The strongest earthling

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

For example, if Tenshinhan do something more impressive than Kuririn in this movie, will you still think the word of Toriyama/Yamcha should be taken at face value; will you overlook it; or try to find ways to make the claim have another meaning?

We could just conclude:

Krillin > Tenshinhan in the Android arc, Cell arc, and Buu arc

Tenshinhan > Krillin in Revival of F

[Hitiro]

I don't understand what you are trying to say, really. It's not like we are talking about some other kind of power rather than battle power itself.

It's very clear in the sentence. It says Gohan's power when he fights is greater than that of pure Saiyans when they fight. If you think Goku and Vegeta are included in the sentence, you have an issue, because now Goku wields a power greater than that of Gohan, when it comes to fight. Vegeta might prove his worth against Freeza, just looking forward to it.

So, these Kuririn's and Gohan's entries should be taken with a grain of salt, imo.

No, it says "a power" Gohan wields. A singular element that is superior to the pure Saiyan's. Like a power wielded by Boo is a candy beam that can turn people into candy. So literally if we were to word it it would be "Boo wields a power to turn people into candy." Do you see a similarity here? If the sentence was merely on about strength it would have been worded like "When it comes time to fight, Gohan's power surpasses that of the pure Saiyan's." yet the text clearly words it like "When it comes time to fight, Gohan wields a power that surpasses that of the pure Saiyan's" I don't see why you can't see this. The "Mystic" transformation is the power Gohan wields here. And yes, it surpasses that of the pure Saiyan's because they must rely on the SSJ transformations. I think Goku and Vegeta are included because they both have SSJ transformations. Therefore they fall under the same category. Hence why it says pure Saiyans and not just Goku.

[Hugo Boss]

We could just conclude:

Krillin > Tenshinhan in the Android arc, Cell arc, and Buu arc

Tenshinhan > Krillin in Revival of F

I mean, if the same entry is repeated in a sequel of "Revival of F", like in Gohan's example.

"When it comes time to fight, Gohan's power surpasses that of the pure Saiyan's."
"When it comes time to fight, Gohan wields a power that surpasses that of the pure Saiyan's"

Honestly, I still don't see the difference. Someone else could clarify it, please. Maybe I'm having an English issue. I'm almost sure both ways are worded like a generic (in other words, not direct) strength comparison.

Curiously, Herms used the term "surpass" in the Battle of Gods' Official Thread:

Spoiler:

Gohan’s said to have “power surpassing even that of a pure Saiyan”.

And maybe I forgot to point something, even if Gohan's entry doesn't make sense at all, it doesn't mean I should disregard what they say about Kuririn. It is just that the context may make them seem completely off.

[sayian_nation_]

I would say Tien in the Dragonball series was much much much stronger than Kuririn hands down. Kuririn stepped his game up when DBZ came about. I say they are about even or Kuririn mostly coming out on top with Tien below him in the ranks.

[Sandubadear]

I always used to think that, while Tien has better techniques, Krillin is stronger in brute strength. Unlike Saiyans, Humans/earthlings have limits, so it doesn't matter that Tien keeps training. The Grand Elder made Krillin reach the top Earthling limit using his voodoo, while god knows how many years of training it would take to Tien reach the limit.

[Logan]

I have no qualms with Kuririn being the strongest human. However, I think Ten likely surpassed Kuririn after he settled down.

[jcogginsa]

Technically, the strongest Earthling wouldn't be Tien or Krillin. 17 and 18 are modified humans, and thus Earthlings. Both are stronger. Cell is also technically an earthling, and thus he's the strongest.

If you count BoG as canon, then Uub is the strongest given his showings against post SSJG base Goku

[Dyno]

If you count BoG as canon, then Uub is the strongest given his showings against post SSJG base Goku

Uub is the strongest with or without these new movies. They only show and put Uub in a far beyond level than the others.

[jcogginsa]

Eh, since his only canon fight is a base Goku not going all out, i'd be comfortable saying he's weaker than Cell prior to the BoG revelation

[rereboy]

Technically, the strongest Earthling wouldn't be Tenshinhan or Krillin. 17 and 18 are modified humans, and thus Earthlings. Both are stronger. Cell is also technically an earthling, and thus he's the strongest.

If you count BoG as canon, then Uub is the strongest given his showings against post SSJG base Goku

If you want to go down that route, Gohan is also technically an Earthling, since he was born and raised on Earth and even his DNA is 50% human.

[Sandubadear]

And Piccolo is also an Earthling, since he was born on Earth.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

The only people who go for the "Oh well Gohan's an earthling too! So are 17 and 18! and Piccolo!" in an attempt to discredit the statement or imply that the statement should not include Tenshinhan are the ones who have no argument, lol. Tenshinhan's clearly only earthling. There's no indication in the manga that he's an alien of some sort, or that anyone thinks of him as something besides an Earthling.

[jcogginsa]

17 and 18 are also only earthlings. 16 too. And Uub. None of them have any non earth native DNA.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

#17 and #18 are Cyborgs, #16 is an artificial human. Uub doesn't have actual power, otherwise he'd accidentally kill everyone in the preliminaries. He only has a lot of potential, which is shown when he gets angry.

But out of curiosity, do you believe Toriyama was saying that Krillin was > #17 and #18? Or are you using the term "earthling" in a way that tries to refute Tenshinhan being included in his statement?

[jcogginsa]

Did Toriyama make a statement in an interview or are you talking about Yamcha saying Krillin was the strongest

There are several different definitions of Earthling.

There's using Earthling to mean Human without modifications. By this logic Tien is the most powerful human, though he's not baseline cause 3rd eye (then again Krillin's got no nose)

There's using Earthling to mean any human period. By this measure, 17 is strongest.

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native without Alien ancestry. The strongest here is Android 16

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native who's not Half Saiyan. By this logic, Cell is strongest Earthling (he's not really half saiyan. He's basically his own species that is descended from them)

There's using Earthling to mean anyone born on Earth. By that logic the strongest character is Gohan.

Personally, i use the 3rd definition

[Dyno]

Uub doesn't have actual power, otherwise he'd accidentally kill everyone in the preliminaries.

What? Kakarot vs Uub is right at the beginning. There was no need to advance for them to fight.

[jcogginsa]

Uub doesn't have actual power, otherwise he'd accidentally kill everyone in the preliminaries.

What? Kakarot vs Uub is right at the beginning. There was no need to advance for them to fight.

That was a tournament fight. gotta make it through prelims for those. Unless they kept the punching machine

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Did Toriyama make a statement in an interview or are you talking about Yamcha saying Krillin was the strongest

There are several different definitions of Earthling.

There's using Earthling to mean Human without modifications. By this logic Tenshinhan is the most powerful human, though he's not baseline cause 3rd eye (then again Krillin's got no nose)

There's using Earthling to mean any human period. By this measure, 17 is strongest.

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native without Alien ancestry. The strongest here is Android 16

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native who's not Half Saiyan. By this logic, Cell is strongest Earthling (he's not really half saiyan. He's basically his own species that is descended from them)

There's using Earthling to mean anyone born on Earth. By that logic the strongest character is Gohan.

Personally, i use the 3rd definition

Earthlings largely divided into three varieties: human, animal, and monster. There exist sharp-minded people, people who have unique attacks, people with distinctive abilities, and the like.

Human-type Earthling: The most numerous kind of Earthling, the general human type. They mostly have no unique powers, but there are also some who have acquired exceptional abilities. There are those like Bulma and Dr. Brief who possess brilliant intelligence, those like Yajirobe who have great battle potential, those like Uranai Baba who have mysterious powers, and the like.

The Earthling martial artists that came to fight alongside Goku throughout the long story. There are those who challenge their limits, those who fight for honor, and the like.

The "Earthling" definition that Yamcha and Toriyama are most likely referring to, are the human type earthlings. It seems pretty safe to say #17 would most likely not fall under this category since he is a Cyborg, no? Nor would Gohan, since he is a Saiyan?

Unless you believe Toriyama is saying that Krillin is now stronger than Android #17 and #18? And Gohan? And Piccolo? Or do you believe he's only referencing human-only (no modifications) earthlings?

What? Kakarot vs Uub is right at the beginning. There was no need to advance for them to fight.

Not 1st match, preliminaries, like all those 1 minute rounds to decide who makes it into the actual tournament.

[Dyno]

Oh, got it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[jcogginsa]

Did Toriyama make a statement in an interview or are you talking about Yamcha saying Krillin was the strongest

There are several different definitions of Earthling.

There's using Earthling to mean Human without modifications. By this logic Tenshinhan is the most powerful human, though he's not baseline cause 3rd eye (then again Krillin's got no nose)

There's using Earthling to mean any human period. By this measure, 17 is strongest.

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native without Alien ancestry. The strongest here is Android 16

There's using Earthling to mean any earth native who's not Half Saiyan. By this logic, Cell is strongest Earthling (he's not really half saiyan. He's basically his own species that is descended from them)

There's using Earthling to mean anyone born on Earth. By that logic the strongest character is Gohan.

Personally, i use the 3rd definition

Earthlings largely divided into three varieties: human, animal, and monster. There exist sharp-minded people, people who have unique attacks, people with distinctive abilities, and the like.

Human-type Earthling: The most numerous kind of Earthling, the general human type. They mostly have no unique powers, but there are also some who have acquired exceptional abilities. There are those like Bulma and Dr. Brief who possess brilliant intelligence, those like Yajirobe who have great battle potential, those like Uranai Baba who have mysterious powers, and the like.

The Earthling martial artists that came to fight alongside Goku throughout the long story. There are those who challenge their limits, those who fight for honor, and the like.

The "Earthling" definition that Yamcha and Toriyama are most likely referring to, are the human type earthlings. It seems pretty safe to say #17 would most likely not fall under this category since he is a Cyborg, no? Nor would Gohan, since he is a Saiyan?

Unless you believe Toriyama is saying that Krillin is now stronger than Android #17 and #18? And Gohan? And Piccolo? Or do you believe he's only referencing human-only (no modifications) earthlings?

What? Kakarot vs Uub is right at the beginning. There was no need to advance for them to fight.

Not 1st match, preliminaries, like all those 1 minute rounds to decide who makes it into the actual tournament.

Did Toriyama himself ever comment that Krillin was the strongest Earthling? Context is important. If it's an in story statement, who says it and to whom does that person say it too.

As for Earthlings, 17 and 18 would be considered Human type Earthlings as both are human (They were modified yes, but born and raised as Human)