Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

The man's too dangerous to be given this much freedom.

That's what the series needs and that's what got the series to where it is right now.

If anyone other then Toriyama was in charge we'd be getting the same generic movies we got the first 13 times around.

What we're getting now are movies with actual stories,character development,new characters with different personalities.

Do you want to go back to the days of stories being (Good guy(Goku) stopping some generic bad guy with 0 personality like Broly who wants to destroy cause it's fun ?) over and over and over and over again ?

If you like that then that's fine but for me I want to see the series' story expand in unexpected ways and introduce new exciting characters the way the manga did and that's what's going on in the new stories we're getting.

Do you think Vegeta would do anything other then show up for a few seconds then get beaten up if Toie was in charge ? let alone get his own movie ?

Regardless of what you think about Vegeta,him getting his own movie shows that Toriyama is willing to think outside the box which shows that the series future is in good hands.

As much as interesting how things could be if things work out smoothly for Vegeta, do not turn heel if it doesn't. Things look like they'll go his way, but by Kamikingkaioshin do not turn on the movie if they somehow don't go his way. If for some bizarre reason he jobs or is not as relevant as previously thought, do not just turn against the film and these statements being made if that somehow happens. These are genuinely fair points, so long as they are not made cause someone you like may get their shot. They're a nice view on the subject, but will be soured if they were made because of character bias.

As much as I've bitched about the movie, I still believe I'll have a genuine good time. I just know there are some people who'd hold it against the movie if things don't go their way. Hell I can complain about Battle of Gods too, but pop the movie in and I'll still have a good time with it.

[sintzu]

I think it's funny, that I never imagined, that Dragon Ball fanbase will take the same attitude as SW fans towards Toriyama/Lucas.

Since the first Budokai, everyone was hyped for the new stuff. Being it only animated 2 minutes long VG opening, or some tidbit.
Then we've got 2008 Special, everyone was hyped for new continuation, tough it raised brows with Vegeta's little brother with some people...
After Battle of Gods, the fandom got divided and author gets bashed for what he does with his own series.

For me? I enjoyed SW prequels same as the main story, it expanded upon the material and I had a reason to go to the cinema for my beloved franchise again.
Tough I have some share of criticism for some things like Jar Jar, I don't have anything against George Lucas. His fantasy and creative mind gave me wonderful childhood
and I can say the same about Toriyama. I did enjoy the Battle of Gods a lot, it returned to the roots with humour and the overall style, tough I had tough time to accept the magenta toned SSJ God with my eyes.

I do understand why people who grew on the hardcore DBZ wtf fighting series have hard time with what Dragon Ball really is. It's series of my childhood that I grew up on, with fun, adventure, weird humour and some fighting.
I do enjoy all the new stuff coming out, except for the Episode of Bardock and if they will make more films, man, I wanna be there.

sintzu, you said it well!

The only reason the new stories are getting all this hate is because they're new.

Would these stories be getting this kind of hate if they were part of the original run of the manga ? No way and I assure you if for example the Cell arc was released today it would probably get a lot of hate just for being new even though it's regarded as the best arc by a lot of fans

As of now I haven't read a "problem/Plot hole" that wasn't in the original run.

As much as interesting how things could be if things work out smoothly for Vegeta, do not turn heel if it doesn't. Things look like they'll go his way, but by Kamikingkaioshin do not turn on the movie if they somehow don't go his way. If for some bizarre reason he jobs or is not as relevant as previously thought, do not just turn against the film and these statements being made if that somehow happens.

Vegeta will defeat Freeza,You have my word on that.

[sintzu]

Besides there's no way they can pump one out every year.

During the manga's run they made 2 a year so I doubt it would be hard to do 1 a year and for all we know production on the next one has already started and will be announced this July.

Another thing is based on Toriyama's recent interviews,he sounds very happy and excited to be working on the story so we have that to go on as well.

[SSJGFrieza]

I think it's funny, that I never imagined, that Dragon Ball fanbase will take the same attitude as SW fans towards Toriyama/Lucas.

Since the first Budokai, everyone was hyped for the new stuff. Being it only animated 2 minutes long VG opening, or some tidbit.
Then we've got 2008 Special, everyone was hyped for new continuation, tough it raised brows with Vegeta's little brother with some people...
After Battle of Gods, the fandom got divided and author gets bashed for what he does with his own series.

For me? I enjoyed SW prequels same as the main story, it expanded upon the material and I had a reason to go to the cinema for my beloved franchise again.
Tough I have some share of criticism for some things like Jar Jar, I don't have anything against George Lucas. His fantasy and creative mind gave me wonderful childhood
and I can say the same about Toriyama. I did enjoy the Battle of Gods a lot, it returned to the roots with humour and the overall style, tough I had tough time to accept the magenta toned SSJ God with my eyes.

I do understand why people who grew on the hardcore DBZ wtf fighting series have hard time with what Dragon Ball really is. It's series of my childhood that I grew up on, with fun, adventure, weird humour and some fighting.
I do enjoy all the new stuff coming out, except for the Episode of Bardock and if they will make more films, man, I wanna be there.

sintzu, you said it well!

Well said, DBZ fans have no appreciation for how much of a martial arts comedy it really is. They've missed its point as much as Dragonball Evolution missed its point.

Battle of Gods went back to DB being funny with a battle sticked on at the end.

Kind of sucks RoF is back to yelling and punching because some millenials didn't think it was DBZ enough.

[MCDaveG]

Besides there's no way they can pump one out every year.

During the manga's run they made 2 a year so I doubt it would be hard to do 1 a year and for all we know production on the next one has already started and will be announced this July.

Another thing is based on Toriyama's recent interviews,he sounds very happy and excited to be working on the story so we have that to go on as well.

Yeah, but those movies were actually like TV Anime side story episodes with 10-20 minutes on top, done by the same studios.
First half of the 7th movie looks like hell. The stories weren't that complicated as well.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

BoG pre AT sounded awful. A Goku with a cape? Like the Superman comparisons weren't enough already.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Toriyama/Lucas parallels are definitely a good comparison, but for me it only highlights a problem with the fandom rather than the original creator. When people are so easily able to dismiss the work of the author and practically turn on him, forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either...well, frankly, it's really disappointing to see. Lucas didn't kill Star Wars, Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball.

[GoldLiger]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Toriyama/Lucas parallels are definitely a good comparison, but for me it only highlights a problem with the fandom rather than the original creator. When people are so easily able to dismiss the work of the author and practically turn on him, forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either...well, frankly, it's really disappointing to see. Lucas didn't kill Star Wars, Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball.

Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball. He is retconning it to HELL. If he just stated that these movies or new content would NOT affect the original continuity that his younger(and saner) self created 20+ years ago then the fandom would have been A LOT more happy to accept this new material. But instead of saying that he goes and messes with his younger self's work. Turning Goku from a "member of an evil race that was sent to destroy the Earth but an accident cause him to become it's greatest defender" to a literal Superman clone. Don't try to defend this man who dares to call himself Akira Toriyama because even I know that the true Akira Toriyama would never want his creation to be a copy of another.

[AvatarReiko]

I am looking forward to this film. My only fear is that that the power scalings are going to be all over the place by the film's end. Perhaps even worse then GT.
I think AT just though "Ah, screw it"

[rereboy]

The only reason the new stories are getting all this hate is because they're new.

Would these stories be getting this kind of hate if they were part of the original run of the manga ? No way and I assure you if for example the Cell arc was released today it would probably get a lot of hate just for being new even though it's regarded as the best arc by a lot of fans

As of now I haven't read a "problem/Plot hole" that wasn't in the original run.

Your statement is biased. How many topics have we had regarding Gohan being OOC in the Cell games for example? That alone should demonstrate to you that, no, people don't hate it just because its new. If the new stuff was to their liking, they wouldn't complain.

[Gaffer Tape]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Toriyama/Lucas parallels are definitely a good comparison, but for me it only highlights a problem with the fandom rather than the original creator. When people are so easily able to dismiss the work of the author and practically turn on him, forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either...well, frankly, it's really disappointing to see. Lucas didn't kill Star Wars, Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball.

At the risk of getting off point, I do feel the need to address the Lucas thing because you've brought it up recently before. I do too often see Star Wars and Dragon Ball fandoms as being similar things... but not in how their creator is treated. It's just because of the sharp divides in the fanbase. In DB because of the dub versus the original. In Star Wars because of the original, pre-SE crowd versus the prequel and revisionist history crowd.

However, to say that problems with George Lucas is a problem with a fandom is woefully ignoring the fact that there is a real problem, and to compare it to Toriyama is, I feel, inaccurate. See, while I respect George Lucas for what he's done, I have some serious problems with him. And it's not because of the prequels. Yeah, I think they're terrible, and I wish they weren't a blemish on the Star Wars name, similar to how I think Dragon Ball Minus is a blemish on the Dragon Ball history. But where the difference lies is right in your own quote: "forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either..." Well, for years Lucas has been trying to literally, physically alter and remove the material I do like. This coming from a man who once championed film preservation to Congress. It's impossible to not hold a certain amount of bitterness towards a creator who keeps treating his fans so poorly. When Toriyama changes chapter 196 to include a flashback to Gine and alter Raditz's dialogue to mention Super Saiyan God, then a comparison to George Lucas will be apt, as far as I'm concerned.

Hell, to be fair, Toriyama has made alterations to the manga, such as in the kanzenban, and those greatly irk me. (Hell, if not for the efforts of Julian and the release of the 30th anniversary mag, I never would have known that Gohan was originally three years old.) But they're not nearly to the ridiculous levels that Lucas likes to do. Honestly, it'd be more accurate to compare George Lucas and FUNimation as they're the ones creating such divisive splits in the fanbases through their constant changes, and who both have a history of lying to their fanbases to push their own agendas.

[enjyu123]

Guys I had a few quick questions, in the trailer are those soldiers Frieza's "remaining" soldiers, or brand new soldiers from elsewhere? Also, how old are Goten and Trunks in the movie? Thanks, and my apologies if this has already been talked about in this huge thread.

[VegettoEX]

Guys I had a few quick questions, in the trailer are those soldiers Freeza's "remaining" soldiers, or brand new soldiers from elsewhere? Also, how old are Goten and Trunks in the movie? Thanks, and my apologies if this has already been talked about in this huge thread.

Not super clear about old soldiers or new soldiers. It might be both. Tagoma and Sorbet are certainly "old" and they may have gathered up other "old" ones... or perhaps they went around recruiting some more on their way to Earth.

We don't have an exact date/year for this movie yet. If the preview from Toyotaro's manga adaptation is any indication, given Pan's appearance, it's got to be somewhere around just a year or so after Battle of Gods. If Goten was 7 and Trunks was 8 when Goku defeated Buu, that means they were four years older than that for Battle of Gods, and somewhere around a year older than that for this film's potential timeframe.

[sintzu]

Yeah, but those movies were actually like TV Anime side story episodes with 10-20 minutes on top, done by the same studios.
First half of the 7th movie looks like hell. The stories weren't that complicated as well.

Both points are true but that doesn't mean they can't do 1 a year.

Do you or anyone else know how long it takes to make one ? assuming they have the story ready ?

[Kakarot9001]

That is not how you address an opinion. Not at all. Your post clearly came off as telling someone they were wrong. That's why there was an argument in the first place. You can't admit to something factually wrong. Liking Linda Young is not factually wrong. Saying her performance is accurate to Freeza's character, is factually wrong. Saying her performance is accurate to the character is like saying "Special Recoome" and "Aussie Jeice" are accurate to their characters. I like Spider-Man 3 and the PS2 version of that game. Most hate that movie's guts and call the game a massive disappointment. They are right. I'm just satisfied with them enough, despite how I can factually agree how bad they are.

It's funny because you say that's not how I address my opinion, because I'm clearly said to someone that they were wrong about their opinions, but you in fact say that I can't admit that I'm wrong just because I think Linda Young is perfect playing Freeza? A little contradiction over here.

It's not because major people say that Linda Young is bad as Freeza that this make me wrong, is their opinions after all I think different, that's it.

Agh. No more movies by Toriyama, or at least not with him having total creative control. Battle of Gods gave us just a taste of this problem by giving him too much sway, and now Revival of F puts him in charge and seems right on track to make things worse still. Damned if Rocketman isn't right about where things are going. If we have to bastardize DragonBall with further films, let's get some other people mixed in so far as screenwriting goes so that we get something besides weak, lazy concepts that undermine the series as a whole. Toriyama wrote a great manga, but he's kinda starting to shit on it with this new stuff all these years later.

I'm afraid that I might agree with that.

When Toriyama changes chapter 196 to include a flashback to Gine and alter Raditz's dialogue to mention Super Saiyan God, then a comparison to George Lucas will be apt, as far as I'm concerned.

Don't even joke about something like that!

[Tennessaiyan]

I think this film will raise the curtain on the next era of the Dragon Ball legend.

You want to know what I think? ... I think I might faint.

Now, I don't want to say that this is hinting at a new series or anything (would be nice, though,) but that quote, to me reinforces the idea that this movie really is more than just the resurrection of Frieza. I feel that there will be more "lore" as an addition to god power and other universes. Color me even more excited.

[Captain Space]

As I'm too much connected with Dragon Ball Heroes, I truly want to know how they will (if they will) portray that state/form "Saiyan that has surpassed God". So much anxious and curiosity.

What's this now?

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RE: Frieza

As has been said, Linda Young was great as Genkai in YYH. The problem, at least to me, is that she was doing basically the same voice for Frieza, who's meant to be suave, sophisticated and sarcastic.

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RE: RoF/FnF


...well I'm in the "loved BoG" camp and I'm excited for this movie, for one. I would say "time will tell who's right", but it's not like one group will be vindicated, because what will probably happen is half of us will love the new movie and half of us will hate it.

[dbzfan7]

That is not how you address an opinion. Not at all. Your post clearly came off as telling someone they were wrong. That's why there was an argument in the first place. You can't admit to something factually wrong. Liking Linda Young is not factually wrong. Saying her performance is accurate to Freeza's character, is factually wrong. Saying her performance is accurate to the character is like saying "Special Recoome" and "Aussie Jeice" are accurate to their characters. I like Spider-Man 3 and the PS2 version of that game. Most hate that movie's guts and call the game a massive disappointment. They are right. I'm just satisfied with them enough, despite how I can factually agree how bad they are.

It's funny because you say that not how I address my opinion because I'm clearly said to someone that they were wrong about their opinions, but you in fact say that I can't admit that I'm wrong just because I think Linda Young is perfect playing Freeza? A little contradiction over there.

It's not because major people say that Linda Young is bad as Freeza that this make me wrong, is their opinions after all I think different, that's it.

Who says "Are you serious? Of course not." When they're talking about opinion. That's like saying "What really? That's silly." No statement like that is opinionated. It reeks of confusion as to someone saying they can't believe an opinion, with of course not being stated like they're joking.

People have already made their case of how it's fact that Linda Young is not an accurate Freeza. Her voice is literally Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho. We've said you can like her voice more, but you can't even admit her performance is inaccurate to the character. As people have said she isn't sophisticated or polite at all. She's gruff, and really only captures the brutish side of Freeza. She's not aristocratic and doesn't make Freeza sound that smart. He sounds like someone who can only bully people into doing every job, rather than actually knowing how to run an empire.

[Gianchio]

Hi everyone, I'm new here
I am so excited for this movie!
It's funny that a lot of people were pissed when Freeza was announced, because for me was just the opposite!
Before that, I didn't even care about this movie (I liked Battle of Gods though) but I was so happy when I found out that Freeza would have returned stronger than ever! I think he totally deserves this.

[White Oni]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Toriyama/Lucas parallels are definitely a good comparison, but for me it only highlights a problem with the fandom rather than the original creator. When people are so easily able to dismiss the work of the author and practically turn on him, forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either...well, frankly, it's really disappointing to see. Lucas didn't kill Star Wars, Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball.

Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball. He is retconning it to HELL. If he just stated that these movies or new content would NOT affect the original continuity that his younger(and saner) self created 20+ years ago then the fandom would have been A LOT more happy to accept this new material. But instead of saying that he goes and messes with his younger self's work. Turning Goku from a "member of an evil race that was sent to destroy the Earth but an accident cause him to become it's greatest defender" to a literal Superman clone. Don't try to defend this man who dares to call himself Akira Toriyama because even I know that the true Akira Toriyama would never want his creation to be a copy of another.

What in the heck are you talking about?

Have you actually read/watched Dragonball?

1)Take a look at what the "Sane" and "consistent" mind of a younger AT produced over the years.

2) Young, "sane", AT made FAR more changes during his transistion from DB to DBZ, especially in regards to Goku's origin, and yet I don't see you or others complaining about that.

3) Goku and superman have similarities but are nowhere near being the same, and the new movies do nothing to push them closer together.

4) I find it funny that people like you keep saying "fan base" as if your opinions were held by many people. Yes, you see them stick out like a sore thumb on the internet. But like most obnoxious opinions on the web, they're held by a small, loud, minority.

Just look at the success of BoG and the resurgence of activity in the fandom, as well as the anticipation for the next installment and potentially installments beyond this one.

In short... What on earth are you even talking about? Sounds like you're just complaining for complaining's sake.