Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Dyno]

Training to increase your power is different than training to control your current power.

And Freeza's forms/transformations are specifically for this. That is where "training for 4 months" is not something totally acceptable from the beginning.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I like his base form, but that's about it. >_>

You wouldn't want to see his base form's hair...magenta colored?

Let me think about that, how about...

[Dyno]

Let me think about that, how about...

And add this again.

[Kakarot9001]

How would Toriyama design a Super Saiyan Devil? Hmm

[SSJ God Gogeta]

How would Toriyama design a Super Saiyan Devil? Hmm

He wouldn't...

[Kakarot9001]

How would Toriyama design a Super Saiyan Devil? Hmm

He wouldn't...

Why?

[Beerus-sama]

+more Beerus (meow)

meow?
I would love if he say nya at some point tbh xD

As for Broly, I never liked him, he was just bad, and his design as lssj is horrible.

[fadeddreams5]

and his desigh as lssj is horrible.

How dare you. He's beautiful:

[Bullza]

I would like Broly to be the main antagonist in the 3rd movie and show his new form Legendary Super Saiyan Devil

That would be AWESOME!

[bleed0range]

There comes a point where you run out of things to explore. Aliens, time travel, space, heaven/hell, gods, magical beings, mind control, fusions, coming-of-age tales, exploring the main character becoming a father and how he deals with his son (Goku/Saiyan arc), it even touched on the super hero motif with Great Saiyaman. Seriously, there was still some new stuff to do in the Buu arc... but it's all kind of been done now.

None of that was necessary though. The story could have been wrapped up at either of those points and what had already been told would be fine.

You're making it sound as if everything that is happening in these new films doesn't qualify as "something new to be explored", like they've already somehow happened. Gods of destruction weren't explored before. Righteous ki coming together to form divine ki wasn't explored before. Vegeta finally being a legitimate good guy wasn't explored before. Goku losing a fight, nobody saving the day in his stead, and the villain sparing everyone anyway, wasn't explored before.

Or perhaps rather than saying "these things have already been explored", you're saying "these things didn't need to be explored", to which I could reply that the same could be said about aliens, gods, cyborgs, time travel, the afterlife, mind control, fatherhood, fusion, and superheroes.

Actually, I'm saying both. For the most part. It's true you could have ended the story at a lot of points, but the difference is there was more to explore that had yet to be done at this points and it has now. Gods of destruction were not explored, but as cool as that is it doesn't really add that much new to the storyline that can "top" what came before it. Goku actually has lost before. You could even say he lost to Cell since he couldn't beat him and Gohan was chosen to defeat Cell in his stead. Basically still the same difference. So less impact for that being the case. I mean even the Earth has been completely destroyed before. That escalation was part of what made continuing the series from those points continually interesting and worthwhile. They continued to shock the audience with new things for the characters to do. I mean yes, you can continue the story and introduce new characters but it's going to be nigh impossible to top where the manga left off at. Which is the point here.

That being said, the one thing I do agree that was worth exploring that wasn't in the manga would be Vegeta AFTER he full-on became a good guy. But that now has kind of been done. The only thing left would be for him to be the hero, which may be the case here. That was kind of explored in Buu with his acceptance of the limitation of his power and helping in a lesser role and not HAVING to be the most powerful person and save the day... but it's true, we've yet to see him able to be the lead character to win the day. It would be nice to see him have the chance to do that. He also hasn't really explored the possibility of Vegeta finally surpassing Goku somehow.

So yeah, there's a few things left in the tank but not nearly as much as there was. Which was my point. Herms also was correct to point out that there isn't much else to do in terms of designs that could top what has come before.

It'll never be as good as it was, basically. We can either accept that or not. The best parts of Dragon Ball have already been done... but we can have more if we can just accept it can't be nearly as good as it was.

@bleed0range: Even just sticking with character designs and not getting into story elements, I do feel like the original series was a pretty hard act to follow. I mean, while I've never been a huge Freeza fan, for my money Freeza's fourth form is one of the best designs Toriyama's ever come up with. Coola's fifth form just doesn't hold a candle, and even Freeza's bulky 100% full power upgrade kind of ruins it for me. So the odds that anything Toriyama could come up these days would feel like an actual improvement were slim to none from the outset. With that in mind, his "change as little as possible" approach with Golden Freeza feels like a canny move...even if the logical endpoint of this train of thought is that it would have been even better to keep Freeza exactly the same. Actually, maybe the joke people had going for a while that Freeza's "new form" was simply that the big jelly bean in his chest was now white instead of purple wasn't such a bad idea.

Likewise with Super Saiyan God, coming up with any new Super Saiyan form after all this time seems like a recipe for disaster. The original Super Saiyan design was probably Toriyama's "less is more" and "easiest is best" approach at its most brilliant: hardly anything about Goku changes, yet he still looks completely different. There was pretty much no way of getting lightning in a bottle like that again. Even the variations in the main series seem pretty gimmicky in comparison: "more muscles! more sparks! more hair than you ever thought possible!" Super Saiyan 4 (not designed by Toriyama, I know) looks cool, but half of why it works is because the fairly complex design sets it apart from the relatively simple Super Saiyan transformations that came before it, and the other half is because the "monkey" aspect of the Saiyans had been neglected for so long that bringing it back made a big impression. If Toriyama had made Super Saiyan God complex like that, or with the same monkey elements, it wouldn't have seemed half as cool (and indeed, Yamamuro's original "beefy guy in cape" design sounds terrible, though obviously it's hard to judge without any actual pictures). So it made sense for him to stick with something simple, but simple had also been done before. It's hard to beat out Ultimate Gohan in the "transformations that change as little as possible" department. In the end we got something that's probably better than the blasted "cape" thing, gold Super Saiyan 4s, or anything convoluted like that, but still doesn't quite feel new enough. The best thing it has going for it is how it actually makes Goku skinnier and younger-looking, which isn't something we'd really gotten with a Saiyan transformation before, and helps set it apart from the Kaio-ken, which it otherwise resembles far too much. But for reasons quite outside my understanding, that's the aspect a lot of fans seem to hate most about it.

Bottom line I guess is that while Golden Freeza and Super Saiyan God aren't some of Toriyama's better designs, all the best designs had already been used up in the main series, and they still look 14 trillion times better than most of the fan mock-ups. Although I will say: tracksuit Gohan looks as good as any Gohan we've had so far.

(The fact that Beerus and Whis look amazing should go without saying, but they're also not new forms of preexisting things like Golden Freeza and Super Saiyan God, so it was probably easier to break new ground with them. I mean, if Freeza's new form looked like Whis, and Super Saiyan God looked like Beerus...well, that would be kind of amazing, but would probably also be too big of a non-sequitur even for Toriyama.)

I agree with pretty much everything you said here. It's going to be difficult to top what came before. But I LOVE Gohan's tracksuit hair style and the sly nod that it may have inspired Pan's later style or some such thing.

[Kaboom]

Less random unrelated nonsense, please.

[Chuquita]

Re: Beerus

I want to see him do more cat-like things at the start of this movie (meow/nya~). The ones that were in BOG were great. X3
Actually, after having seen cats' love of boxes--regardless of the box's size and shape--I kind of want to see him doing one of those dash-slides into a box which somehow can hold him despite his size. X3 (Maybe Gokû and Vegeta are unpacking after moving in to Beerus and Whis' place and Beerus decides to investigate the unpacked empty boxes; hopping from one to the other in the background of a scene).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdhLQCYQ-nQ

Re: Brolli with the magenta?

No I prefer him with the green hair; he is Broccoli after all. Also, lime green and magenta are opposites on the color wheel; it's actually fitting imo that he and Gokû have opposing color schemes for their ultimate forms.

[SSJGFrieza]

Broly is one of the worst things to ever happen to DB

[Dyno]

Broly is one of the worst things to ever happen to DB

As much as I like this line, and already liked you. Let's stop talking about him, shall we? Seriously... Please. He is unrelated, totally nonsense to bring that thing here.

[fadeddreams5]

Broly is one of the worst things to ever happen to DB

Come on, brah. This isn't the place to discuss Broly:

Spoiler:

Less random unrelated nonsense, please.

YOU'RE OUT OF CONTROL!!!

[TheGmGoken]

Re: Beerus

I want to see him do more cat-like things at the start of this movie (meow/nya~). The ones that were in BOG were great. X3
Actually, after having seen cats' love of boxes--regardless of the box's size and shape--I kind of want to see him doing one of those dash-slides into a box which somehow can hold him despite his size. X3 (Maybe Gokû and Vegeta are unpacking after moving in to Beerus and Whis' place and Beerus decides to investigate the unpacked empty boxes; hopping from one to the other in the background of a scene).

Re: Brolli with the magenta?

No I prefer him with the green hair; he is Broccoli after all. Also, lime green and magenta are opposites on the color wheel; it's actually fitting imo that he and Gokû have opposing color schemes for their ultimate forms.

I know Cats are not milk drinkers but. Would you love if Beerus drinks milk and meows or purs? I know it's a serious movie but that would make me actually like Beerus(sorry not a fan)

[bleed0range]

I'll never understand the desire to bring Brolly back for more since he is such a one-note character who has nothing else to give us. He is basically a mindless hulk of a character who's only thing to contribute is KA-KA-ROT!!!! It's not like he is super deep or anything. He was cool yeah, like the first time and that's it. The other times were already overkill.

[Dyno]

I have seen Karin doing cat things for long enough. Bills would just be a bonus.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Broly is one of the worst things to ever happen to DB

Hardly. The guy's popularity has probably brought in a fair bit of money over the years. Figures, DVDs, his inclusion in almost every recent fighting game; like him or hate him, I'd say he's a pretty valuable part of the franchise.

Anyway, the movie...

EDIT: Woops, just read the above posts. Can't delete it now, though.

[fadeddreams5]

Would you love if Beerus drinks mick and meows or purs?

Who's Mick? This sounds sadistic.