Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[WittyUsername]

I don't think that's quite the same thing. Gohan killing Cell was originally meant to signify Gohan becoming Earth's new protector. That's why Toriyama originally wanted to have Goku stay dead, that was meant to be Goku passing the torch over to his son.

so... Goku has to win to every mayor villian so that him training Oob make sense?

That's not actually what I was trying to say...

[Beerus-sama]

I don't think that's quite the same thing. Gohan killing Cell was originally meant to signify Gohan becoming Earth's new protector. That's why Toriyama originally wanted to have Goku stay dead, that was meant to be Goku passing the torch over to his son.

so... Goku has to win to every mayor villian so that him training Oob make sense?

That's not actually what I was trying to say...

Then explain yourself please since I'm not getting your point.

[supersaiyan DbZ fan]

I wish Gohan wasn't so dummed down, from the end of Z and into GT (i like GT) , and now this movie, I just wish for once, he could be as badass as when he fought Super buu
btw, I'm not saying this movie is bad in any way, loving an' accepting all the new DB content!

[WittyUsername]

Then explain yourself please since I'm not getting your point.[/quote][/quote]

It's not just the situation with Oob. During the final fight against Boo, Vegeta had supposedly come to the conclusion that he would never be able to truly surpass Goku, and the point was that he was willing to finally accept that. Making Vegeta the most powerful fighter in the series doesn't really sit well with me. That's obviously not what Toriyama had originally intended when he ended the manga.

[sintzu]

I wish Gohan wasn't so dummed down, from the end of Z and into GT (i like GT) , and now this movie, I just wish for once, he could be as badass as when he fought Super buu
btw, I'm not saying this movie is bad in any way, loving an' accepting all the new DB content!

Until someone from Toie or Toriyama say he'll never be that way again then there's still a chance he might in an upcoming movie especially if Goku dies at the end of this one.

Vegeta had supposedly come to the conclusion that he would never be able to truly surpass Goku, and the point was that he was willing to finally accept that.

He accepted that Goku was a better person then him and it was the reason that he was stronger then him.

He never said he couldn't surpass him by changing the way he lives and thinks.

[dbzfan7]

I wish Gohan wasn't so dummed down, from the end of Z and into GT (i like GT) , and now this movie, I just wish for once, he could be as badass as when he fought Super buu
btw, I'm not saying this movie is bad in any way, loving an' accepting all the new DB content!

Well they're not interested in any kind of development for him. They've moved on. They don't care to develop his family life. They don't care to develop his scholar goal. They don't care to develop him as a protector. Really all they care to use him for is extracting ideas to give to Goku and Vegeta, jobbing to make the bad guys look good, and then cheering someone on. So essentially the same role every person ever has who's not Goku. Though in this case Vegeta too now. If you like Piccolo there may be hope for him. I really hope he at least gets a big role somehow. Piccolo is awesome. His voice actor seemed to hint something for Piccolo, but it could just be something so small it hardly matters. As of now I expect everything to go the movie 3 route. If Gohan and Piccolo are down, then no one but Goku and Vegeta can handle the mooks.

[sintzu]

If Gohan and Piccolo are down, then no one but Goku and Vegeta can handle the mooks.

I think it's safe to say the other Z fighters will take care of Freeza's men.

[Low Tone G]

I wish Gohan wasn't so dummed down, from the end of Z and into GT (i like GT) , and now this movie, I just wish for once, he could be as badass as when he fought Super buu
btw, I'm not saying this movie is bad in any way, loving an' accepting all the new DB content!

Until someone from Toie or Toriyama say he'll never be that way again then there's still a chance he might in an upcoming movie especially if Goku dies at the end of this one.

Vegeta had supposedly come to the conclusion that he would never be able to truly surpass Goku, and the point was that he was willing to finally accept that.

He accepted that Goku was a better person then him and it was the reason that he was stronger then him.

He never said he couldn't surpass him by changing the way he lives and thinks.

But he did. Vegeta right out said that Goku will always be with on step beyond him. Not only because he loves his friends and his family, but he is something more that Vegeta could ever become a fighting genius. But Goku isn't perfect either. For Vegeta to win his single major battle in his life it doesn't really mean the final conclusion that Vegeta surpassed Goku. Maybe Goku will let himself to Freeza to have a fun not expecting that Freeza will be able to power up and surpass him. So that would be a character development for him. I highly doubt that this will be the final movie if this movie is right out labeled as a despair.... There is still 5 years till EoZ. And another movie can take place right after this one.

[Beerus-sama]

Then explain yourself please since I'm not getting your point.

It's not just the situation with Oob. During the final fight against Boo, Vegeta had supposedly come to the conclusion that he would never be able to truly surpass Goku, and the point was that he was willing to finally accept that. Making Vegeta the most powerful fighter in the series doesn't really sit well with me. That's obviously not what Toriyama had originally intended when he ended the manga.

Vegeta saying that Goku is the number one doesn't means that he concluded he would never be able to surpass Goku and he gave up on trying to be better than him. That would have been sad imo.

He just accepted it and wont feel bad of himself for not being as strong as Goku, and he clearly is still trying to be better than him and thats why he is there with Goku training with Whis in the movie.
Also, he isn't the strongest fighter in the series, that titles goes for Beerus (or Whis if you wish,but since we haven't seen Whis fight...)

But he did. Vegeta right out said that Goku will always be with on step beyond him. Not only because he loves his friends and his family, but he is something more that Vegeta could ever become a fighting genius.

Now I remember why that speech of Vegeta was sad, it did sounded like he gave up on trying
Thanks god it wasn't the case

[dbzfan7]

If Gohan and Piccolo are down, then no one but Goku and Vegeta can handle the mooks.

I think it's safe to say the other Z fighters will take care of Freeza's men.

If Gohan and Piccolo can't win, no way in hell Krillin, Roshi, and Tenshinhan can. That means that Goku and Vegeta will have to save them or they'll perish. Which would then repeat Movie 3 where we got the humans to fight just like in this movie, only for all of them to be beaten down. Goku then proceeds to beat all the mooks down easily, and makes everyone else look like a waste of time.

[FortuneSSJ]

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Lazuli should have talked about why their daughter doesn't grow up. That would be interesting to read.

[Marco Polo]

If Gohan and Piccolo are down, then no one but Goku and Vegeta can handle the mooks.

I think it's safe to say the other Z fighters will take care of Freeza's men.

If Gohan and Piccolo can't win, no way in hell Krillin, Roshi, and Tenshinhan can. That means that Goku and Vegeta will have to save them or they'll perish. Which would then repeat Movie 3 where we got the humans to fight just like in this movie, only for all of them to be beaten down. Goku then proceeds to beat all the mooks down easily, and makes everyone else look like a waste of time.

Jaco will save them

[Kakarot9001]

If Gohan and Piccolo can't win, no way in hell Krillin, Roshi, and Tenshinhan can. That means that Goku and Vegeta will have to save them or they'll perish. Which would then repeat Movie 3 where we got the humans to fight just like in this movie, only for all of them to be beaten down. Goku then proceeds to beat all the mooks down easily, and makes everyone else look like a waste of time.

Movie 3 sucked a lot because of that.

All hail our savior, Goku!

[dbzfan7]

If Gohan and Piccolo can't win, no way in hell Krillin, Roshi, and Tenshinhan can. That means that Goku and Vegeta will have to save them or they'll perish. Which would then repeat Movie 3 where we got the humans to fight just like in this movie, only for all of them to be beaten down. Goku then proceeds to beat all the mooks down easily, and makes everyone else look like a waste of time.

Jaco will save them

Well that I could possibly believe. Besides if Freeza can train in 4 month's to be this powerful, Jaco could have trained years to be even more powerful. In fact, Jaco will save the day with his new found prodigy status, and all the gains he made throughout the years.

Movie 3 sucked a lot because of that.

All hail our savior, Goku!

That's not really something that ruins an entire movie, just something that irks me. Personally Movie 3 bored me, but that's a whole other topic.

[FortuneSSJ]

Movie 3 sucked a lot because of that.
All hail our savior, Goku!

If that's the reason, you must hate all the other movies except Bio-Broly movie...

[Kakarot9001]

That's not really something that ruins an entire movie, just something that irks me. Personally Movie 3 bored me, but that's a whole other topic.

I don't know... I think they could make the Z-Senshi defeat Tullece men and then Tullece defeat they all just like Goku did with their men, it would be more enjoyable

If that's the reason, you must hate all the other movies except Bio-Broly movie...

Yeah, some of them fail by keep using Goku as the main savior all the time... But no. I liked Movie 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 13 (Even thought I think Ultimate Gohan should be the one to defeat Hirudegarn, not Goku)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The ending to the manga involved Goku leaving to train Oob so that he could become Earth's new guardian. The ending seemed to suggest that Goku would be passing the torch over too Oob.

I dunno yano, Vegeta was very coy about revealing what Goku's true intentions were for leaving with Uub, I hardly think training Uub to uphold peace and pass the baton on too is something that requires a comment by Vegeta (of all people) unless it (Goku leaving with Uub) meant something else, which I bet it does. Or I maybe just reading too much into this lol.

[bleed0range]

The ending to the manga involved Goku leaving to train Oob so that he could become Earth's new guardian. The ending seemed to suggest that Goku would be passing the torch over too Oob.

I dunno yano, Vegeta was very coy about revealing what Goku's true intentions were for leaving with Uub, I hardly think training Uub to uphold peace and pass the baton on too is something that requires a comment by Vegeta (of all people) unless it (Goku leaving with Uub) meant something else, which I bet it does. Or I maybe just reading too much into this lol.

I feel like people misinterpret the ending and Vegeta's stance in Goku being number one. I always took it as Vegeta admitting that Goku was just better. Not necessarily because he's a better person... Because Vegeta has a family and friends to care about now. He admitted that he was the best and that he likely wouldn't catch up. He knows the real reason Goku is the best is because he does it for himself. To challenge himself. Not just to protect.

He's just a brilliant fighter.

Vegeta is imo, suggesting Goku is only training Uub for the selfish purpose to have someone that can challenge him again. Push him to his limits further. Vegeta know this is the real reason he takes Uub.

Nothing contradicts these things in the new movie. If Vegeta had the upper hand in this movie it would be nice because we've never seen him able to have such a victory now that he is good. He would be overwhelmed with joy. At the same time, Goku can always surpass him again later too.

[SSJGFrieza]

People have been saying Vegeta will beat Freeza ever since we found out Freeza was coming back and we saw that early promotional pic of Goku beaten and bloody. The latest trailer seems to make that even more clear.

Plus AT said after Battle of Gods he would like Vegeta would play the main role.

[Friezacooler]

People have been saying Vegeta will beat Freeza ever since we found out Freeza was coming back and we saw that early promotional pic of Goku beaten and bloody. The latest trailer seems to make that even more clear.

Plus AT said after Battle of Gods he would like Vegeta would play the main role.

Can't wait to see Vegeta jobber against Freeza again, now dat would be sweet