Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
Big Momma
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5153
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:21 pm
Location: The Crossroads

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Big Momma » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:55 pm

rereboy wrote:
Are you suggesting that having a normal mangaka schedule until 1995, and only doing small things and collaborating with stuff after that, is proof that he works very hard?
I'm saying he's worked hard his whole life, and even if this form were him being lazy (Spoiler: It isn't), I'd say he's earned a bit a laziness over the years. Especially since he's doing this despite his 60th birthday being a stone's throw away. The man should be retired by now.
Dyno wrote: Changing Freeza's fourth form from white to gold is indeed lazy, unless it has a deep meaning, which apparently not.
If you want more meaning to it, then Gold/Purple are colors are often used to represent royalty. There ya go. As people have said earlier in the thread, though. I'd say it's just an in-joke with the fact that it comes out during Golden Week.

It's not lazy. It's simple, like many other transformations he's done in the past.

SSJ: Just spiked up gold hair. That's it.
SSJ2: Spiker gold hair. Add some lighting.
SSJ3: Keep the lighting. Make his hair longer.
SSJG: Make him a little more lean. Turn his hair red.
Kid Buu: Literally as the name says. Looks like Super Buu, just a little kid.

Even Cell's forms aren't that different between each stage.

Again, I'm left wondering what anyone was expecting (I don't even know what I was expecting). What did you envision his form to look like before? What did you want out of it? More muscles? Some spikes? Shoulder pads? I've got an idea; Let's start a topic in the "Fan Works" section. It'll be called "Draw Your Own Version of Freeza's New Form" and I'll take bets on how many schmucks put out the same shit we've been seeing in AF fanart for years. This is a man who, by his own admission, isn't a fan of big flashy transformations and loves to mess and flip around things that would be "typical".

Working for over 10 years is not an excuse for him to make Dragon Ball Minus so bad as it indeed is. He provided a wonderful job on Jaco, why can't he come up with something good for Freeza? Because he worked for over 10 years?
I thought Jaco was great as well. It was simple, not over the top or flashy, and didn't worry about details. As for DBM, I had no problem with that. My only issue is that Goku was sent to earth in a Saiyan suit there, when originally he was naked. But, that's not a big deal to me in the end.

And for all we know, this could be a good thing for Freeza. I'm certainly excited. :thumbup:
Kakarot9001 wrote: Are you serious? Toriyama is indeed lazy... Also you're saying that he "re-read his own series"? Well, I don't think so... Forgeting to change characters by their ages like Goten, Trunks and of course Marron. Forgeting about Bra, Gohan doesn't need SSJ anymore, Oob's power and some GT's facts... Toriyama is contradicting his own series with these new movies.
Goten and Trunks look fine, agewise, in BoG. As does Marron.
Bra wasn't born yet in BoG.

"Gohan doesn't need SSJ anymore"

I don't know what you're saying here, but I guess I agree? His use of SSJ in the film probably has an explanation we don't know yet or was just used for marketing or w/e because it "looks cool." They changed that whole fiasco with BoG so I doubt they'd make the same mistake again without a reason.

What about Uub's power? What GT facts? Aside from some designs and small things, Toriyama had nothing to do with GT.
Last edited by Big Momma on Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:57 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote: I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Youtube | Art/Animation Blog

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:55 pm

Monkey King Vegeta wrote:You can't screw us over Toryama, this is Veggies turn to shine.
If doesn't happen here then it never will but thankfully everything has been hinting at it so we don't have to worry.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:57 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Something is just off about seeing him fight.
I know it's been so long since his fight on Namek but you'll get used to it.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
FortuneSSJ
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5938
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:00 pm

Monkey King Vegeta wrote: On that note, am I the only one hoping for a concrete explenation to the entire Saiayan people up to the point where they start working for Freeza? Imagine if the ending is Vegeta wishing to ressurect all the saiyans.... :shock:
I hope not. Death is already a problem in this series.
Let the little the people that died long ago, stay dead.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.

Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota

User avatar
dbgtFO
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7976
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:07 pm
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:02 pm

Cetra wrote:I hope Vegeta says this to Freezer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CSFfMCFNAA
They won't even be going Super Saiyan most likely, though Vegeta could maybe make that speech about Super Saiyan God.

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:03 pm

sintzu wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Something is just off about seeing him fight.
I know it's been so long since his fight on Namek but you'll get used to it.
Umm Freeza fought in GT, Fusion Reborn, Trunks, and Pikkon. I'm saying it doesn't mean anything to beat him no more.

User avatar
dbzfan7
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 13045
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:06 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
sintzu wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Something is just off about seeing him fight.
I know it's been so long since his fight on Namek but you'll get used to it.
Umm Freeza fought in GT, Fusion Reborn, Trunks, and Paikuhan. I'm saying it doesn't mean anything to beat him no more.
And in Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans/Super Saiyans.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:07 pm

TheGmGoken wrote: Umm Freeza fought in GT, Fusion Reborn, Trunks, and Paikuhan.
Those weren't even fights.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
Cetra
I Live Here
Posts: 3855
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:01 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Cetra » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:08 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Cetra wrote:I hope Vegeta says this to Freezer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CSFfMCFNAA
They won't even be going Super Saiyan most likely, though Vegeta could maybe make that speech about Super Saiyan God.

That does not matter. It is mainly about the "you're not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore."
"Citation needed."
"too lazy

feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"

User avatar
Baggie_Saiyan
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10315
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:22 pm
Location: Atlantis.

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:11 pm

Any idea when we will get confirmation on the run time?

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:13 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Any idea when we will get confirmation on the run time?
BOG' script was 3 volumes which was 105 minutes while this movie's script is 5 volumes so hopefully it's at least 120 minutes.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
Dyno
Banned
Posts: 2235
Joined: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:57 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Dyno » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:14 pm

Big Momma wrote:If you want more meaning to it, then Gold/Purple are colors are often used to represent royalty. There ya go. As people have said earlier in the thread, though. I'd say it's just an in-joke with the fact that it comes out during Golden Week.

It's not lazy. It's simple, like many other transformations he's done in the past.

SSJ: Just spiked up gold hair. That's it.
SSJ2: Spiker gold hair. Add some lighting.
SSJ3: Keep the lighting. Make his hair longer.
SSJG: Make him a little more lean. Turn his hair red.
Kid Buu: Literally as the name says. Looks like Super Buu, just a little kid.

Even Cell's forms aren't that different between each stage.

Again, I'm left wondering what anyone was expecting (I don't even know what I was expecting). What did you envision his form to look like before? What did you want out of it? More muscles? Some spikes? Shoulder pads? I've got an idea; Let's start a topic in the "Fan Works" section. It'll be called "Draw Your Own Version of Freeza's New Form" and I'll take bets on how many schmucks put out the same shit we've been seeing in AF fanart for years. This is a man who, by his own admission, isn't a fan of big flashy transformations and loves to mess and flip around things that would be "typical".
It is too much gold with purple, those colors don't work together. You guys are always saying they represent "royalty" but I have never seen anything like that before, even in Yu-Gi-Oh! or The Mummy's movies.

There is no way Super Saiyan 3 is simple, it is a drastic change though the basic remained... His body. And I want something like that for Freeza. Yes, I was expecting to see his fourth form again, but with details, I don't know, lines throughout his body, just small bones on his arms... A little change/detail in his head... But we've got nothing. It was only the fourth form turned into gold, nothing more.

User avatar
dbzfan7
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 13045
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:19 pm

I don't like Golden Freeza, as it just encourages more people to be simple rather than something interesting. I don't want this idea of simple to be a thing. Practically anyone can just use the simple idea and call it fresh now.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:24 pm

sintzu wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote: Umm Freeza fought in GT, Fusion Reborn, Trunks, and Paikuhan.
Those weren't even fights.
Trunks attacks Freeza. Freeza attacks Trunks. That's a fight.
In GT Freeza and Cell fought Goku for 30 minutes (it's on YouTube).
Freeza tried to fight Pikkon and Gohan.

So how exactly are these NOT fights. Like it or not. They are. There's also the video game PLAN to kill Saiyans and its remake Plan to kill SSJ.

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:25 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I don't like Golden Freeza, as it just encourages more people to be simple rather than something interesting.
Isn't Ssj1&2 simple ?
Isn't mystic simple ?

I'm sure if it was in the original run no one would have a problem with it and the same goes for Ssjg.
TheGmGoken wrote:So how exactly are these NOT fights. Like it or not. They are.
If you say so.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
Kakarot9001
Banned
Posts: 383
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:24 am
Location: São Paulo, Brazil

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Kakarot9001 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:26 pm

Big Momma wrote:Goten and Trunks look fine, agewise, in BoG. As does Marron.
Bra wasn't born yet in BoG.

"Gohan doesn't need SSJ anymore"

I don't know what you're saying here, but I guess I agree? His use of SSJ in the film probably has an explanation we don't know yet or was just used for marketing or w/e because it "looks cool." They changed that whole fiasco with BoG so I doubt they'd make the same mistake again without a reason.

What about Uub's power? What GT facts? Aside from some designs and small things, Toriyama had nothing to do with GT.


Goten and Trunks were neither taller in BoG and had passed 5 years since Boo, Marron were younger than before also in FnF she looks like a baby when she should have 9 years old. Isn't Bra older than Pan?

Goku became a God and now his powers exceeds Kid Boo how would he be excited with Oob after gained all that amount of power?

Toriyama is indeed ignoring things that happened in GT like: Pilaf Gang being younger, Freeza's new transformation

I though he would use Gohan as SSJ to explain why in GT he transformed as such.

But I think he wants to finnaly confirm to fans that GT never happened in the original story

User avatar
FortuneSSJ
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5938
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:28 pm

sintzu wrote: I'm sure if it was in the original run no one would have a problem with it and the same goes for Ssjg.
Majin Buu would have a warm reception nowadays-
And Mystic Gohan to these people seems to be the most original transformation, because nobody hates it.
Last edited by FortuneSSJ on Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.

Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota

User avatar
Kakarot9001
Banned
Posts: 383
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:24 am
Location: São Paulo, Brazil

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Kakarot9001 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:28 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:So how exactly are these NOT fights. Like it or not. They are. There's also the video game PLAN to kill Saiyans and its remake Plan to kill SSJ.
You're counting the remake and its original version? Why? lol

It's the same thing

User avatar
Low Tone G
I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
Posts: 1711
Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:34 am

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Low Tone G » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 pm

I see many times that Freeza's Golden Evolution's colour scheme is lame and awful, but in the same time many people want Vegeta to get blue hair colour if becomes SSJ-God.... Really? Is there any nuance of blue to be nice or acceptable to be a hair colour especially on a man? I personally can not imagine one... I must admi the Golden + Purple isn't the best choice if we has been waiting for a more fancy form... but still, Dragon Ball is in the first place a grate story and only secondly a fancy action anime.
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...

User avatar
dbzfan7
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 13045
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:55 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:30 pm

sintzu wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I don't like Golden Freeza, as it just encourages more people to be simple rather than something interesting.
Isn't Ssj1&2 simple ?
Isn't mystic simple ?

I'm sure if it was in the original run no one would have a problem with it and the same goes for Ssjg.
SSJ at least for Goku and Trunks were different. If no one knew what SSJ was, we could easily re-cloth SSJ Goku and call him a new character. Try that with SSJ God and no one would buy that as the traditional Goku look is still there. It's only later on that Gohan and Vegeta fuck up the distinguished look of SSJ and basically look the same.

Ultimate is not a transformation. It's supposed to be just base Gohan drawing out all his hidden powers, and more.

No in the manga people wouldn't really notice much of a difference. We'd have a white haired Goku with his base hair, if SSJ God was introduced in the manga. That wouldn't make as much of a statement.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

Post Reply