics, movies, TV and other geeky needs.Freeza Heika wrote: for the land of the cool, and the home of the Appule
He let Piccolo live and look what happened after. He became a very valuable ally, trained Gohan...things happen for a reason.rereboy wrote:
Even without being able to match Goku's power in the future, the people that goku let go could cause destruction on earth por elsewhere and kill a lot of people. Even being sronger, goku can't be everythere and save everyone and he can't expect the people he let go to play by the rules.
Too proud and stubborn. That would be admitting that Goku was strong enough to make him run.OWmyDragonBallz wrote:During his battle with Goku, why didn't Freeza escape and come back in 4 months if he could supposedly surpass every saga by that time?
