The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[In Brightest Day]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

I tend to keep the humans in the low millions, usually having Krillin come close to or surpass namek base Goku, I just don't like the base saiyans being worlds above them, and there are a few statements implying they're very strong in that arc.

Agreed.

Son Gohan (Android arc) vs. base Goku (Namek)

Gohan with minor difficulty.

Son Gohan (Android arc) vs. base Future Gohan (1 arm)

I figure Future Gohan should be at a disadvantage considering he didn't get the three years of intensive training under both Goku and Piccolo. Still, he'd be close and I figure years of being terrorized by the Androids has hardened him a lot. He would beat his younger self.

Son Gohan (Android arc) vs. base Yardrat Goku

Goku is pretty close in power, which is an automatic victory against someone like Gohan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

Goku one-shots all of them.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

Goku stomps everyone in his path.

[mysticboy]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

First form or final form?

[In Brightest Day]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

First form or final form?

Final form.

[Bullza]

Goku at his strongest vs Pegasus Seiya at his strongest

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta, Gohan, & Krillin vs 1st Form Freeza. Basically if the fight had continued in the manga without Freeza transforming. Vegeta said that they had a chance, and Gohan and Krillin's powers were said to be rising throughout the battle. Could they have taken Freeza?

[Hugo Boss]

Goku at his strongest vs Pegasus Seiya at his strongest

Seiya has pretty haxxed statements on his favor, but dunno. His franchise lacks the intensity we see from the Dragon Ball Z era. Could you bring one instance where Seiya's punchs blow away like 1 mile of air around Goku?

Vegeta, Gohan, & Krillin vs 1st Form Freeza. Basically if the fight had continued in the manga without Freeza transforming. Vegeta said that they had a chance, and Gohan and Krillin's powers were said to be rising throughout the battle. Could they have taken Freeza?

I think Vegeta had a point. He was almost as strong as Freeza when they clashed and he still knew Freeza could transform. Probably, he calculated that even if Freeza becomes more powerful than Vegeta, he wouldn't be so far above that the three of them together would be helpless.

[mysticboy]

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

First form or final form?

Final form.

The team overwhelms Goku then.

[Super SaiyaJon]

Base Goku (Buu Arc) w/ Kioken up to x500 VS Kid Buu
^Assume Kioken becomes stressful at x400 and becomes equally as stressful as SSJ3 at x450. (x500 is the absolute limit without sudden death.)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Goku loses. I have Super Saiyan 3 at 1000x base power, so he'd only end up at around 55% of Kid Buu here.

[Super SaiyaJon]

Goku loses. I have Super Saiyan 3 at 1000x base power, so he'd only end up at around 55% of Kid Buu here.

I based mine of the "SSJ3 = x400 base" multipliers.

Here's a rough conversion to your multiplier...

Base Goku (Buu Arc) w/ Kioken up to x1200 VS Kid Buu
^Assume Kioken becomes stressful at x1000 and becomes equally as stressful as SSJ3 at x1100. (x1200 is the absolute limit without sudden death.)

[Kaboom]

Hatchiyack vs Perfect Cell

All I really know about Hatchiyak's power is that he was said to be stronger than (Movie Broli. So I'd say he's a match for normal full-power Perfect Cell, but not quite on "Super Perfect" Cell's SS2-equivalent level. Either way, I think Hatchiyak loses, since as far as I know he's pretty much just a brutish monster.

Mystic Gohan vs SSJ 2 teen Gohan,
or SSJ 2 teen Gohan vs BoG SSj2 Vegeta?

— Um, "Ultimate" Gohan is stronger than SS3 Gotenks, who's stronger than SS3 Goku, who at just SS2 was already stronger than any given SS2 Gohan. So this is the very definition of an "easy stomp."
— Vegeta's made more progress and is even stronger than his Boo arc self, who was already stronger than SS2 Gohan. It's not a complete one-sided shutout victory, but still a pretty easy one for Vegeta.

Android 20 vs Freeza 100%

No. 20's at a moderate disadvantage to start, but if he plays it smart he can easily turn that around by absorbing Freeza's ki, letting Freeza's 100% wear him out, or a combination of both.

SSJ4 Gotenks (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Vegetto (Saiyan Arc) vs Freeza [What is the highest form (or % of final form) Vegetto can handle?]

— No matter which "logic" you use, I'm betting the difference between SS3 and SS4 is always going to be a big one. Since there'd only be a 2- to 3-times difference between SS3 Gotenks and Gohan-absorbed Boo, I'm betting SS4 lets Gotenks win pretty easily.

— Just ballparking things based on how much stronger than Goku Vegetto would have to be to beat Boo like he did based on my arbitrary numbers... base Vegetto ends up a match for 3rd-form Freeza. Even when giving him Super Saiyan, he can't quite win against 100% Freeza.

Goku (23rd Budokai) vs. Chi-Chi (Boo Saga); There Goku would have no feelings towards Chi-Chi.
Yamuhan (Namek Saga) vs. Krillin (Cell Games)

— I doubt Chi-Chi ever became significantly stronger than she was at the 23rd WT. Goku can still beat her pretty easily.
— Yamhan wins pretty easily. Until something comes along to prove me wrong, I don't think any of the humans, Kuririn included, got much higher than a power level of 100,000. Assuming this is Ten and Yamcha after their training with Kaio, their individual strength is high enough compared to Kuririn's that Fusion puts them comfortably ahead of him.

Buu arc Yamcha vs. 1st form Freeza

You remember what 1st-form Freeza did to Nail, with only a fraction of his power? Yeah, the same thing happens to Yamcha. Except Yamcha can't grow his limbs back.

base Kid Gohan (Android arc) gauntlet:
1. base Goku (Namek)
2. base Future Gohan (1 arm)
3. base Yardrat Goku

Gohan's been actively training for the past 3 years, so rusty skills aren't going to be a problem. In terms of power, I think Gohan's roughly the same as the other Saiyans in base, and lacks nothing at this point compared to them but Super Saiyan. So one-on-one he can take any of these guys, but if he has to fight them all in a row, he eventually gets worn out.

Base Son Goku (vs. Freeza) vs. Vegeta (vs. Freeza), Piccolo (post-Nail fusion) and 3rd form Freeza.

In terms of power, it's basically a 3 versus a 2-2.5, a 1.5, and a 2. Goku gets overwhelmed by his opponents' teamwork, although Vegeta and Freeza do most of the work.

Vegeta, Gohan, & Krillin vs 1st Form Freeza. Basically if the fight had continued in the manga without Freeza transforming. Vegeta said that they had a chance, and Gohan and Krillin's powers were said to be rising throughout the battle. Could they have taken Freeza?

They only have a chance if Freeza keeps taking them lightly. Based on their short little clash, Vegeta was trying his hardest, while Freeza was barely trying at all. If Freeza gets serious, I'm sure he could take them all down, but he wouldn't escape unharmed.

Base Goku (Buu Arc) w/ Kaioken up to x500 VS Kid Buu
^Assume Kaioken becomes stressful at x400 and becomes equally as stressful as SSJ3 at x450. (x500 is the absolute limit without sudden death.)

Goku can win, but he has to do it quickly. If he lets Boo regenerate from his attacks more than once or twice, he's going to be too worn out to finish things.

[In Brightest Day]

Until something comes along to prove me wrong, I don't think any of the humans, Kuririn included, got much higher than a power level of 100,000.

I don't think it's so much that people need to prove you wrong as it is neither side has concrete evidence to trump the other. "How strong did the humans get" is usually a painful exercise because neither side can definitively prove the other wrong, and it has made done over so many times you can basically anticipate every point that's going to be made miles away.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I think the Androids considering Yamcha a good source of energy is an indication of them being strong. I couldn't imagine two guys in atleast 100% Freeza's league considering Captain Ginyu or someone in that range a good source of energy.

[Rocketman]

I think the Androids considering Yamcha a good source of energy is an indication of them being strong. I couldn't imagine two guys in atleast 100% Freeza's league considering Captain Ginyu or someone in that range a good source of energy.

Maybe they aren't in 100% Freeza's league.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Given the fact that #19 wasn't one-shotted by sick SSJ Goku, who's stronger than SSJ Future Trunks (Mecha) by a good margin, who was confident in taking on 100% Mecha Freeza, who's stronger than 100% Freeza, I'd say it's safe to assume they're in that league.

Or the fact that the Z-fighters were only able to conclude that the Androids were the wrong ones after Trunks' confirmation, despite seeing the Android's movements.

[Rocketman]

Given the fact that #19 wasn't one-shotted by sick SSJ Goku, who's stronger than SSJ Future Trunks (Mecha) by a good margin, who was confident in taking on 100% Mecha Freeza, who's stronger than 100% Freeza, I'd say it's safe to assume they're in that league.

Or the fact that the Z-fighters were only able to conclude that the Androids were the wrong ones after Trunks' confirmation, despite seeing the Android's movements.

The Androids don't have power levels. They aren't in anybody's league, and aren't bound to ki scaling.

[In Brightest Day]

Tenshinhan felt Freeza's strength three years ago yet a weakened SSJ Goku was still "incredible." So yeah, putting Gero and 19 in Freeza's tier would be a fair assumption.

[Hugo Boss]

Tenshinhan felt Freeza's strength three years ago yet a weakened SSJ Goku was still "incredible." So yeah, putting Gero and 19 in Freeza's tier would be a fair assumption.

The strength Tenshinhan felt was said to be nowhere near the full power of Freeza. Apparently, Tenshinhan even forgot to sense Trunks' and Goku's kis when they quick-tested themselves.