"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

This is just another example of AT really trying to destroy his own work. They really should have never brought him from retirement.

AT is not destroying his work. His work, the manga, remain unchanged in any way and still remains one of most well received, popular and influential of all time.

[Saiga]

Every Super Saiyan transformation goes through this. SSJ1 proved to only relevant for two major battles, Freeza and #19, once the #16, #17 and #18 were introduced, SSJ1 become so last season. Then SSJ2 was introduced, again, only proved to be relevant for a short space of time, then Majin Boo arrived and SSJ2 practically became useless. Hell, Gotenks skipped SSJ2, opting to go straight for SSJ3 instead. Then SSJ3 became old hat in the once Super Buu arrived and beyond.

That's not right at all. You missed Mecha Freeza, and that Super Saiyan became relevant again at the Cell Games, when Trunks returned to his future, and when Super Vegetto fought Boo.Super Saiyan 3 wasn't old hat after Super Boo, because Gotenks used it since then, and Goku used it against Pure Boo.

Super Saiyan 2 was the most underutilized form, and it was still much more important than Super Saiyan God.

[GoldLiger]

Every Super Saiyan transformation goes through this. SSJ1 proved to only relevant for two major battles, Freeza and #19, once the #16, #17 and #18 were introduced, SSJ1 become so last season. Then SSJ2 was introduced, again, only proved to be relevant for a short space of time, then Majin Boo arrived and SSJ2 practically became useless. Hell, Gotenks skipped SSJ2, opting to go straight for SSJ3 instead. Then SSJ3 became old hat in the once Super Buu arrived and beyond.

That's not right at all. You missed Mecha Freeza, and that Super Saiyan became relevant again at the Cell Games, when Trunks returned to his future, and when Super Vegetto fought Boo.Super Saiyan 3 wasn't old hat after Super Boo, because Gotenks used it since then, and Goku used it against Pure Boo.

Super Saiyan 2 was the most underutilized form, and it was still much more important than Super Saiyan God.

And with the advent of this movie it seems that Super Saiyan God will now be considered by many to be a one hit wonder(basically only having a single appearance in only one movie PERIOD).

[Lord Beerus]

Every Super Saiyan transformation goes through this. SSJ1 proved to only relevant for two major battles, Freeza and #19, once the #16, #17 and #18 were introduced, SSJ1 become so last season. Then SSJ2 was introduced, again, only proved to be relevant for a short space of time, then Majin Boo arrived and SSJ2 practically became useless. Hell, Gotenks skipped SSJ2, opting to go straight for SSJ3 instead. Then SSJ3 became old hat in the once Super Buu arrived and beyond.

That's not right at all. You missed Mecha Freeza, and that Super Saiyan became relevant again at the Cell Games, when Trunks returned to his future, and when Super Vegetto fought Boo.Super Saiyan 3 wasn't old hat after Super Boo, because Gotenks used it since then, and Goku used it against Pure Boo.

Super Saiyan 2 was the most underutilized form, and it was still much more important than Super Saiyan God.

I'll give you mecha Freeza and Future Trunks but Vegetto didn't need to become SSJ to kick Super Boo's ass, he could have done that in his base form. And did Gotenks and Goku get the job done as SSJ3's? No, they didn't. And that's the point I'm trying the make; how effective the SSJ transformations were when it was in the case of killing a main villain.

[Saiga]

There is absolutely no grounding for Vegetto not needing Super Saiyan. He used it, and he was extremely relevant.

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks/Goku didn't get the job done but they'd be completely fucked without it. That's relevant. The only reason they put up a fight was because of Super Saiyan 3. Whereas Super Saiyan God is completely unneeded right now.

How effective they are at killing the main villain really doesn't matter. Freeza was originally beaten by a generic ki blast, Vegeta had someone fall on him, Boo was defeated by the dumbest plan possible. You have to look at the bigger picture.

[BlazingBarrrager]

There is absolutely no grounding for Vegetto not needing Super Saiyan. He used it, and he was extremely relevant.

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks/Goku didn't get the job done but they'd be completely fucked without it. That's relevant. The only reason they put up a fight was because of Super Saiyan 3. Whereas Super Saiyan God is completely unneeded right now.

How effective they are at killing the main villain really doesn't matter. Freeza was originally beaten by a generic ki blast, Vegeta had someone fall on him, Boo was defeated by the dumbest plan possible. You have to look at the bigger picture.

Haha, I loved that statement. Best part? It was planned by Vegeta who, surprise surprise, was the one responsible for turning Super Buu back to Kid Buu.

[Dyno]

Just wanted to point out that I didn't get it why they were so lazy to make another character model for Super Saiyan 2 Bardock, when they did to another Evil Bardock with part of his mask broken. /

Hell, is it too hard to make Super Saiyan 2 hair and it is easy to break a mask by a little? Can't understand.

[dbzfan7]

There is absolutely no grounding for Vegetto not needing Super Saiyan. He used it, and he was extremely relevant.

Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks/Goku didn't get the job done but they'd be completely fucked without it. That's relevant. The only reason they put up a fight was because of Super Saiyan 3. Whereas Super Saiyan God is completely unneeded right now.

How effective they are at killing the main villain really doesn't matter. Freeza was originally beaten by a generic ki blast, Vegeta had someone fall on him, Boo was defeated by the dumbest plan possible. You have to look at the bigger picture.

Also even while SSJ forms slowly became not powerful enough to handle threats, they didn't suddenly disappear. SSJ God comes for 5 minutes and then for another second. Afterwards it's gone possibly forever. We coulda just had Goku remain with black hair the whole time and just have his ki be unreadable instead. Also drop the Super Saiyan God name too and have it be it's own thing.

[Darknat]

Abo and Kado gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOp_hpkAAz0

Also, Aka is in the game as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcozzqcKYh4

[Dyno]

Finally, the site got updated!

So, I'll put again the card (bigger and better) with that Kakarot "transformation" for someone who wants to translate it.

Spoiler:

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Been on vacation (still am technically), so glad things haven't come to a halt in my absence. Anyway, the transformation's name was already translated in the Revival of F thread as "A Saiyan who surpassed the Gods" or something like that. Honestly, that's about the only bit that needs to be translated too, because the rest won't tell you anything but game information...which isn't all that important to 99% of us?

BTW, that Ozaru "Masked Saiyan" better not be his transformation while wearing the mask (in-game it obviously is, but they don't follow the series 1:1). Bardock's mask blocks Bruits Waves in DBO, and he regains control of himself the moment the players break it. So it needs to be a Bardock that has taken the mask off and transformed, then been possessed again...not that they care. *Nerd rant.*

[GoldLiger]

Been on vacation (still am technically), so glad things haven't come to a halt in my absence. Anyway, the transformation's name was already translated in the Revival of F thread as "A Saiyan who surpassed the Gods" or something like that. Honestly, that's about the only bit that needs to be translated too, because the rest won't tell you anything but game information...which isn't all that important to 99% of us?

BTW, that Ozaru "Masked Saiyan" better not be his transformation while wearing the mask (in-game it obviously is, but they don't follow the series 1:1). Bardock's mask blocks Bruits Waves in DBO, and he regains control of himself the moment the players break it. So it needs to be a Bardock that has taken the mask off and transformed, then been possessed again...not that they care. *Nerd rant.*

They may take stuff from DBO but this is not DBO. What happened if you noticed that the actual control device(the green gem on Bardock/Ozaru Bardock) on his forehead is what is keeping him under Mira's total control. They have to break THAT in order to free him. Very simple answer you could have come up with TDC if you paid a little attention to the design.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So it needs to be a Bardock that has taken the mask off and transformed, then been possessed again...not that they care. *Nerd rant.*

It could be Bardock with the broken mask that transforms.

[Dyno]

BTW, that Ozaru "Masked Saiyan" better not be his transformation while wearing the mask (in-game it obviously is, but they don't follow the series 1:1). Bardock's mask blocks Bruits Waves in DBO, and he regains control of himself the moment the players break it. So it needs to be a Bardock that has taken the mask off and transformed, then been possessed again...not that they care. *Nerd rant.*

Then we just need a real name to that state/form, "Saiyan who surpassed God" is... meh.

Well, his mission works in "three steps":

1- You face Evil Bardock
2- You face Evil Bardock with part of his mask broken
3- You face Evil Bardock in Oozaru form.

I suppose after the second time, his mask breaks totally but it is off-screen. I think we will only see Evil Bardock with no mask in GDM2.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It could be Bardock with the broken mask that transforms.

Well, his mission works in "three steps":

1- You face Evil Bardock
2- You face Evil Bardock with part of his mask broken
3- You face Evil Bardock in Oozaru form.

I suppose after the second time, his mask breaks totally but it is off-screen. I think we will only see Evil Bardock with no mask in GDM2.

Yeah, I know how the mission works. I've caught up with the news. I'm presuming it's the broken mask version that transforms, and it was always obvious looking at the progression that they intended the jewel to remain and control him. It just doesn't make any sense using DBO logic. Sure, the rules doesn't have to be exactly the same, but almost everything in Xenoverse matches up perfectly with DBO's material (other than the possessions, but it could just be a different "spell" or whatever. Heroes on the other hand is apparently keeping the green jeweled possessions from DBO, but Heroes doesn't usually go into details on any of this crap. That's why people still fight over SS4 Broli logic. Anyway, I'm still going to apply DBO logic to things until something states otherwise (if they even do). It's not like Heroes has a ton of logic going on. xD

[miguelnuva1]

Every Super Saiyan transformation goes through this. SSJ1 proved to only relevant for two major battles, Freeza and #19, once the #16, #17 and #18 were introduced, SSJ1 become so last season. Then SSJ2 was introduced, again, only proved to be relevant for a short space of time, then Majin Boo arrived and SSJ2 practically became useless. Hell, Gotenks skipped SSJ2, opting to go straight for SSJ3 instead. Then SSJ3 became old hat in the once Super Buu arrived and beyond.

That's not right at all. You missed Mecha Freeza, and that Super Saiyan became relevant again at the Cell Games, when Trunks returned to his future, and when Super Vegetto fought Boo.Super Saiyan 3 wasn't old hat after Super Boo, because Gotenks used it since then, and Goku used it against Pure Boo.

Super Saiyan 2 was the most underutilized form, and it was still much more important than Super Saiyan God.

I'll give you mecha Freeza and Future Trunks but Vegetto didn't need to become SSJ to kick Super Boo's ass, he could have done that in his base form. And did Gotenks and Goku get the job done as SSJ3's? No, they didn't. And that's the point I'm trying the make; how effective the SSJ transformations were when it was in the case of killing a main villain.

Ssj3 was able to kill every villian it ever encountered but didn't sue to bad writing.

[GoldLiger]

Remember the green thing on Ozaru Bardock's forehead? That is the control device.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Wait, why are people calling this masked Bardock as "Evil Bardock"? Bardock was always evil, it's like calling Hakaio Broli as "Evil Broli"...

[Dyno]

Think that is how he is called in Dragon Ball Online. And not always, he redeemed himself when decided to go against Freeza.

And seriously... You couldn't have picked a worse example...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And not always, he redeemed himself when decided to go against Freeza.

By that logic, Hitler was a good guy because he was fighting for his country.

Bardock never regretted his actions, which are, multiple genocides for decades. Just because he fought for his planet doesn't make him a good guy.