Would you mind if Toriyama ditches the Final Chapter & Uub

[Lord Beerus]

I'm telling ya, I'm so glad DB ended. I love it, but I don't want it to drag on. If anything, make an alternate universe or something.

Alternate universes technically already exists in Dragon Ball. GT and all of the movies excluding BOG and FnF take place in an alternate DB Universe.

[Vijay]

I would fucking mind if TOEI does tarnish Z's ending (Final Chapter) & Uub

BOG & RoF writing is crap at best, that'll make Gt a masterpiece. Dead dude training & getting Godly power, my ass.

Goku & Uub's cute Sensei-student relationship with reincarnation as an aspect is beyond any crap that TOEI throw at us, fans yearly/occasionally (GT, PTES, Episode of Bardock etc)

Uub = Reincarnated kid Buu & trained by Goku. What else u need for a solid, next-gen fighter?

This coming for former Uub hater

[dbzfan7]

Then follow it up with a movie about Oob leading the new generation of fighters into becoming Earth's new heroes.

That's one way to kill the franchise.

More like that's one way to keep it fresh.

Exactly. I'd love something focused on Oob or someone else. Hell one thing that made me hyped for the Bardock stuff was "It's not Goku". I'd like to see some Goku/Oob training, and Oob being the main character. I think the boy deserves a shot.

[Vegard Aune]

I don't want this franchise to turn into One Piece, dragging on forever.

Off topic. But One Piece doesn't drag.

If the manga is still on the same arc that has been going on for almost two years now, then that is dragging, and that's what One Piece is doing right now. The Dressrosa arc is like the Buu saga, only much worse and longer.

There is one very noticable difference between Dress Rosa in One Piece and the Majin Boo saga, and it is the same thing that sets DB and OP apart in general...
Toriyama was clearly just making stuff up as he went along. Oda has proven time and time again that he's got this whole thing thoroughly planned out. Yes, the Dress Rosa arc has way too many subplots going and so it's taking ages to finish, but at the same time, the arc is the payoff of nearly a decade's worth of buildup for Doflamingo as a villain. Not going to deny that the arc is seriously overstaying its welcome (reading the last volume I was just hit by the realization that "Oh dear... Luffy's still going to be trying to defeat Doflamingo for another six months, isn't he?!") but comparing it to the Majin Boo arc doesn't quite work. If anything it's closer to the Freeza-arc in that it's clearly building up to something, (even for all of Toriyama's very obvious "making this up as I go along"-ness, he did establish pretty early on in that arc that Super Saiyans were going to be a thing and what reader didn't immediately conclude that "Oh, Goku is going to become one and defeat Freeza!"?) but it's taking frustratingly long to get there.

[rereboy]

There is one very noticable difference between Dress Rosa in One Piece and the Majin Boo saga, and it is the same thing that sets DB and OP apart in general...
Toriyama was clearly just making stuff up as he went along. Oda has proven time and time again that he's got this whole thing thoroughly planned out. Yes, the Dress Rosa arc has way too many subplots going and so it's taking ages to finish, but at the same time, the arc is the payoff of nearly a decade's worth of buildup for Doflamingo as a villain. Not going to deny that the arc is seriously overstaying its welcome (reading the last volume I was just hit by the realization that "Oh dear... Luffy's still going to be trying to defeat Doflamingo for another six months, isn't he?!") but comparing it to the Majin Boo arc doesn't quite work. If anything it's closer to the Freeza-arc in that it's clearly building up to something, (even for all of Toriyama's very obvious "making this up as I go along"-ness, he did establish pretty early on in that arc that Super Saiyans were going to be a thing and what reader didn't immediately conclude that "Oh, Goku is going to become one and defeat Freeza!"?) but it's taking frustratingly long to get there.

Actually, the fact that it has too many things going on makes it lose its focus and that takes away from other characters, including Doflamingo and even the Straw Hat crew. Its simply too much and loses some of its effectiveness because of it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I have to agree. Oda has way too many subplots going on and is jumping between them way too much. He starts on one and then almost immediately skips to another one just around the time I start to get invested, and it rips me right out of the story. I know he's been building up to this for a long while now, but it even though the arc is well underway, it feels like like the resolution isn't really in sight. So despite whatever the payoff is gonna be, I'm just finding myself not really caring at this point. It's disappointing too, because I've been following along week-to-week for I can't even remember how long now, but with the pacing of the current arc...I kinda want to put One Piece down for a while. So yes, I'd say he's not being very effective with his storytelling for the moment. Though I will give him credit, as this is the first time in a long time I've felt that way about the series.

As for Dragon Ball, I really wouldn't mind if Toriyama ends up ditching the manga's ending (either of them), but I don't really want to lose Uub. He may not have had very much to him in the original, but the loss of a character would still be the loss of a character. Maybe just tweak his reasons for wanting to have Uub as a pupil/sparring partner after whatever additions he gets done making in between or something. I dunno, it's hard to propose a solution when we don't know the ending of the new middle portions of the "Buu Arc." xD

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's pretty ridiculous for the kids to slack off so badly too, now that the ten years has had like five alien invasions.

Five? Isn't it three so far, including Freeza's invasion in FnF?

They have their dads to save the day, and they also have normal lives as well.

[Zephyr]

It's pretty ridiculous for the kids to slack off so badly too, now that the ten years has had like five alien invasions.

Five? Isn't it three so far, including Freeza's invasion in FnF?

I'm counting four with Movie 13 included.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

About the Oob vs Goku plot-hole because of Super Saiyan God making Goku much more powerful than Oob, maybe it's fixed.

In Dragon Ball Heroes, base Goku from RoF has a "transformation", which seems to be a base Goku with SSGod power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... PEw4#t=297

If Goku's God base state works like Ultimate works for Gohan in BoG & video games (where it works as an alternative "transformation" to his Super Saiyan), then this could mean that Goku can choose not to use his God power if he doesn't want to, meaning that maybe he wasn't planing to use his God power against Oob in the TB. It would make sense, since Goku fought Pure Boo as a Super Saiyan 3, so he would want a rematch with him in the same form, without a power-up he partly got for free.

[Scott]

I would mind very much if Akira Toriyama ditched the final chapter. I like Uub, i like that Goku see's something special in someone and is going to train him.

I still think it can work well even with Goku's huge power boost. We know Goku was holding back against Uub, and even with Goku's power boost it's still possible for Uub to hurt him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I still think it can work well even with Goku's huge power boost. We know Goku was holding back against Uub, and even with Goku's power boost it's still possible for Uub to hurt him.

The problem isn't Oob hurting Goku, the problem is that Goku believed that Oob may have a chance to beat him, and he ended up being exactly as strong as he expected him to be, except that he was untrained & didn't know how to use that power yet.

[TJVY]

I don't mind if he ditches Uub or if I never see or hear of the character again, but that's just me.

[TripleRach]

I would definitely mind. As it is, we already have two different versions of the final chapter. Adding a third continuity where neither of them happened is kind of insulting and lazy. It reminds me of Nintendo suddenly revealing there are three Zelda timelines to excuse the mess they made with multiple sequels to the ultra popular Ocarina of Time, which was already an obvious prequel to A Link to the Past.

It's not that I think the 28th Budoukai is this incredible, flawless masterpiece. But it's been the established ending for just under 20 years now. I would much rather Toriyama attempt to work with it than take the easy way out and ignore it.

I think it would have been much better to set new movies after Oob. The ending was wide open for new adventures, after all. And even if you wanted to keep from ignoring GT, it seems easier to rationalize new threats between Boo and GT's villains than it does to rationalize them between Boo and Oob.

Obviously Oob is not one of the most popular characters, but he's basically a blank slate! You could do anything with him. And he doesn't have to become Earth's new savior and take the spotlight overnight. (Or ever, if you wanted to pull another Gohan.) I don't know why anyone would be against using him, unless kid Trunks and Goten are just insanely popular.

[MCDaveG]

I would of course, I really like the end with teen Goten and Trunks, I do like Uub. I like the Goku's blue dougi that dates back to the beginning of DB
and the promise of more adventures going on.

[Analytical Delusion]

So, since the summary of FnF (thanks again Julian and the staff!) seems to suggest there's going to be another film, I wonder how difficult it will be to fit it in prior to the final few chapters?

I definitely wouldn't mind if AT ditched the epilogue (and actually expect him to go that route), but it is a shame how Uub was handled in GT. Seemed to have so much potential.

[Basaku]

So, since the summary of FnF (thanks again Julian and the staff!) seems to suggest there's going to be another film, I wonder how difficult it will be to fit it in prior to the final few chapters?

The most likely scenario IMO involves a necessity for Goku/Vegeta and maybe other fighters to leave Earth and fight other Gods of Destruction or whatever, thus finding someone to protect it in the meantime. Enter Uub and EOZ. There'll have to add a lot of gymnastics to fit EOZ in this new canon. But it's still doable IMO, it's a small arc.

GT on the other hand is clearly out of the window.

[SonEric84]

I guess it depends on where he would take the story? I mean, personally, the ending of DBZ left much to be desired for me and I would have rather it ended with the defeat of Buu instead of doing a ten year time skip.

[Basaku]

I guess it depends on where he would take the story? I mean, personally, the ending of DBZ left much to be desired for me and I would have rather it ended with the defeat of Buu instead of doing a ten year time skip.

But... without 10 year skip we would've never seen perfection in anime form that is EOZ Goten

[Neon Z]

I hope we go post end of Z just because I'd like to see the show introducing new warriors again. Aside from Uub, there's also Pan, who could get a boost to relevancy through Super Saiyan God, I guess. Toriyama also pretty much would be able to take their character in any direction, considering how they'd be pretty much blank slates aside from gender and some basic design traits.

He also could use some amount of time passing after the end of Z to redesign everyone again if he wasn't happy with how they looked there. He already made everyone look younger than they should here anyway.

Anyway, I don't think Uub would even need to take the role of main hero. Just being a powerhouse around Goku's and now Vegeta's power would change dynamics quite a bit, even if he doesn't finish off the villain.

Alternatively though, all that could be achieved by featuring the clash of two universes in the next movie, with the best warriors of that other universe fighting on Goku's or Vegeta's level.

[Hellspawn28]

I hope the ending with Uub is still kept at the end. I do think Goku was still looking forward too having Buu be brought back as a good person and Toriyama can make a series of movies set after the end of DBZ with Goku and Uub. Not to mention Uub needs a better proper treatment since he was pretty much a jobber in GT.