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Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by TJVY » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:58 am

Do you feel that Goku being able to go SSJ3 during his fight with Majin Vegeta lowered the impact that the battle originally had?

For me, yes.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:17 am

Honestly, the fight never had an impact on me to begin with, so... no, not really.

I do find it ridiculously sloppy writing, so what it does do that irks me is makes Goku somewhat culpable in Boo's revival. He even says to himself that he needs to put Vegeta away as quickly as possible so that not enough damage energy is collected to revive Boo. Then we later learn he had a form that could have easily done that? Between that and the characters not figuring out that Gohan can't be dead... too much idiocy at one time.
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Post by SSJ Electric Fury » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:25 am

He probably could have just transformed, stunned Vegeta, broken into the spaceship, smashed through floor after floor, and then proceeded to kill both Bobbidi and Dabura. Assuming he would have attacked the latter at full force, he could have done all this in less time than he spent stalling for Trunks. I don't know if the spell transferring damage energy to Boo would be dispelled with Bobbidi's death or not, though.
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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by MarCas92 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:27 am

Honestly, I don't believe so. Whether Goku had SSJ3 or not doesn't matter. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Vegeta and Goku duking it out. However, the fight really serves no purpose to the characters. The fight only truly exists as an excuse to get Buu out as soon as possible. Look at the Manga, their entire fight is less than 10 pages. The fight makes no sense even in it's own context when you really think about it. At the end of the day, Goku was more powerful than Vegeta with or without SSJ3. Vegeta needed help to just be even with him at SSJ2 level.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:22 am

Goku vs Vegeta II was essentially glorified filler, forced to happen through sloppy writing. Actually, a lot of fights in the Majin Boo arc fight that criteria.

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Post by MajinMan » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:07 pm

This is probably one of my favorite fights in the whole series, and no, Goku hiding ssj3 doesn't affect how I feel about the fight. This fight has the best filler in the series by far in my opinion and the emotional aspect it adds makes it even better than the manga version, which was way too short. I feel that Goku had the whole "let the younger generation take care of it" thing in his mind when he first heard of Majin Buu. He probably let Buu out on purpose to test the kids but he didn't think it through.
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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by Pliskin Femto » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:20 pm

That rematch was long overdue. Vegeta needed that fight and Son Goku wanted to give it to him. We're talking about Sayians here so while Vegeta would have seen SSJ3 as a challenge, Goku withheld it to make for a fair battle.
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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by Doctor. » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:22 pm

I didn't really like the fight for, well, the fight itself. I liked it because of the great dialogue between Goku and Vegeta. I only really enjoyed the fight once the anime came version came out and there, I kinda agree that once knowing about SSJ3, the fight's importance is diminished a bit.

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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by Dyno » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:33 pm

For me, yes as well. Well, at least I got a battle of both using the best transformation. So I can't say much than that.

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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:04 pm

It does diminish it but it does get to show some pretty good insight into Vegeta's personality after the seven-year skip and has some pretty good interaction between him and Goku. I mean that speech he gives him about wanting to be old, ruthless Vegeta is pure gold imo.

As for Goku not using SSJ3 at the time, I really doubt Toriyama even had that form in his mind at the time. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if after having Majin SSJ2 Vegeta get his ass kicked (who's power is on par with Goku's) he made up SSJ3 just to give Goku a plausible way to fight Buu without getting an equally bad curb stomp.
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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by bleed0range » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:27 am

Pliskin Femto wrote:That rematch was long overdue. Vegeta needed that fight and Son Goku wanted to give it to him. We're talking about Sayians here so while Vegeta would have seen SSJ3 as a challenge, Goku withheld it to make for a fair battle.
It's one of my top 2 DBZ fights and, in parts, it showcases the best animation in the series (still unsurpassed).

THIS. This whole fight amounts to a grand breakdown that Vegeta had and Goku did his best to appease him. Goku knew there was just no way around it, Vegeta HAD TO get this fight out of his system... he'd been waiting nearly a decade obsessing over the thought of it. He was struggling with becoming a good guy. Goku gave him the fight and made it fair. It's part of the necessary things that needed to happen for Vegeta to accept Goku was number one. It's not so much about reviving Buu as it is about Goku and Vegeta working out their relationship and Vegeta getting some long-standing issues out in the open and overcoming them. It's actually very important character development.

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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by TJVY » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:29 am

bleed0range wrote:
Pliskin Femto wrote:That rematch was long overdue. Vegeta needed that fight and Son Goku wanted to give it to him. We're talking about Sayians here so while Vegeta would have seen SSJ3 as a challenge, Goku withheld it to make for a fair battle.
It's one of my top 2 DBZ fights and, in parts, it showcases the best animation in the series (still unsurpassed).

THIS. This whole fight amounts to a grand breakdown that Vegeta had and Goku did his best to appease him. Goku knew there was just no way around it, Vegeta HAD TO get this fight out of his system... he'd been waiting nearly a decade obsessing over the thought of it. He was struggling with becoming a good guy. Goku gave him the fight and made it fair. It's part of the necessary things that needed to happen for Vegeta to accept Goku was number one. It's not so much about reviving Buu as it is about Goku and Vegeta working out their relationship and Vegeta getting some long-standing issues out in the open and overcoming them. It's actually very important character development.
This has actually changed my outlook on the fight.
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Re: Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

Post by Pliskin Femto » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:25 pm

bleed0range wrote:
Pliskin Femto wrote:That rematch was long overdue. Vegeta needed that fight and Son Goku wanted to give it to him. We're talking about Sayians here so while Vegeta would have seen SSJ3 as a challenge, Goku withheld it to make for a fair battle.
It's one of my top 2 DBZ fights and, in parts, it showcases the best animation in the series (still unsurpassed).

THIS. This whole fight amounts to a grand breakdown that Vegeta had and Goku did his best to appease him. Goku knew there was just no way around it, Vegeta HAD TO get this fight out of his system... he'd been waiting nearly a decade obsessing over the thought of it. He was struggling with becoming a good guy. Goku gave him the fight and made it fair. It's part of the necessary things that needed to happen for Vegeta to accept Goku was number one. It's not so much about reviving Buu as it is about Goku and Vegeta working out their relationship and Vegeta getting some long-standing issues out in the open and overcoming them. It's actually very important character development.
You put it in words way better than I did. Completely agree.
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