Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[Tsufuru]

the movies where stated to take place between end of buu saga and EOZ.
akira toriyama even stated the manga chapters.
akira toriyama thought of the manga when he decided to make movies and when he wrote the script.
BoG and RoF do not have anything to do with other dbz movies and GT.
its irrelevant if you think anime is canon or not.

the movies are meant to fit in the Manga.period

cleary they wanted money so they probably told him make movies instead a short manga or something.

[Captain Space]

the movies where stated to take place between end of buu saga and EOZ.
akira toriyama even stated the manga chapters.
akira toriyama thought of the manga when he decided to make movies and when he wrote the script.
BoG and RoF do not have anything to do with other dbz movies and GT.
its irrelevant if you think anime is canon or not.

the movies are meant to fit in the Manga.period

cleary they wanted money so they probably told him make movies instead a short manga or something.

To address that last point, it's more that he isn't feeling up to drawing manga regularly anymore, and preferred to just be able to write and have other people animate it all for him...

[Tsufuru]

the movies where stated to take place between end of buu saga and EOZ.
akira toriyama even stated the manga chapters.
akira toriyama thought of the manga when he decided to make movies and when he wrote the script.
BoG and RoF do not have anything to do with other dbz movies and GT.
its irrelevant if you think anime is canon or not.

the movies are meant to fit in the Manga.period

cleary they wanted money so they probably told him make movies instead a short manga or something.

To address that last point, it's more that he isn't feeling up to drawing manga regularly anymore, and preferred to just be able to write and have other people animate it all for him...

ah yes, i compeltly forgot about that.

he was tired of drawing.

[SSJGFrieza]

But why is it a fact? Because Toriyama implies that it is, and some people choose to take is as fact? If that's what he was trying to say with that quote, then he needs to use more definitive language.

The way I see it, these are side stories that the author writes "as if" it were a continuation of the manga so that WE can decide on an individual basis whether it applies or not. Unless Toriyama suddenly decides to sit down and write an actual manga continuation, no one has to regard this new material as an essential continuation to the story "canon" or however it's called. The choice is up to us.

Dude just give it up, the movies are canon and continuations of the manga.

[bleed0range]

But why is it a fact? Because Toriyama implies that it is, and some people choose to take is as fact? If that's what he was trying to say with that quote, then he needs to use more definitive language.

The way I see it, these are side stories that the author writes "as if" it were a continuation of the manga so that WE can decide on an individual basis whether it applies or not. Unless Toriyama suddenly decides to sit down and write an actual manga continuation, no one has to regard this new material as an essential continuation to the story "canon" or however it's called. The choice is up to us.

The manga is likely never going to be picked back up into serialization. So if you continue the storyline you could only ever do it as if it were... because Toriyama certainly isn't up to doing an entire serialized series again. Having the author add to his own story... whether it is in animated form or manga... is still a continuation of that story. So yes, it is a fact because Toriyama says that it is. It takes quite a bit of twisting to twist his words into somehow meaning that these are side stories when he specifically states that things like GT are side stories and this is a continuation of his manga storyline.

In fact, I believe the scriptwriter for Battle of Gods even clarified that that movie was a continuation of the story between those chapters in the manga... and he pointed out GT was not part of the original story so it didn't count. With Toriyama further explaining he also sees GT as a side story it means that he too doesn't consider it part of the original storyline. This being a sequel to BOG just makes that point even more clear that this is a continuation of that story.

They advertise these movies based on the fact that the big selling point is Akira Toriyama's involvement and that it's a continuation of his story instead of something like a TOEI created movie or GT. That's the whole point to making a big deal out of it.

Now, you don't have to like all those things if you don't like the stories or the movies. But it's still true that they are Toriyama's continuation of the storyline from the manga.

[SaiyamanMS]

Just in case a slightly older Goten appear. Who voiced in him EoZ/DBGT(Funimation).

Adult Goten is played by Robert McCollum, other characters he's known for include Reiner Braun from Attack on Titan, Stiyl Magnus from A Certain Magical Index, Jellal and Mystogan from Fairy Tail, Doflamingo from One Piece and Sensui from YuYu Hakusho, among others.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[bleed0range]

If you want to produce new stories that are meant to be fully integrated as genuine continuations of the manga, then sit your ass down and draw some damned manga. Then nobody can argue with ya.

If you want to produce new stories whose "canon" status can be interpreted any which way, then write a script for an anime and make an ambiguous quote about how it was written "as if" it were a continuation of the manga.

I respect the viewpoint of the other side, I really do. So at this point I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. o_o

You're being way too literal and way too strict in regards to the wording of his quote to his intentions... and also to the idea that it cannot be a continuation of the manga story without literally being a drawn-out manga. A bit of common sense makes it fairly clear, you have to really consider things like...

What is the likelihood that the manga would ever continue? Like zero? Okay.
Why would Toriyama NOT write them from the perspective of continuing where he left off? He wouldn't?- He would probably write from wherever he left off in the story? Okay.
How old is Toriyama? Is he capable of physically meeting the demands of actually creating an entire new part of the manga? He's old but probably capable if he wanted to.
But does he want or need to? No. Okay then.
Did he go to the trouble of pointing out that it has any relation to his original work? Yes.
Then why would he do that if it weren't true? He wouldn't.

But yes, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

[kidhero1000]

If you want to produce new stories that are meant to be fully integrated as absolute extensions of the manga, then sit your ass down and draw some damned manga. Then nobody can argue with ya.

If you want to produce new stories whose "canon" status can be interpreted any which way, then write a script for an anime and make an ambiguous quote about how it was written "as if" it were a continuation of the manga.

I respect the viewpoint of the other side, I really do. So at this point I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. o_o

Indeed, he should lock himself in a room almost 24/7 story-boarding, drawing, stressing himself out to meet those editorial deadlines, and getting ill overworking himself like other Mangakas have just so you can finally consider it canon. Fucking ass.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[Big Momma]

But why is it a fact? Because Toriyama implies that it is, and some people choose to take is as fact? If that's what he was trying to say with that quote, then he needs to use more definitive language.

If you want to produce new stories whose "canon" status can be interpreted any which way, then write a script for an anime and make an ambiguous quote about how it was written "as if" it were a continuation of the manga.

Well, it's a quote translated from Japanese. So it could have connotations that don't necessarily carry over into English. And I doubt it's really that ambiguous. My Japanese isn't the best, and I'm not trying to go against Kei's awesome translation. But the quote from the interview is: マンガで連載していた時の続きのつもりで新ストーリーを考えました。 He uses "つもり", which I was taught can imply "intentions" and "plan to/are going to". And it comes off, to me at least, as a very concrete word. But I could be wrong, of course.

The way I see it, these are side stories that the author writes "as if" it were a continuation of the manga so that WE can decide on an individual basis whether it applies or not. Unless Toriyama suddenly decides to sit down and write an actual manga continuation, no one has to regard this new material as an essential continuation to the story "canon" or however it's called. The choice is up to us.

I can get behind that. It's not like I'm going to stack BoG and FnF up on my shelf with the manga volumes. And if you don't like them, you can separate them in your mind of course. But...at least as far as any official, published material...BoG and FnF will be included in official timelines. Right up there fitting in with the events of the manga.

But the people saying an Anime film can't be a continuation or an add on to a manga are being ridiculous. It's like saying you can't have a book sequel to a film. Or a comic book continuation of a television series (Which definitely happened with Avatar)

[Mewzard]

How old is Toriyama? Is he capable of physically meeting the demands of actually creating an entire new part of the manga? He's old but probably capable if he wanted to.

Actually, just doing Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (which was one volume long) was wrecking him. He couldn't handle an actual ongoing manga.

This is Toriyama's continuation of the manga, he's just doing it in movie form. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is happening. These are physical entities that Toriyama is writing for in his universe. Manga or not, they are set in the Dragon Ball Universe by Toriyama with his characters.

[jcogginsa]

How old is Toriyama? Is he capable of physically meeting the demands of actually creating an entire new part of the manga? He's old but probably capable if he wanted to.

Actually, just doing Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (which was one volume long) was wrecking him. He couldn't handle an actual ongoing manga.

This is Toriyama's continuation of the manga, he's just doing it in movie form. This isn't a matter of opinion, this is happening. These are physical entities that Toriyama is writing for in his universe. Manga or not, they are set in the Dragon Ball Universe by Toriyama with his characters.

To be fair, Toriyama apparently tried to pull the same schedule he used when writing the original series. Which meant Two hours of sleep and not starting until 2 days before it was due. A more sane schedule could probably let him do a short series.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not that I'm suggesting that Toriyama could or should start another actual series, but I would like to note that he apparently didn't have an assistant for Jaco and was doing everything himself. The work would at least be lessened to a degree if it were a proper serialization instead of a special short story.

[Kakarot9001]

He isn't. Not typically. And what you don't seem to be getting is that's the whole point. Both in terms of the gag and as a sign of development. He didn't do it because he wanted to. He didn't do it because he enjoyed it. He did it because he was in a pinch and it's the only thing he could think of that would distract Beerus.

how else should he entertain him? shooting random ki blast to the sky so it looks lile fireworks?

Yeah! That was a good idea, he could have done that... Anything would be better actually than that stupid dance.

But this is not the end of the buu arc, this is beyond that and after a life-changing character-changing realization from Vegeta's character. At this point he has changed enough to be that silly if it means saving the day. He didn't want to do the fusion dance either but he did it in Fusion Reborn. I know that's not manga-canon but it's an example of something he did that would be out of the norm for him even during the buu arc that fans were able to accept. The joke is that he begrudgingly did it... the ends justify the means.

Vegeta is NOT the same person he was in the Buu arc, the android arc, the freeza arc or the saiyan arc. In fact in each arc he changes a little more.

Well, you got a good point but... We didn't see how was the daily life of the Z-Senshi after Boo Arc, so yes we base our thoughts on them by their behavior at the end of the last Arc.

What? Continuation of the manga? This isn't a manga, it's an anime. Anime rules apply. Even ~~~TORIYAMA~~~ can't change the laws of physics.

"Continuation of the manga" really only works if you... continue the manga. Also good when you don't shit all over what you already wrote, although clearly that's not a requirement.

Besides, I doubt that these new movies are meant to be taken as "canon" the way people are obsessing over. Toriyama probably doesn't even know or care what canon is.

Signed

[Chuquita]

I still don't fully understand why he was curious enough to try to find out if "two hours of sleep a night" would still be feasible 20+ years later. I get challenging yourself, but getting that amount of sleep is gonna mess with you no matter what your age is. (I've found anything less than 4 hours will leave your mind beat up the next day.)

Segueing into, this may just be my exhausted mind wandering in an effort to try and relax, but they sure revealed what Golden Freeza looks like awful early compared to super saiyajin god form. We didn't get to see ssjg in all its magenta sparklyness until the March 2013 VJump issue. Outside of those who got to the early preview screenings of the film.

I'm leaning back towards "there has to be some kind of plot bombshell they're not telling us about yet" is what I mean. If Golden Freeza was the only plot-based shocker, wouldn't they have saved it for April's VJump the way they saved ssjg Gokû's?

[Retan]

I still don't fully understand why he was curious enough to try to find out if "two hours of sleep a night" would still be feasible 20+ years later. I get challenging yourself, but getting that amount of sleep is gonna mess with you no matter what your age is. (I've found anything less than 4 hours will leave your mind beat up the next day.)

Segueing into, this may just be my exhausted mind wandering in an effort to try and relax, but they sure revealed what Golden Freeza looks like awful early compared to super saiyajin god form. We didn't get to see ssjg in all its magenta sparklyness until the March 2013 VJump issue. Outside of those who got to the early preview screenings of the film.

I'm leaning back towards "there has to be some kind of plot bombshell they're not telling us about yet" is what I mean. If Golden Freeza was the only plot-based shocker, wouldn't they have saved it for April's VJump the way they saved ssjg Gokû's?

I have my doubts the shocker will have anything to do with a transformation, but I could definitely be wrong on that.

[Barunks]

I still don't fully understand why he was curious enough to try to find out if "two hours of sleep a night" would still be feasible 20+ years later. I get challenging yourself, but getting that amount of sleep is gonna mess with you no matter what your age is. (I've found anything less than 4 hours will leave your mind beat up the next day.)

Segueing into, this may just be my exhausted mind wandering in an effort to try and relax, but they sure revealed what Golden Freeza looks like awful early compared to super saiyajin god form. We didn't get to see ssjg in all its magenta sparklyness until the March 2013 VJump issue. Outside of those who got to the early preview screenings of the film.

I'm leaning back towards "there has to be some kind of plot bombshell they're not telling us about yet" is what I mean. If Golden Freeza was the only plot-based shocker, wouldn't they have saved it for April's VJump the way they saved ssjg Gokû's?

I have my doubts the shocker will have anything to do with a transformation, but I could definitely be wrong on that.

We still got nothing on Goten and Trunks yet so there just has to be some kind of twist involving them they don't want us to know. Either that or everyone working on this movie hates them.

[JamesOwnz]

Toriyama should write one chapter a month of a brief follow up post Uub.

Or better yet.. just drop a whole bunch of chapters off to his editor random one day.. and be like "peace"