Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

It should stop there.

I'm ok with getting more then 3 as long as Toriyama is in charge but when he leaves I think they should stop but with how much $$$ they'll be making by the time he's done I doubt they'll just stop.

[Chuquita]

I'm mostly just biding my time and waiting for more plot info to appear. I know next week'll have plot updates, we'll find out if Julian won a ticket, and we're closing in on two weeks until the preview screenings. Things are going to be absolutely crazy two Mondays from now. With how secretive Shueisha's been this time compared to BOG, I'm hoping it's something none of us are expecting.

Toriyama's first editor liked it and he's someone who didn't like much of anything so we're probably in for a few surprises.

Torishima is part of the reason I haven't lost hope in this movie. I'm also excited about the idea that this time Toriyama's writing from scratch rather than rewriting someone else's material. While I wanted a new villain, and I still want to see those 12 universes explored, the fact that they've gone out of their way to tell very little about this movie's plot--while really frustrating--makes me not want to judge until I know more about it. It's why I'm no longer negative about the movie. If anything I'm still really really curious.

[Captain Space]

How I wish we could get two DBZ movies every 2-3 years. A traditional Toei ( i.e. NOT made by Ooishi) one, and one by Toriyama.

I disagree. Toriyama is should always be on board, but I would like more people to help craft the stories with him. Toei by themselves is really not all that great.

I find Toei movies to be run of the mill fun and action packed. It'd be nice to have something non-canonical, but entertaining on the side, like Wrath of the Dragon or Fusion Reborn, which, imo, are both better than Battle of Gods.

I should have written "Toriyama and co." Of course I would like people helping him craft the story. But I don't think anybody will ever question his decisions for a DBZ plot. His seniority and status as creator likely intimidate people from doing that.

Apparently after he modified the BoG plot there was "a lot of back and forth" between elements of the two versions, so evidently some people do question him.

[fadeddreams5]

Apparently after he modified the BoG plot there was "a lot of back and forth" between elements of the two versions, so evidently some people do question him.

Well, that's cause he butted in and changed people's ideas. Some people have pride. lol.

[sintzu]

Well, that's cause he butted in and changed people's ideas.Some people have pride. lol.

Change ? He rewrote everything from scratch.

The only things he kept where the names super saiyan god,god of destruction and Beerus.

[fadeddreams5]

Well, that's cause he butted in and changed people's ideas.Some people have pride. lol.

Change ? He rewrote everything from scratch.

The only things he kept where the names super saiyan god,god of destruction and Beerus.

Exactly. lol. That's even worse.

For the people who had those ideas, anyways. For fans, that might have been the greatest thing to happen.

[Hellspawn28]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Toriyama/Lucas parallels are definitely a good comparison, but for me it only highlights a problem with the fandom rather than the original creator. When people are so easily able to dismiss the work of the author and practically turn on him, forgetting that without him the material they do like wouldn't exist either...well, frankly, it's really disappointing to see. Lucas didn't kill Star Wars, Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball.

Toriyama isn't killing Dragon Ball. He is retconning it to HELL.

Toriyama's retcons are nowhere as bad people make out to be. Fans wanted Toriyama to answer fans questions and debates we had for years and they get mad about it when we finally got answers for them. At least Toriyama is not as bad as Todd Mcfarlane when it comes to retconning thing. Mcfarlane retcons things in the Spawn comic storyline to avoid getting sue while Toriyama does it because he most likely felt like that he could have improve on the past stories that he didn't do from 1984 - 1995 and he is also answer fan questions like who steal up Elder Kaioshin in the Z-sword or what is Buu's real origin.

[Chuquita]

Toriyama's battle with Yamamuro I felt was really interesting. I still wanted to see Yamamuro's early ssjg designs, even though I prefer the magenta fluff that we got.
But I like seeing early/unused designs for characters in general. I feel if they'd managed to save (rescue?) more of Toriyama's old unused designs (my guess is he just threw them out, seems like he'd be the type not to save that stuff) I so would buy a book that collected them.

I mean, how badly I would love to see what early and unused designs for Vegeta looked like. Or Trunks. I'm so curious about those things.

[fadeddreams5]

Toriyama's battle with Yamamuro I felt was really interesting. I still wanted to see Yamamuro's early ssjg designs, even though I prefer the magenta fluff that we got.
But I like seeing early/unused designs for characters in general. I feel if they'd managed to save (rescue?) more of Toriyama's old unused designs (my guess is he just threw them out, seems like he'd be the type not to save that stuff) I so would buy a book that collected them.

I mean, how badly I would love to see what early and unused designs for Vegeta looked like. or Trunks. I'm so curious about those things.

I wish we could see what the original BoG script more or less looked like. Oh, and lizard Beerus.

[Captain Space]

Yeah, I really like the SSJG that we got but I'm curious to see the sketches for the other version.

[lord turbo]

THIS! This is the minimum Toriyama could do. Mentions are always delightful.

You know his dad could coming back with him could offer something similar to Beerus and Whis. A lot of serious plot details and comical interactions as well, win win for everyone am I right

I find it the worst DB thing probably ever, the bad guy is easily one of my least favorite ever, the whole character plot induced retardism (stupidity is too kind of a word for it in this case) is higher than ever before, it constantly goes back and forth between who's winning.

I only agree with some of things you mentioned. I didn't care much for the Buu arc as it generally didn't feel like it had any strong direction to go anything which probably explains the all over the place feeling it has. Though I do like Buu, well his fat form in general. Not because he calls back to slapstick toilet humor early dragon ball, but the concept of Fat Buu was intriguing. Fat buu was literally an 8 year old child given near SSJ3 level who's ignorant about right and wrong and the world at large. So despite the fact the things he does is incredibly bad and most down right horrifying and F'ed up, he technically doesn't know better which is a sharp contrast to not only previous villains before him, but to the heroes as well. The only thing everyone saw this guy as was a bug that needed to be squashed immediately, even the high and mighty Z-senshi who think they know what's best handled the situation horribly. No one ever thought to treat this guy as a human being and simply talk to him and see what they can do to change this bad behavior which is why I thought Mr. Satan's character really shined.

He was nearly on the verge of saving the arc by being the first person to stop an antagonist with words, not with violence. it looked like it was heading in that direction which would have been a serious twist and didn't see that coming angle that I thought Toriyama would use, but its like fans in Japan complained or something and the plot was essentially snatched away by skinny Buu who literally comes out of left field without warning and battles Mr. Buu and absorbs him to become Super Buu who's essentially Vegeta 4.0 and rehashes the previous arc all over again. The wonderful Buu arc in my opinion took a serious nosedive in quality and returned to typical formula, Buu's identity vanished was replaced by those that came before him. The absorptions were literally there to keep a bad arc going and going, and going then Buu literally loses an y form of identity every. He becomes Kid Buu, a being devoid of any personality, a rabid dog that attacks anything on site and the Buu arc finally died to me which is funny since that is where it ended too, on a bad sour note. Do like the idea of Oob's reincarnation bit as that helps a little to redeem the last part of the Buu arc in someway.

Again, sorry for off topicness (At least it was battle power discussion this time, lol.

[Chuquita]

Toriyama's battle with Yamamuro I felt was really interesting. I still wanted to see Yamamuro's early ssjg designs, even though I prefer the magenta fluff that we got.
But I like seeing early/unused designs for characters in general. I feel if they'd managed to save (rescue?) more of Toriyama's old unused designs (my guess is he just threw them out, seems like he'd be the type not to save that stuff) I so would buy a book that collected them.

I mean, how badly I would love to see what early and unused designs for Vegeta looked like. or Trunks. I'm so curious about those things.

I wish we could see what the original BoG script more or less looked like. Oh, and lizard Beerus.

That is another thing I would pay money for.
I'd forgotten about lizard!Beerus; I can't believe I forgot!

Oh! And Kuririn and 18's wedding! So much stuff...

I'm already trying to think of how I can get a hold of the Fukkatsu no F script they're giving in that book to early preview screengoers. Not everything in a script is apparent on screen. My Japanese still isn't all that advanced, but if that script is written with the hiragana above the kanji like they do for most "all ages" stuff, I may be able to get by.

[Dyno]

You know his dad could coming back with him could offer something similar to Beerus and Whis. A lot of serious plot details ad comical interactions as well, win win for everyone am I right.

But this is what I want/expect. Some treatment/addition to the character is always good, then, I wouldn't have to read "King Cold appears only for about five minutes and didn't bring nothing to the series", for example. Character development, character being useful. I really hate how many amazing characters in Dragon Ball serve nothing... See King Vegeta, his only canonical appearance is him being shown humiliated by Bills, this is so pathetic. He didn't even make his way to the manga except another mention which also puts him down...

I swear If King Cold is mentioned in this new movie I will stand up in the middle of the cinema and * * loud.

[Captain Space]

Fair enough. I see your point now.

[Zelvin]

One thing I always thought when they first mentioned 12 universes and each has its own God of Destruction, was the 12 Zodiac beasts. It would almost make too much sense. Beerus is supposed to be a cat, but does look something like a rat. Could very well be the stand-in for the Tiger. Or maybe he really is the Cat who was supposed to be left out of the Zodiac and is meant to be replaced by Goku, who is a Saiyan "Monkey".

That could be the thing. And maybe Oolong is really the Legendary Super Swine. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDIXo9Vjx1M

[Kakarot9001]

If that's what you truly believe, then you your post did not come across as open to me. You may have intended differently, but that post doesn't come off as open opinionated. We've already said it's fine to like Linda Young, but there really is no arguing for accurate portrayal for her. We can pull out numerous ridiculous quotes and moments where that Freeza is silly and ridiculous, where there's deviations, etc.

You can prefer Ayres, I don't have anything wrong with that, I just don't agree... I feel that Linda Young was better than him. Can't you just accept my view?

King Cold has an amazing voice in Kai. Suuuuuch an improvement. Too bad it doesn't change the pointlessness of the character.

Can't agree more than that. I don't know even why King Cold exists in the series... He is totally disposable

Or just Toriyama's lack of improvement regarding to these characters. This new movie has everything to make King Cold a lot more useful, but with Toriyama in charge... Yeah, King Cold will keep his pointlessness.

What do you mean? Something like Cold being the main villain istead of Freeza? Well, that's could be good, I think... We had enough of Freeza, god damn

[Captain Space]

Guys. You both keep saying "I respect your view is different to mine". I'm pretty sure that means you're done.

[dbzfan7]

If that's what you truly believe, then you your post did not come across as open to me. You may have intended differently, but that post doesn't come off as open opinionated. We've already said it's fine to like Linda Young, but there really is no arguing for accurate portrayal for her. We can pull out numerous ridiculous quotes and moments where that Freeza is silly and ridiculous, where there's deviations, etc.

You can prefer Ayres, I don't have anything wrong with that, I just don't agree... I feel that Linda Young was better than him. Can't you just accept my view?

That's fine. What's wrong is calling Linda Youngs take accurate to Freeza's character. That is the problem people are having. We don't care if you like her more. We do care though if that performances is called accurate for the character of Freeza. That's factually the truth. I've already stated I like character voices like Kaio/King Kai which do not portray the character correctly. I admit Sean does not portray Kaio/King Kai like he should be portrayed. I like Kyle Hebert as the narrator even though in Z his tone was misused as some Monster Truck Jam voice.

Problem is you can't admit to liking something that is flat out wrong when it comes to character. I can admit to liking something that incorrectly portrays a character. Why can't you? I could make a whole new thread for this topic where numerous people can post why Linda Youngs portrayal of the character was completely unfitting for the role, and you'd probably still say it's completely accurate. We're arguing character accuracy, not just who's voice is more appealing.

[fadeddreams5]

Translation: Akira Toriyama created Frieza with the intention of him being more like Ayres' portrayal of the character. In other words, the aristocratic and sophisticated tone is how Frieza is meant to be portrayed (sadism included).

Linda Young's Frieza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

[FortuneSSJ]

-Blog 35 Days Left-

As eyewitnesses to history, everyone should enjoy to their heart’s content this first page of the Dragon Ball legend that starts here, so that it will continue on after Revival of “F” with another film next year, and another the year after that, on and on.

That's the point!
A movie each year is not a good idea, because it could be bad quality wise. But a new one each 2 years is.
As long Toriyama is motivated and this sells, they have my approval.