Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ekrolo2]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

[Doctor.]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

Huh?

I know that the Boo arc isn't the best thing he's ever written, but it's one of the most creative arcs, at least when it comes to abilities and designs.

[ekrolo2]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

Huh?

I know that the Boo arc isn't the best thing he's ever written, but it's one of the most creative arcs, at least when it comes to abilities and designs.

I find it the worst DB thing probably ever, the bad guy is easily one of my least favorite ever, the whole character plot induced retardism (stupidity is too kind of a word for it in this case) is higher than ever before, it constantly goes back and forth between who's winning. First its Goku SSJ3, then Buu, then Gotenks, then Super Buu, then Mystic/Ultimate/Idon'tfuckingknowwhatthisformdoes Gohan, then Buutenks, then Buuhan, then Vegito, then Super Mega Ultra Omega Alpha 2k13 Extreme Uncut Remastered Buu and it goes on, and on, and on.

I can name quite a few problems with GT, but GT in the space travels was incredibly fun and entertaining, SSJ4 is the best design the series has had, Baby was a truly despicable and hate-able bad guy and I found the latter Shadow Dragons to be pretty cool badguys. The Buu Saga by comparison is horribly paced, is constantly throwing new stuff in every 5 minutes just to make the bad guy more powerful, the main bad guy in question has absolutely nothing going for him except a couple good designs and pretty much all the problems that creeped in during the Cell Saga became exponentially worse in the Buu one.

The only good things out of the Buu saga were SSJ3 and Vegeta's kamikaze explosion which in the end became pointless, just like fusion, Gohan and every god damn form Buu takes just so the plot can keep on going.

[Doctor.]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

Huh?

I know that the Boo arc isn't the best thing he's ever written, but it's one of the most creative arcs, at least when it comes to abilities and designs.

I find it the worst DB thing probably ever, the bad guy is easily one of my least favorite ever, the whole character plot induced retardism (stupidity is too kind of a word for it in this case) is higher than ever before, it constantly goes back and forth between who's winning. First its Goku SSJ3, then Buu, then Gotenks, then Super Buu, then Mystic/Ultimate/Idon'tfuckingknowwhatthisformdoes Gohan, then Buutenks, then Buuhan, then Vegito, then Super Mega Ultra Omega Alpha 2k13 Extreme Uncut Remastered Buu and it goes on, and on, and on.

I can name quite a few problems with GT, but GT in the space travels was incredibly fun and entertaining, SSJ4 is the best design the series has had, Baby was a truly despicable and hate-able bad guy and I found the latter Shadow Dragons to be pretty cool badguys. The Buu Saga by comparison is horribly paced, is constantly throwing new stuff in every 5 minutes just to make the bad guy more powerful, the main bad guy in question has absolutely nothing going for him except a couple good designs and pretty much all the problems that creeped in during the Cell Saga became exponentially worse in the Buu one.

The only good things out of the Buu saga were SSJ3 and Vegeta's kamikaze explosion which in the end became pointless, just like fusion, Gohan and every god damn form Buu takes just so the plot can keep on going.

Yes, not that I agree with you, but I understand your criticism. But you used the word "creatively", implying that there was something wrong in terms of creativity with the Boo arc. I'd like to know what.

Unless the word has another meaning I'm not aware of, in which case I apologize because my English is obviously not perfect.

[ekrolo2]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

I would sooner say the lack of creativity is what really killed the Buu saga, I mean the whole thing is pretty much a rehash of the Cell Saga except exponentially worse. Bad guy who absorbs people to become stronger? Check, everyone being a total fucking idiot to make the plot happen? Check, Vegeta being an arrogant jackass making the plot advance further? Check, Toriyama introducing more transformations with most of them not getting any proper build up unlike the Cell ones? Check, characters being left in the dust?

Then it has its own major issue during the second portion where Toriyama was just an indecisive twat about who's supposed to save the day, if he had just definitely said: "This guy is gonna beat Buu and I'm gonna stand firm on that choice!" the whole arc probably could've ended better. First Gotenks is hyped as the true savior, then Gohan, then Vegito and then it's ultimately Goku again. It pretty much cheapened their very existence and felt like a real waste of potential. It made the story dull, predictable and felt like he had just reached the point where even he couldn't find semi-plausible explanations for how the good guys get strong enough to beat the villain.

So yeah, when I meant by my creativity comment, I meant that him applying the same choices, tropes and thought processes from the Buu Saga into the new material would pretty much result in more Buu Saga level garbage. Financially these would do well regardless, but it would be horrendous on a creative level.

[Hugo Boss]

New Dragon Ball movies are always welcome for me. I would like to see a conection between the end of FnF and the whole 12 universes stuff. And new characters.

[Kakarot9001]

Who says "Are you serious? Of course not." When they're talking about opinion. That's like saying "What really? That's silly." No statement like that is opinionated. It reeks of confusion as to someone saying they can't believe an opinion, with of course not being stated like they're joking.

People have already made their case of how it's fact that Linda Young is not an accurate Freeza. Her voice is literally Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho. We've said you can like her voice more, but you can't even admit her performance is inaccurate to the character. As people have said she isn't sophisticated or polite at all. She's gruff, and really only captures the brutish side of Freeza. She's not aristocratic and doesn't make Freeza sound that smart. He sounds like someone who can only bully people into doing every job, rather than actually knowing how to run an empire.

No. That's just how you interpret... I didn't mean to say that he was silly or whatever, just that I didn't agree with his opinion because I don't really think that Ayres is the best English portrayal of Freeza. And about her Genkai, I liked too and there are differences between her Genkai and Freeza dub, Freeza was sharply and Genkai had more pitch.
I find she sophisticated and yet polite as Freeza, don't know what you are talking about.

[Doctor.]

When Toriyama makes something as atrocious as the Buu Saga, then DB is at least creatively in trouble. For now (minus well... Minus) its been going pretty strong with BoG on the movie side and XV & DBO on the game one.

I would sooner say the lack of creativity is what really killed the Buu saga, I mean the whole thing is pretty much a rehash of the Cell Saga except exponentially worse. Bad guy who absorbs people to become stronger? Check, everyone being a total fucking idiot to make the plot happen? Check, Vegeta being an arrogant jackass making the plot advance further? Check, Toriyama introducing more transformations with most of them not getting any proper build up unlike the Cell ones? Check, characters being left in the dust?

Then it has its own major issue during the second portion where Toriyama was just an indecisive twat about who's supposed to save the day, if he had just definitely said: "This guy is gonna beat Buu and I'm gonna stand firm on that choice!" the whole arc probably could've ended better. First Gotenks is hyped as the true savior, then Gohan, then Vegito and then it's ultimately Goku again. It pretty much cheapened their very existence and felt like a real waste of potential. It made the story dull, predictable and felt like he had just reached the point where even he couldn't find semi-plausible explanations for how the good guys get strong enough to beat the villain.

So yeah, when I meant by my creativity comment, I meant that him applying the same choices, tropes and thought processes from the Buu Saga into the new material would pretty much result in more Buu Saga level garbage. Financially these would do well regardless, but it would be horrendous on a creative level.

Fair enough. I'll respectfully disagree and say that even though some tropes were reused, they were handled differently and overall made it a much more enjoyable, although worse, arc compared to the Cell one.

[dbzfan7]

Who says "Are you serious? Of course not." When they're talking about opinion. That's like saying "What really? That's silly." No statement like that is opinionated. It reeks of confusion as to someone saying they can't believe an opinion, with of course not being stated like they're joking.

People have already made their case of how it's fact that Linda Young is not an accurate Freeza. Her voice is literally Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho. We've said you can like her voice more, but you can't even admit her performance is inaccurate to the character. As people have said she isn't sophisticated or polite at all. She's gruff, and really only captures the brutish side of Freeza. She's not aristocratic and doesn't make Freeza sound that smart. He sounds like someone who can only bully people into doing every job, rather than actually knowing how to run an empire.

No. That's just how you interpret... I didn't mean to say that he was silly or whatever, just that I didn't agree with his opinion because I don't really think that Ayres is the best English portrayal of Freeza. And about her Genkai, I liked too and there are differences between her Genkai and Freeza dub, Freeza was sharply and Genkai had more pitch.
I find she sophisticated and yet polite as Freeza, don't know what you are talking about.

If that's what you truly believe, then you your post did not come across as open to me. You may have intended differently, but that post doesn't come off as open opinionated. We've already said it's fine to like Linda Young, but there really is no arguing for accurate portrayal for her. We can pull out numerous ridiculous quotes and moments where that Freeza is silly and ridiculous, where there's deviations, etc.

[Dyno]

As I'm too much connected with Dragon Ball Heroes, I truly want to know how they will (if they will) portray that state/form "Saiyan that has surpassed God". So much anxious and curiosity.

What's this now?

Dragon Ball Heroes "created" a state/form which Kakarot (through the mechanism of the game) literally transforms the same way Son Gohan goes to his "mystic/ultimate" form. Nothing change in regard to physical appearance but the card confirms his power comes from the Super Saiyan God and even surpass it, as Kakarot trained with Wiss.

[Kishido]

As I'm too much connected with Dragon Ball Heroes, I truly want to know how they will (if they will) portray that state/form "Saiyan that has surpassed God". So much anxious and curiosity.

What's this now?

Dragon Ball Heroes "created" a state/form which Kakarot (through the mechanism of the game) literally transforms the same way Son Gohan goes to his "mystic/ultimate" form. Nothing change in regard to physical appearance but the card confirms his power comes from the Super Saiyan God and even surpass it, as Kakarot trained with Wiss.

Does someoen have screens of it? Even more strange... How is it different as Super Saiyan God? And the way it is said, it seems that form is even stronger than SSG... So how exacly does Vegeta want to surpass it?

[Captain Space]

I liked the Buu Saga quite a bit...especially in the manga, where (and a lot of this is lost in the anime and the dub particularly) it's clear Toriyama is having a lot of fun with it (Krillin makes a 4th-wall-breaking joke about re-using/photocopying panels for the fusion dance and Tori-Bot pops up, apologising to the editor...).

As I'm too much connected with Dragon Ball Heroes, I truly want to know how they will (if they will) portray that state/form "Saiyan that has surpassed God". So much anxious and curiosity.

What's this now?

Dragon Ball Heroes "created" a state/form which Kakarot (through the mechanism of the game) literally transforms the same way Son Gohan goes to his "mystic/ultimate" form. Nothing change in regard to physical appearance but the card confirms his power comes from the Super Saiyan God and even surpass it, as Kakarot trained with Wiss.

Okay, so it was something cool from DB Heroes that might be hinting at something in the new movie. All right, thanks. We'll see, I suppose.

[lord turbo]

You literally just described Freeza.

Yeah, I know... But like I said Ayres force to be that way... Nakao and Linda Young are naturally polite as they play the role as Freeza and that's what make they both good indeed

Ride em Cowboy is polite!? . Young's Freeza both acting and script is the furthest from polite you can get.

Exactly, Young's portrayal of Freeza's polite mannerism, aristocrat attitude, sincere demeanor masking horrible cruelty, barely restrained anger when irritated, and etc. were all far off the mark. I literally have no idea who the hell Young was suppose to be in the old school Funimation dub. All I say was an incredibly cheesy (in a bad way), Saturday morning villain dialogue left and right. She literally could not conveyed the proper emotions assigned to Freeza even if her life depended on it. Young is a fine actress, but a pretty awful miscast for Freeza. Ayers is literally a English equivalent to Nakao's Japanese Freeza. Everything is identical to how he's suppose to be portrayed. Tone, speech, mannerisms, emotions, everything is completely solid and how its suppose to be down.

A dub in any language is suppose to carry the same characteristics as its original version. In other words, its suppose to be pretty similar to how that character is suppose to act, sound, and behave originally. Young failed miserably as Freeza, Ayers succeeded greatly as Freeza as far as accuracy is concerned.

Special Recoome and Aussie Jeice are examples of how inaccurate characters can be better than what they're intended to actually be like. lol.

P.S. I like Spider-Man 3 too. I don't think it's bad, tbh. Villain clutter aside, it was intentionally campy in many parts. People despised that. I loved it. =P

To be honest, I always hated down syndrome Recoome, Aussie Jeice I'm indifferent too, but I do know what you mean. I like dub Android 13, not due to any accuracy or anything, but how lolbad and hilarious the script is for the character.

[sintzu]

I would like to see a conection between the end of FnF and the whole 12 universes stuff.

I think this picture confirms that either something happens after Freeza's death or Freeza tells Vegeta something about the universes or some other thing.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dra ... 1206060140

[Kamiccolo9]

I would like to see a conection between the end of FnF and the whole 12 universes stuff.

I think this picture confirms that either something happens after Freeza's death or Freeza tells Vegeta something about the universes or some other thing.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dra ... 1206060140

It is a picture of Vegeta with a surprised face. It confirms that Vegeta, at some point in the movie is surprised. WHAT A TWIST.
You might as well say "hey, look at that Krillin's hand there! He's only showing 3 fingers! Half-Life 3 confirmed!"

[Captain Space]

I will say that there is one important difference between Ayres-Frieza and Nakao-Frieza...I am a straight man, but damn, Japanese Frieza has a sexy voice.

[Chuquita]

Re: Buu arc

I'm also a fan. Fourth wall breaking is fun. :3

Re: Heroes card

I'm not sold on it yet both because it's from Heroes so it could just be a card for the sake of being a card; and because I don't want to lose ssjg Gokû so soon. Well, I say lose; I can always draw him, but I mean have him vanish from the plot. He's cute and I have so many unanswered questions.

[sintzu]

How is it different as Super Saiyan God?

So how exacly does Vegeta want to surpass it?

We don't know yet,it could be a mastered state of Ssjg .

Based on the last trailer,I think he has it as well.

It is a picture of Vegeta with a surprised face.It confirms that Vegeta, at some point in the movie is surprised.

WHAT A TWIST.

Exactly.

Based on the background it's after Freeza transforms and based of the last trailer he sees Goku lose yet he looks confidant so either Freeza has another evolution or at the end of his battle with him he tells him about something that surprises or scares him so yes that would be a twist.

[Doctor.]

Exactly.

Based on the background it's after Freeza transforms and based of the last trailer he sees Goku lose yet he looks confidant so either Freeza has another evolution or at the end of his battle with him he tells him about something that surprises or scares him so yes that would be a twist.

And you couldn't think that maybe, just maybe, Vegeta was just surprised at Freeza's power while fighting Goku? Because Vegeta not having one scratch on his body after fighting Freeza is highly unlikely.

[Kamiccolo9]

Exactly.

Based on the background it's after Freeza transforms and based of the last trailer he sees Goku lose yet he looks confidant so either Freeza has another evolution or at the end of his battle with him he tells him about something that surprises or scares him so yes that would be a twist.

And you couldn't think that maybe, just maybe, Vegeta was just surprised at Freeza's power while fighting Goku? Because Vegeta not having one scratch on his body after fighting Freeza is highly unlikely.

You don't understand that sinzu has already formulated the exact plot progression of the movie in his head, and has deluded himself into thinking that his fantasy is the actual plot, and he insists on insisting that his version of the story is what is actually going to happen.