Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Hugo Boss]

I'm not exactly in the position of demanding anything, but could you please continue this Toriyama's-control-over-his-franchise discussion in another thread? I've been skipping lots of pages trying to find news.

There will be news when we get them so don't worry.

The thing is: last time I saw this thread it was on page 769. Since the blog has a daily purpose I try to keep track everyday in hopes I find something interesting that the users comment. Then finding nothing new at all or seeing the same old discussion is frustrating. Granted, I read some great posts in the middle so it doesn't feel like a total waste of time. My idea is to pick those great posts here and elaborate their point somewhere else if people think it is worth to continue the discussion.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[GoldLiger]

When fresh news comes, it will undoubtedly become a feature discussion of the thread. The well is pretty dry right now, though. Having a discussion that ties in with the current movie in the meantime seems reasonable. It's not like we're discussing Kuririn's power level or something.

Which also is questionable since he has a family he doesn't have time to train unlike Tien and yet forgetful AT forgets that little fact when he states that Kuririn is the strongest human.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[GoldLiger]

I feel ya, dude, but for the love of god, don't add fuel to THAT fire. >.>;

LOL Okay, but to add fuel to another fire: "SUPER SAIYAN GOD FORM WILL NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE IN REVIVAL OF F". That is all.

[Doctor.]

I hope we see the successors of the Ginyu Force. Preferably with a little dance choreography too.

[Captain Space]

I'm still confused as to how a movie that was far better than any of the 13 Toei movies is apparently somehow damaging the original work.

I mean, at the end of the day even if you think it's the worst or whatever...the original manga and anime is still there.

Plus...did Bio-Broly doom the franchise? No. Did GT doom the franchise? No. Evolution? No. DB marches on regardless. So now that they're putting out entertaining, original stories that actually advance the plot (I mean admittedly GT also did that part), I...yeah, I really fail to see how that's worse.

[Doctor.]

I'm still confused as to how a movie that was far better than any of the 13 Toei movies is apparently somehow damaging the original work.

I mean, at the end of the day even if you think it's the worst or whatever...the original manga and anime is still there.

Plus...did Bio-Broly doom the franchise? No. Did GT doom the franchise? No. Evolution? No. DB marches on regardless. So now that they're putting out entertaining, original stories that actually advance the plot (I mean admittedly GT also did that part), I...yeah, I really fail to see how that's worse.

Exactly, the original 42 volume manga is still there and no matter what new material comes out, it's not going to delete what's already there in the first place.

[FortuneSSJ]

-FnF manga-
The second manga chapter from Toyble is around the corner.
Can't wait to get more plot info and see more beautiful art.

[GoldLiger]

I'm still confused as to how a movie that was far better than any of the 13 Toei movies is apparently somehow damaging the original work.

I mean, at the end of the day even if you think it's the worst or whatever...the original manga and anime is still there.

Plus...did Bio-Broly doom the franchise? No. Did GT doom the franchise? No. Evolution? No. DB marches on regardless. So now that they're putting out entertaining, original stories that actually advance the plot (I mean admittedly GT also did that part), I...yeah, I really fail to see how that's worse.

Exactly, the original 42 volume manga is still there and no matter what new material comes out, it's not going to delete what's already there in the first place.

It is called the magic of Retcon.

[baneofdemon22]

I'm late to the game, but just wanted to say that I'm super stoked for the new movie. While Battle of Gods wasn't the greatest, I thought it was way better than the Boo arc. I love everything they've revealed other than some of the Freeza stuff, so I have faith that it will be good!

[Doctor.]

I'm still confused as to how a movie that was far better than any of the 13 Toei movies is apparently somehow damaging the original work.

I mean, at the end of the day even if you think it's the worst or whatever...the original manga and anime is still there.

Plus...did Bio-Broly doom the franchise? No. Did GT doom the franchise? No. Evolution? No. DB marches on regardless. So now that they're putting out entertaining, original stories that actually advance the plot (I mean admittedly GT also did that part), I...yeah, I really fail to see how that's worse.

Exactly, the original 42 volume manga is still there and no matter what new material comes out, it's not going to delete what's already there in the first place.

It is called the magic of Retcon.

Retcons change the overall story but they don't change what's written in the manga. You can opt to ignore them if you so choose.

[Chuquita]

Re: ssjg Gokû

Unless Shueisha comes right out and says it's not in the movie, I'm holding out hope until the movie premiere. Not buying fan theory on it. If it turns out to not be in the movie, then that is that, but I won't take fan theory as fact.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[ArchedThunder]

Re: ssjg Gokû

Unless Shueisha comes right out and says it's not in the movie, I'm holding out hope until the movie premiere. Not buying fan theory on it. If it turns out to not be in the movie, then that is that, but I won't take fan theory as fact.

I thought a few weeks ago Toriyama said it would be pointless for Goku to use the form.

[TheGmGoken]

Re: ssjg Gokû

Unless Shueisha comes right out and says it's not in the movie, I'm holding out hope until the movie premiere. Not buying fan theory on it. If it turns out to not be in the movie, then that is that, but I won't take fan theory as fact.

Keep hope alive! Even though I'm not a fan of SSG. I admit to wanting to see Vegeta SSG.

[Chuquita]

Definitely keeping my hopes alive. Magenta lightning, after all. :3 People who don't want the form are going to try to convince that it won't be in it. I'm not going to believe them, I'm going to believe Shueisha. If Shueisha proves it's not there, fine, but I won't entertain fan theory negativity and capslock. I'm also not putting stock in Heroes cards, because I don't see them as reliable either. Ssj4 Brolli you know.

I really blame the secrecy about this movie for a lot of thread conflict. That and the fact that it's Freeza again instead of somebody new.

[Captain Space]

Battle of Gods was a capably handled mistake that ranks somewhere in the middle of Toei's movies. It suffers from a lack of direction, a clashing hodgepodge of elements and has an ostentatious disregard for everything that came before it. Super Saiyajin God in particular is a thoughtless creation that is doing more harm than good.

Revival of F looks like it's on course to take Dragonball in an even worse direction, helped in no small part due to being somewhat built off of Battle of Gods. What we need is a careful reexamination of everything that came before BoG and applying that material in a respectful manner to any future films, not writing haphazard nonsense that runs the risk of destroying the original manga ending and urinates all over Dragonball in general.

Well, if that's what you think, okay, but I saw BoG as a fun adventure with great new characters, and both humour and action that I really enjoyed.

Not sure what "harm" SSJG does, unless you're referring to a distaste for the 'pure-hearted saiyans' concept. Personally I found it interesting, though I will say DB Minus confused the issue by having apparently two relatively-good saiyans still alive. (And just generally Minus wasn't very good.)

[Kakarot9001]

I agree that Toriyama shouldn't necessarily have to worry about GT in his writing. But contradicting it completely could cause problems in selling the DVDs or other broadcast and licensing rights. Unlike the old movies as standalone stories, it was a direct sequel to the Z anime with a lengthy serialized story. GT is also a source of lots of unique merchandise material and video game content. If the franchise creator were to do something to discredit or contradict GT in a serious way, it could potentially have an impact on its marketability. Just look at all the debates about its canonicity we've had over the years, and the way people pick apart his Dragon Box quote, even before new content like the JSAT special started popping up.

So if nothing else, there are financial reasons for Toriyama to want to be respectful of GT's existence. But I suppose he's willing to retcon or alter concepts from his own manga chapters, so who knows if he'll really let it affect his creative vision.

Cannot agree more than that, Freeza new form is a strict contradiction to GT, Toriyama should have revised this.


About other topics in this thread:

I agree with earlier posts made by Saiga, Suupaa Gohan 2 and many others...

BoG was far from a movie that we all expected, I can't take its flaws, Vegeta dance, "Super Saiyan God" is one of the most pointless plot ever introduced to the series, its concept was took from TOEI Movies, (Everybody gives energy to Goku gain power to defeat the villain), a God above Vegetto (huge overpower) and etc.

But it was kind amusing, I guess... But I prefer way more Movie 13 and 9 than BoG for sure

RoF is failing to me by not introduce anything new and its story seems to some kind of fanfic written by Freeza or maybe Vegeta fanboys

[Captain Space]

I agree that Toriyama shouldn't necessarily have to worry about GT in his writing. But contradicting it completely could cause problems in selling the DVDs or other broadcast and licensing rights. Unlike the old movies as standalone stories, it was a direct sequel to the Z anime with a lengthy serialized story. GT is also a source of lots of unique merchandise material and video game content. If the franchise creator were to do something to discredit or contradict GT in a serious way, it could potentially have an impact on its marketability. Just look at all the debates about its canonicity we've had over the years, and the way people pick apart his Dragon Box quote, even before new content like the JSAT special started popping up.

So if nothing else, there are financial reasons for Toriyama to want to be respectful of GT's existence. But I suppose he's willing to retcon or alter concepts from his own manga chapters, so who knows if he'll really let it affect his creative vision.

Cannot agree more than that, Freeza new form is a strict contradiction to GT, Toriyama should have revised this.


About other topics in this thread:

I agree with earlier posts made by Saiga, Suupaa Gohan 2 and many others...

BoG was far from a movie that we all expected, I can't take its flaws, Vegeta dance, "Super Saiyan God" is one of the most pointless plot ever introduced to the series, its concept was took from TOEI Movies, (Everybody gives energy to Goku gain power to defeat the villain), a God above Vegetto (huge overpower) and etc.

But it was kind amusing, I guess... But I prefer way more Movie 13 and 9 than BoG for sure

RoF is failing to me by not introduce anything new and its story seems to some kind of fanfic written by Freeza or maybe Vegeta fanboys

Why does it matter if it contradicts GT? GT is a separate continuity.

Anyway, I don't see how being stronger than Vegetto is a problem. Every saga's main fighters are stronger than those from the previous one, and this is meant to be a continuation and not just a side-story, soooo...