What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[DieHard]

DBMultiverse FTW!!

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[TheGmGoken]

Might wanna spoiler tag for those avoiding the FnF thread. Just as a courtesy thing.

Thanks for reminder!

You beat me to it Goken, yea beat me to it....

It's okay..

[Bullza]

Are you kidding me? How can be Widescreen a lame thing? lol

I'd say losing 20% of the picture and having the image scrubbed of detail is more than a little lame.

So, yeah, like ABED said, I do hope you're joking.

Can't be doing with that little bit less of sky or hair right? Forget having it fill my 40 inch TV because I just have to see that little extra bit of cloud.

[Gaffer Tape]

That's right. Just because you have a compulsion to fill every inch of your TV no matter the cost doesn't mean I should be forced to lose "that little extra bit of cloud" when all you'd have to do is hit the zoom button and never have to see those mean old terrible clouds again.

[Bullza]

No matter the cost indeed, I spent countless days pondering whether I should watch the show in wide screen at the horrific cost of not being able to see the top half of the clouds!

But then I came to the conclusion that it was just a cartoon show for kids.

[Gaffer Tape]

But then I came to the conclusion that it was just a cartoon show for kids.

You realize I could use that same argument to flip it back on you, right? That if it's just a cartoon show for kids, then why does it matter if it fills your TV? And if it's just a cartoon show for kids, why do you even care enough to start stirring the pot with me anyway?

If you actually want to discuss something, then discuss it. If you just want to be snarky, then I really couldn't care less, but either way I'm more than weary of the attitude, pal.

[Kakarot9001]

Freeza new GOLDEN FORM

[fadeddreams5]

Whenever something new is revealed about this movie, this is the thread to post in. : D

[Dyno]

Indeed. With Jaco's exception. He is the best thing about "Fukkatsu no F".

[Bullza]

You realize I could use that same argument to flip it back on you, right? That if it's just a cartoon show for kids, then why does it matter if it fills your TV?

The same argument doesn't work in reverse. If I have a big widescreen TV then I want everything I watch in general to fit that screen regardless of it being a cartoon, a movie, the news, anything.

What I don't want is to have a big TV then watch a small little square version of a cartoon just so I can see more clouds which is one of the things I don't watch DBZ for.

[Daisetsu]

cloud

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It's more than just clouds, you know. It's character's faces being cut off for more than 5 seconds, losing details (regardless of importance) from the background, and the fact that the TV show was NEVER meant to be seen in widescreen that we argue against it so much.

Also, like Gaffer Tape said, you can just use zoom to fill you TV. You have the option to view the show how want with a 4:3 image. However, aside from Kai and the ridiculously priced Dragon Boxes, we don't have the option to view it how we want. The original aspect ratio is pretty much a win-win situation with today's tech.

[fadeddreams5]

I'm going to reserve my opinions about SSJG until after this movie is released, but if all the rumors are true, and both Goku and Vegeta are basically like Gohan (should be) now (i.e. will no longer use any SSJ forms), then God mode is undoubtedly the stupidest ****ing shit they've introduced in modern DBZ. Without a single doubt.

[ABED]

Can't be doing with that little bit less of sky or hair right? Forget having it fill my 40 inch TV because I just have to see that little extra bit of cloud.

Why is that so important to you? Why is filling a screen so much more important than getting the full image?

The same argument doesn't work in reverse. If I have a big widescreen TV then I want everything I watch in general to fit that screen regardless of it being a cartoon, a movie, the news, anything.

What I don't want is to have a big TV then watch a small little square version of a cartoon just so I can see more clouds which is one of the things I don't watch DBZ for.

Of course the argument works in reverse. Can't be doing with a little less black bar? Forget having the full image on screen untampered with, what matters is the black bars on the sides, not the frame with the image and story that you should be paying attention to. See, you can do the argument in reverse.

You have a big image, the full screen isn't a small square. It's likely bigger than the TV you used to use before you got the flatscreen, and it's not just more clouds, it's also heads, hands, etc. Those things you mock are important by virtue of the artist creating them. That "extra" sky and cloud gives a greater sense of scope.

[MagicBox]

I'd forgotten that I haven't posted in this thread yet.

I guess I'll restrict my list to "manga and animation that have come out of Japan since 2000." I don't have the patience to go through and rank everything from video games to tie-in products to what foreign distributors like FUNimation have released.

My "lame" list...

"Episode Of Burdock"
This applies to both the original manga and the animated adaption. It's uninspired, it's nonsensical, and Ooishi seems unable to detach herself from her intense love for Burdock long enough to tell a story worth telling. Whenever I have to acknowledge it (which is rare), I just interpret the whole thing as a dream. As Burdock's getting blown away by Freeza's final blast, he has one final vision: the first Super Saiyan transformation. Only, instead of seeing the actual Saiyan who did it, the story is told through Burdock's eyes. Then, he burns like a crisp as Planet Vegeta is destroyed. Bye-bye.

It's the only way I can interpret it without getting annoyed.

Naho Ooishi and Toyotarō's Contributions
Writing about "Episode of Burdock" made me realize that I can't think of a single thing Ooishi's done that I enjoy. There was no point to her manga adaption of the JSAT special. "Dragon Ball SD" has a few inspired moments, but I think her creativity is being restricted by her editors' slavish devotion to the original DB manga. She's only rarely allowed to do anything truly different, and nearly all her work is forgettable as a result. The various "bonus" comics she's done (in which she's actually allowed to tell her own stories) are her best work. Toyotarō isn't in any better of a position. He has to give the people whatever his bosses want to advertise about Dragon Ball Heroes. I have a hard time seeing their work building any kind of real legacy, but the kids seem to be enjoying them, so who am I to take away their fun?

The Dream 9 Crossover Special
"Do you like Toriko yet? How 'bout now? NOW?!"

The climax gave us some awesome Super Saiyan 3 Goku animation, but aside from that, this whole special was pretty abysmal. Lazy plotting, lazy animation. Lazy, lazy, lazy. They didn't even bother to get the proper sound effects! I'd love for FUNimation to license this, but only because I'm a completist.

Dragon Ball Kai
It has a few inspired moments, but it's hard to list more than a few redeeming qualities to this horrid piece of work. I think everyone already knows the most common complaints by now.

It's a short list. If I had to choose between them, it'd be "Episode Of Burdock." Although I do have to slightly agree with some of the people who said "the fanbase." I mean, it's okay to dislike certain movies/products/ideas, but some of the things I've read on the forums lately have just been downright vicious.

[Mewzard]

While the special wasn't that special, I do like the idea of Dragon Ball and Toriko crossing over, as Toriko's my favorite manga to come out from Jump in the last ten years (and it's certainly at *if not beyond* DBZ at this point...my God, it's getting ridiculous in the best way possible).

As for Kai...it gave us a great dub. That makes it worth it in my book. Though if I could get that quality dub in the original DB/Z/GT/Movies, yeah, I'd probably agree then on Kai.

[Pantalones]

I'm not too fond of the idea of Freeza being able to miraculously surpass Buu and push into Super Saiyan God levels just by training for 4 months (why was he so damn afraid of Super Saiyans in the first place, then, if he knew that just training a little bit could give him a boost so absurd that "instant 50x stronger" would seem like nothing in comparison!?), but Episode of Bardock's "Freeza's ki blasts are actually magic glowing time-travel balls" silliness is probably the worst thing by far for me.

And it's bad enough that ki blasts on first-form Freeza's level can somehow randomly time-travel people now (the idea of "explosion = TIME TRAVEL!" is bad enough as-is, but letting somebody that far down the power scale do it rather than at least reserving stuff like that for insanely powerful guys like Buu who we already know can distort dimensions with their power... ), but it becomes even worse with the implication that this led to Bardock ending up as the Super Saiyan that the legends were talking about all along... which means this magic ki blast induced time-travel doesn't even follow regular Dragonball time-travel rules where "time travel" actually just creates a new timeline and moves you to a "past" point on that one, rather than actually letting you go back to your own timeline's past and change it.

Either that or Episode of Bardock branched off a new timeline and we never got to see what the difference was beyond "Bardock goes Super Saiyan and beats up one of Freeza's ancestors"... I guess the only obvious difference is Freeza knowing that "hair turns gold = Super Saiyan" in that timeline (since Chilled warned everyone about "a Saiyan with golden hair" specifically... while Freeza seemed to have no idea that the hair change meant Super Saiyan.)

[Kakarot9001]

I fear for the franchise future

[TheLegend23]

Inconsistenty and controdiction

[ABED]

Inconsistenty and contradiction

Not particular to the newer material.

I fear for the franchise future

Why?

[SaiyanZ]

Good-hearted or docile pure Saiyans besides Goku, Super Saiyan God ritual, Dragon Ball Minus (NOT Jaco), Episode of Bardock. It started in 2007 & 2008 for me, but there have been good stuff too, like Beerus, Whis, Jaco, etc.

I generally don't like DBZ in the modern era, though there are some bright spots like Xenoverse & the DB Kai dub