Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Toriyama is releasing a new manga? Colour me interested!

Before the rumours explode, it appears to just be a one-off to accompany the movie. Looks like it'll be given away to attendees who see the film, like people who went to see Strong World and Film Z received One Piece Volume 0 and Volume 1000 respectively; although I believe the latter actually consisted of concept sketches and other supplementary material. Whatever it turns out to be, I can already tell it'll be going for a fairly hefty price on eBay.

[Sora Saiyan]

I'll be one of them people buying it for a hefty price off eBay Just curious what the contents will be.

[AvatarReiko]

Keep in mind that Freeza didn't cover that huge gap simply through training, it was training PLUS unlocking a new transformation. So training for four months was enough to amp the power of his fourth form to somewhere around Boo or something, then transforming on top of that adds even more power.

Going off the trailer, it appears that Freeza fights on par with God Goku in his final form before transforming.

Vegeta was not a prodigy Goku was.

Erm, Vegeta as a child had power level of 12,000, easily rivalling his dad. Goku was born with PL of mere 5.

[ACCloud]

Something just occurred to me about about the battle with Freeza's army.

Rather than a case of Goku/Vegeta not being able to defeat the army by themselves, what if Freeza tells his forces to go out and wreak havoc across Earth? Goku and Vegeta will be kept busy fighting Freeza, so the others have to step in and help protect the planet. And even if they weren't busy, it'd be hard to stop over a thousand soldiers (regardless of power) with two people. I mean, I'm sure they could do a massive blast, but going off what Gohan says in the fight against Cell, too big a ki attack could seriously damage the Earth.

Just a thought for the people concerned about strength comparisons. Personally, I love this army concept - it's nice to see some different characters in the spotlight, and it's pretty unique for the series (usually it's just one on one)!

[Polyphase Avatron]

Something just occurred to me about about the battle with Freeza's army.

Rather than a case of Goku/Vegeta not being able to defeat the army by themselves, what if Freeza tells his forces to go out and wreak havoc across Earth? Goku and Vegeta will be kept busy fighting Freeza, so the others have to step in and help protect the planet. And even if they weren't busy, it'd be hard to stop over a thousand soldiers (regardless of power) with two people. I mean, I'm sure they could do a massive blast, but going off what Gohan says in the fight against Cell, too big a ki attack could seriously damage the Earth.

Just a thought for the people concerned about strength comparisons. Personally, I love this army concept - it's nice to see some different characters in the spotlight, and it's pretty unique for the series (usually it's just one on one)!

I thought the same thing. I mean even with instant transmission Goku can't be everywhere at once.

[Low Tone G]

New scan from Shonengamez:

Spoiler:

Link: http://www.shonengamez.com/2015/03/05/n ... en-frieza/

So must we understand by that as Freeza acheived his Golden Evolution through training? I'm disappointed! Very disappointed! Disgusting! So it's also confirmed that the Golden form of Freeza is a God form too, as is hinted in that manga's title?

[Retan]

Betcha Freeza's even surprised by how much of an improvement this new evolution is. Maybe it's Beerus and Whis who announce him as a god, and decide they won't attack him because he is the one.... who will catch them all!!!!! I can't say that with straight face.


On a more serious note, it says of the Golden power will "IGNITE within him, and give birth to the true emperor of the universe." Hmmm. probably means nothing but still...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Vegeta attained SS by training. Goku attained SS2 and 3 off screen training, are they disgusting too?

[Birusu16]

Maybe the manga is referring to Whis. Would definitely love that considering we haven't gotten to see him do much of anything (combat wise).

[The Monkey King]

This movie slightly makes me wish that Coola never existed so we could get his transformation as Freeza's 'evolution'.
Although the Toriyama Defence Force here would probably say Golden Freeza still looks better than Coola's '5th form'

Toriyama has always gone with simplistic, sleek looks for "ultimate" forms. Or are we just going to pretend that Fr­ieza's fourth form and Perfect Cell are hulking monstrosities?

No one asked for a Hulking monstrosity, just something that isn't an eyesore in a bad way

"The creators are so unoriginal, it's not even that different from before! Now excuse me while I recolor these images of Super Saiyan 4 and Cooler's Fifth Form for SSJG and Freeza! Now THAT'S more like it!"

The only way to defend Freeza's Gold form is with strawman arguments, this is how we know it's awful.

[Birusu16]

I hated Freeza's new form at first, but little by little it's growing on me. Still don't like it by any means, but I don't absolutely detest it like I did when I first saw it. I do love the golden/fiery type of aura he's got in that form though.

[Low Tone G]

Vegeta attained SS by training. Goku attained SS2 and 3 off screen training, are they disgusting too?

No they are not, But Goku had to perform a ritual with his friends help to become a God himself... I don't really want Freeza to be an exception, just because he is a prodigy...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

But freeza isn't a God otherwise he would have been called God Freeza not Golden Freeza.

[snaku]

Vegeta attained SS by training. Goku attained SS2 and 3 off screen training, are they disgusting too?

Exactly, I can't believe people are getting this upset over Freeza not using some bs ritual or magical device to attain his true potential. Every time our heroes are faced with a challenge they can prepare for they train, and somehow this is unacceptable when a villain finally decides to do it? Not even Goku liked how he got godly ki, it wouldn't surprise me if he complements Freeza on his hard work in the film.

[Low Tone G]

Vegeta attained SS by training. Goku attained SS2 and 3 off screen training, are they disgusting too?

Exactly, I can't believe people are getting this upset over Freeza not using some bs ritual or magical device to attain his true potential. Every time our heroes are faced with a challenge they can prepare for they train, and somehow this is unacceptable when a villain finally decides to do it? Not even Goku liked how he got godly ki, it wouldn't surprise me if he complements Freeza on his hard work in the film.

Do you really want to compare Goku's hard work to Freeza's? When Freeza trained only 4 months in his life when Goku trains literally everytime. I would only accept Freeza to acheive the God status only if the conditions in he trains are somewhat Godly, magical or high-tech or somewhat supernatural, or so....

[Blade]

I would only accept Freeza to acheive the God status only if the conditions in he trains are somewhat Godly, magical or high-tech or somewhat supernatural, or so....

Which they surely will be, I mean heck, we already know that Freeza's army have a machine capable of putting him back together as a totally healthy being from tiny little pieces. It stands to reason that, therefore, other technical solutions will be at hand to do equally as lurid things.

[SSJGFrieza]

Do you really want to compare Goku's hard work to Freeza's? When Freeza trained only 4 months in his life when Goku trains literally everytime. I would only accept Freeza to acheive the God status only if the conditions in he trains are somewhat Godly, magical or high-tech or somewhat supernatural, or so....

The biggest powerup Goku ever got was from training for 5 days in 100X gravity. Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.

Plus Goku got his SSGJ power with help from Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan.

[snaku]

Do you really want to compare Goku's hard work to Freeza's? When Freeza trained only 4 months in his life when Goku trains literally everytime. I would only accept Freeza to acheive the God status only if the conditions in he trains are somewhat Godly, magical or high-tech or somewhat supernatural, or so....

The biggest powerup Goku ever got was from training for 5 days in 100X gravity. Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.

Plus Goku got his SSGJ power with help from Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan.

Not to mention all of the bs zenkai power ups the Saiyans get.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Considering that whatever Toriyama is drawing will tie in to the movie, I'm kind of surprised they have Toyotaro doing the other FnF manga. Seems like they would likely tie in together or something. Unless maybe Toriyama's is more Jaco related and ties him further in before his big screen debut?

Ha, that wacky Roshi. Sexual assault in a children's cartoon is so funny!

Yeah, and getting offended at a fictional case of it makes so much sense too.

Since I haven't said it before (I think), I may as well do so now. I don't like the idea of the henchmen army. Not only because it makes zero sense from an in-universe strength-related standpoint, but also because it is meaningless to the story. Dragon Ball has ALWAYS worked on the logic of "if you're too weak, don't even bother showing up, even in scores". That's been the justification for why they don't team up on the villains since at least the Daimao arc. There's no real point in letting Krillin and Tenshinhan have their little moments against the grunts, since these grunts can easily be dispatched at once with a single wave of the hand by Goku.

I honestly can't remember if you personally had stated it, but it wouldn't surprise me, and it's been brought up ad nauseam for a while now. Of course you don't like it though, cuz heaven forbid there be something from the new content you don't have some kind of issue with.

Giving 'little moments' to the background cast is certainly a more entertaining way for them to spend time in the movie than just having one of the bigger, stronger characters carelessly hand-wave their way through the army. Why anyone would actually prefer to see that, I will never understand.

[AvatarReiko]

. Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.

Goten, Trunks and Gohan were saiyan prodigies, who all mastered the legendary saiayn transformation before they were teenagers. The former two did it with ease and were able fight on par with 18, who is worlds above Freeza. People have to stop using this "prodigy" argument.