Best Freeza dub voice?

[rereboy]

By talking about the nuances of the performance like we do with any other comparison.

"You see the way she laughs? I prefer that. You see the way she screams? I prefer that. You see the frequency of her voice? I prefer that. Etc"

How does that help? It doesn't really add anything more than what he already said...

[Ajay]

"You see the way she laughs? I prefer that. You see the way she screams? I prefer that. You see the frequency of her voice? I prefer that. Etc"

How does that help? It doesn't really add anything more than what he already said...

If you present it that superficially, of course it offers nothing else. That's not what I'm asking for.

I can tell you precisely why I like Nakao over anyone else. The way his voice cracks as he seethes with rage is almost like an infant's tantrum. It's such a perfect way to convey how spoilt and entitled Freeza really is.

You can hear the condescension in the menacing laugh. His tone only emphasises his aristocratic nature. These all come together to realise Toriyama's intentions for the character.

I want to understand how Linda Young's nuances in any way support the character in Toriyama's manga.

If someone can't expand on their opinion like that, how am I meant to understand their point of view. Otherwise, I'm falling back on 'yeah, they probably like it since it's what they're used to'. Which is fine, too, but at least I understand where they're coming from.

[Sandubadear]

I love Brazilian Freeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LOpP6LOf5Y

[rereboy]

If you present it that superficially, of course it offers nothing else. That's not what I'm asking for.

I can tell you precisely why I like Nakao over anyone else. The way his voice cracks as he seethes with rage is almost like an infant's tantrum. It's such a perfect way to convey how spoilt and entitled Freeza really is.

You can hear the condescension in the menacing laugh. His tone only emphasises his aristocratic nature. These all come together to realise Toriyama's intentions for the character.

I want to understand how Linda Young's nuances in any way support the character in Toriyama's manga.

If someone can't expand on their opinion like that, how am I meant to understand their point of view. Otherwise, I'm falling back on 'yeah, they probably like it since it's what they're used to'. Which is fine, too, but at least I understand where they're coming from.

Preferring a certain voice for Freeza is not an intellectual activity in which you can use arguments to stress certain points. Its true that he can have a very specific reason for preferring Linda, but he might just honestly prefer her voice over others.

In you wanna go down that route, then you might as well demand that someone explains to you why someone prefers vanilla over chocolate, when you prefer chocolate. That person might have a very specific reason to prefer Vanilla, like it somehow reminds that person of something of the past, or that person can just prefer the flavor. And that person can try to explain to you how the vanilla flavor perfectly complements the icy temperature of an ice cream, how it makes that person feel when its in the mouth, how the flavor is just "softer" but still sweet in a way that that person just can't get enough of it, how chocolate just doesn't give that person the same satisfaction... And that won't help you one bit because its completely subjective.

Everything you just said regarding Nakao, someone else might disagree. And to that someone else, your explanation ends up being pretty much as useless as the guy explaining why he prefers vanilla over chocolate to someone who prefers chocolate.

I also notice that people somehow don't demand that other people "make them understand their opinion" when their opinion matches the accepted norm.

[Ajay]

What? That is a worthless comparison. What on earth are you trying to get at?

We're on a Dragon Ball forum; asking someone to explain their contrary views is not unusual. This isn't about objectivity vs. subjectivity, I'm beyond confused as to why you're bringing that up. If someone explains why they like a flavour of ice cream to me in that manner, then of course that helps me understand. How could it not? What has subjectivity got to do with that?

My Nakao example explains why I like that character. I used it as a way to explain how I'd like to see opinions of Linda Young presented. It's simple reasoning behind an opinion, and expecting that on a forum is a norm. Why would it matter if someone disagreed? At least they understand my point of view. You are making absolutely zero sense. Honestly, none whatsoever. I do not understand what your issue is with wanting to further understand another's point of view.

People don't question a norm because they already understand it. People want reasons behind the abnormal. How is that hard to understand?

Not everyone is accepting of presenting opinions in a shallow, baseless manner. I'm not going to apologise for wanting to further understand a view point.

[fadeddreams5]

I can see someone preferring Linda Young on the basis of how the voice fits the actual appearance of the character. Nobody started watching the anime with expectations of how Frieza should be portrayed, as nobody read the manga in the US before watching the dub. Linda Young makes the character sound more sinister, imo, albeit feminine.

That said, Chris Ayres' VA, combined with the new dialogue, gave the character a type of finesse, sophistication, and intelligence that I just adore. I like how Young's Frieza and Ayres' Frieza are very different.

[KaiserNeko]

This is a social area of discussion. When an opinion is stated, especially one that could be considered controversial or unusual, it is not uncommon for said opinion to be questioned. There's nothing wrong with this, nor is there anything necessarily wrong with denying any explanation of one's opinion. Sure, it doesn't make for much discussion, but one's personal involvement is their choice.

[Plague-Memories]

The Blue Water dub Freeza gave me cancer. Ayres is the obvious choice here. He has the character down pat.

[thomas1up]

Just thought I'd say, that Malaysian English Freeza is just a what-if/impression(?).

Here's what Freeza actually sounded like (from movie 12): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGLgZ5 ... e=youtu.be

[Big Momma]

A lot of people in this thread simply said they liked Ayres without giving any explanation as to why. I don't see why SSJGFreeza would have to. I mean, he does have an opinion that goes against what most people think, and I genuinely am interested in hearing why he prefers Young, but I wouldn't say they should any more than the people who chimed in with little more than "I prefer Ayres" .


That said,I prefer Aryes.

[ABED]

I can see someone preferring Linda Young on the basis of how the voice fits the actual appearance of the character. Nobody started watching the anime with expectations of how Freeza should be portrayed, as nobody read the manga in the US before watching the dub. Linda Young makes the character sound more sinister, imo, albeit feminine.<br abp="780"><br abp="781">That said, Chris Ayres' VA, combined with the new dialogue, gave the character a type of finesse, sophistication, and intelligence that I just adore. I like how Young's Freeza and Ayres' Freeza are very different.

She doesn't sound menacing at all, she sounds like someone trying to act menacing. It doesn't matter that people don't know how Freeza should be portrayed, Toriyama wrote it a specific way and drew it a certain way, so the adaptation should stick close. The writers characterized Freeza very differently, and hired an actress that didn't fit and is not that talented.

By the way Rereboy, I didn't demand an explanation, I simply asked why. This isn't a subjective vs. objective debate. It's Coke vs. Pepsi.

[Ajay]

A lot of people in this thread simply said they liked Ayres without giving any explanation as to why. I don't see why SSJGFreeza would have to. I mean, he does have an opinion that goes against what most people think, and I genuinely am interested in hearing why he prefers Young, but I wouldn't say they should any more than the people who chimed in with little more than "I prefer Ayres".

He doesn't have to. I'm not demanding anything. I'm not a huge fan of the lack of explanation from others who've picked Ayres, either - but I do understand their viewpoint, at least. I'm not massively interested in hearing more, as a result.

Again, I don't think I've once said he has to do anything. I've simply explained why and how I'd like to hear more, and why it's not unreasonable to expect more. For some reason rereboy has taken this as some sort of cardinal sin.

[rereboy]

By the way Rereboy, I didn't demand an explanation, I simply asked why. This isn't a subjective vs. objective debate. It's Coke vs. Pepsi.

If I told you I liked Pepsi, and you liked Coke, would you ask me why I like Pepsi instead of Coke and expect a response that actually made you understand my point of view?

Its just one of those things that I really don't think that can really be explained. I mean, I could have a very specific reason for it, like maybe it reminds of someone or something, but other than that, I don't see how it could.

Regarding voices for a character, I believe its basically the same. Its not as basic, but its perfectly comparable. We either have a very specific reason for it, like nostalgia or something like that, or we just prefer it. Sure, we can try to explain it... "I think the voice fits better", "I like the voice better", "I prefer the way that voice actor does this". But aren't those explanations like me trying to say that "I think pepsi tastes better", "I prefer the quantity of gas of a pepsi", and so on. Seems rather pointless to me, especially when only the unpopular opinions are asked to be explained, but ok.

He doesn't have to. I'm not demanding anything. I'm not a huge fan of the lack of explanation from others who've picked Ayres, either - but I do understand their viewpoint, at least. I'm not massively interested in hearing more, as a result.

Again, I don't think I've once said he has to do anything. I've simply explained why and how I'd like to hear more, and why it's not unreasonable to expect more. For some reason rereboy has taken this as some sort of cardinal sin.

I used demand as a figure of speech. If you feel more comfortable, I'll rephrase it to "asked to" or other equivalent phrasing. Its no biggie. There's no need to take offense by my posts, I never post with that intent.

I didn't imply that it was a cardinal sin or anything of the sort. I just don't get what you hope that he'll say that will make you understand his opinion. My example was an attempt at a demonstration of how something like that won't provide you with satisfying responses. The example was deliberately exaggerated but I disagree with them not being comparable. IMO, they are tremendously comparable, like I stated above.

[Kid Buu]

I really have to be honest and say that I was never opposed to Linda Young. Of all my complaints, her actual voice was the absolute least of my problems. With proper dub scripts and good direction, I'd have been perfectly fine with her.!

I agree, and since the thread is asking just for voice, I'm gonna go ahead and vote for her.

[fadeddreams5]

She doesn't sound menacing at all, she sounds like someone trying to act menacing.

I found her laugh sinister.

It doesn't matter that people don't know how Freeza should be portrayed, Toriyama wrote it a specific way and drew it a certain way, so the adaptation should stick close.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't. I meant in regards to people's opinions. A lot of people don't know what the original author's intention for Frieza was, so it doesn't influence their opinion of Linda Young's portrayal.

hired an actress that didn't fit and is not that talented.

Damn. =0

[Super Sonic]

hired an actress that didn't fit and is not that talented.

Damn. =0

Seems somebody never watched Fairy Tail or YYH. And her Baba was good.

[ABED]

hired an actress that didn't fit and is not that talented.

Damn. =0

Seems somebody never watched Fairy Tail or YYH. And her Baba was good.

Her Baba was okay, but it's in large part because it's an over the top character and performance. Young isn't good with subtle, nuanced, or relatively normal. I have watched YYH, and I don't think her Genkai is nearly as good as it's given credit for. Hell, I don't think Cook's Yusuke is nearly as good as it's given credit for.

would you ask me why I like Pepsi instead of Coke and expect a response that actually made you understand my point of view?

Yes, you could answer that you liked Pepsi because it's sweeter.

[El Diabeetus]

Ayres, it doesn't even come close. Lee Tockar may be just as good. But we shall not know until it airs. Ayres embodies the qualities that make Freeza, Freeza. He sounds like a flamboyant, calm evil (until he loses his temper), aristocrat that is a spoiled, whiny entitled brat. Who also is quite verbose. Those are all qualities Nakao has and should be standard. His tone is near identical to Nakao (as far as actors in 2 different languages can be anyway). If Ayres used a voice inbetween the pitch of the first/fourth and second. He'd pretty much sound like Nakao in English.

Young's, if you like it that's cool. I just hate it though. It's not Freeza to me. If they bring her back for Revival of F, I won't watch the dub. Either that or I will entirely redub Freeza myself if that is the case.

The fan Freeza that was posted is Pgirts, he does Freeza in ConfusedPhantom's dubs.

I like the Brasilian (Z/Kai) and Latino Freeza's a lot.

[rereboy]

Yes, you could answer that you liked Pepsi because it's sweeter.

Which won't help you because, if you prefer coke, you will either don't agree that Pepsi is sweeter or you will prefer drinks with less sugar or some other reason. It will be the same for voices. And all that can be summarized with tasting better or feeling better to that person. I don't see what we gained from that answer. Like I said, seems rather pointless to me. Especially when only the unpopular opinions are questioned.

[Ajay]

Yes, you could answer that you liked Pepsi because it's sweeter.

Which won't help you because, if you prefer coke, you will either don't agree or prefer drinks with less sugar or some other reason. It will be the same for voices.

You seem to think this is about swaying people or agreeing and disagreeing. It's not.

It helps because now he understands why you feel that way about Pepsi. That is all there is to it.

This asinine conversation has stemmed from someone wanting to understand a viewpoint. That. is. it.

I cannot even put into words at how baffled I am that this isn't abundantly clear from the numerous posts that have been made on this subject already.

I am doing my very best to remain calm with you, but at this point, I am seriously struggling to work out how to make this any clearer.